Most powerful ship

[morrismike]

eemm. wrong wrong wrong. first, AOT showed that the oddy can take far more firepower than any basic 304.

second, why fight straight? if we fought straight, then we'd lost in s01e01.

now the firing while in a TDF thing wont work. but it does not have to. enveloping half the hive while it's moving will tear it to pieces. hell, if we amp up the dialation even when stationary the temporal movements will kill the hive.

then, though the shields are down when TDF is on, do it AFTER a salvo, you have long enough to envelop the hive. if you're smart, envelop the part that does not have the ZPM on it. power is disturbed, your half is powerless.


Atlantis got badly beaten cause it was 100m over the atmosphere on earth, its massive, and did not have the best operator. the odyssey has a good commander, proper power, is smaller, does not fly 100m over the atmosphere, and can move. now normally, hive do not miss. seeing the uberly slow bolts of the superhive, Oddy can evade. it has superior ROF with superior weapons. all you have to do is hit the IMPORTANT stuff and boom, superhive gone. seeing as an internal nuke can kill it, its not invincible. blow the dartbays to hell and actually get so close to the ship that you can fire inside and turn the thing inside out

Those superhive bolts are fired from ventral openings not turrets so the Odessey could exploit that weakness if it can survive long enough.

[Crazy Tom]

To go totally offtopic here..
Why do you think the others inferfered when Chaya destroyed the wraithfleet?
Her punishment for interfering the first time was that she was exiled to protect that planet forever.
If she however went to another planet and starting killing wraith she would've been drawn away instantly, just look at how quickly Daniel is drawn away by the others when he tries to attack Anubis.

No, the others allowed her to protect her people, but only her people thus she could kill any wraith that threatened her planet, but was hopeless to stop them anywhere else in the galaxy.

[MathiasE]

No, the others allowed her to protect her people, but only her people thus she could kill any wraith that threatened her planet, but was hopeless to stop them anywhere else in the galaxy.

Isn't that what i just said? =)

[Crazy Tom]

To go totally offtopic here..
Why do you think the others inferfered when Chaya destroyed the wraithfleet?
Her punishment for interfering the first time was that she was exiled to protect that planet forever.
If she however went to another planet and starting killing wraith she would've been drawn away instantly, just look at how quickly Daniel is drawn away by the others when he tries to attack Anubis.

Isn't that what i just said? =)

There seemed to be some contradiction.

[MathiasE]

There seemed to be some contradiction.

Well that was what I meant to say, might've written it with some poor grammar and punctuation

[Buba uognarf]

eemm. wrong wrong wrong. first, AOT showed that the oddy can take far more firepower than any basic 304.

An Unending showed differently, and regardless AOT still puts the Odyssesy way bellow Atlantis shield strength even with one ZPM. A couple hundred Ori beam hits (if it was that many) does not equal 10's of thousands of Wraith weapon impacts. Therefore Atlantis shield is far superior, therefore the Odyssesy would be wiped out in short order, therefore you are the one who as you so elequently put is wrong wrong wrong.

second, why fight straight? if we fought straight, then we'd lost in s01e01.

A topic about the most powerful ship is about just that which one is the most powerful. If you have to use TDF etc...to win then you're obviously not the most powerful ship.

now the firing while in a TDF thing wont work. but it does not have to. enveloping half the hive while it's moving will tear it to pieces. hell, if we amp up the dialation even when stationary the temporal movements will kill the hive.

then, though the shields are down when TDF is on, do it AFTER a salvo, you have long enough to envelop the hive. if you're smart, envelop the part that does not have the ZPM on it. power is disturbed, your half is powerless.

You forget, the Odyssesy has to get close to do your plan and which point it will be getting spammed by Superhive bolts some of which may be inside the time dilation field.

The Odyssesy has to be lucky, and I still don't see how its going to survive when the Superhive goes up in flames with no shields. Who's to say the field will even rip the Hive apart? The Ori beam was getting along just fine inching closer and closer without getting torn apart, why would the Superhive get destroyed.

Atlantis got badly beaten cause it was 100m over the atmosphere on earth, its massive, and did not have the best operator. the odyssey has a good commander, proper power, is smaller, does not fly 100m over the atmosphere, and can move. now normally, hive do not miss. seeing the uberly slow bolts of the superhive, Oddy can evade. it has superior ROF with superior weapons. all you have to do is hit the IMPORTANT stuff and boom, superhive gone. seeing as an internal nuke can kill it, its not invincible. blow the dartbays to hell and actually get so close to the ship that you can fire inside and turn the thing inside out

The Odyssesy would be dead before it did that, the Superhive against Atlantis fired dozens of bolts a second the Odyssesy would be obliterated before it could do any serious damage.

Besides Atlantis could take out the Odyssesy anyway, and the Superhive beat Atlantis so...

Superhive > Atlantis > Odyssesy.

[Giantevilhead]

Actually the TDF would be completely useless in a fight for this reason, it replaces the shields. As soon as the TDF goes down whatever weapons were heading towards it when it was activate would hit bypassing the shields destroying the ship.

We don't know if the Asgard beams could even fire through a time dilation field, the Odyssesy would also have the activate the field while facing the enemy ship so it could aim.

We saw the Odyssesy was for some reason forced to stay still inside the field, it couldn't even more out of the way. Who's to say it could fire?

If we want to go down this road Atlantis has an Ascention device, grab a few volenteers ascend them then they can erase the Odyssesy.

When did they ever say that the time dilation field replaces the shields?

They can move the ship around and fire weapons while in the time dilation field. In "Ripple Effect," Kvasir gave SG-1 a time dilation device to overcome the time slowing effects of the black hole. If they couldn't move or fire weapons in the time dilation field then their whole plan would have been pointless.

[thekillman]

The Odyssesy would be dead before it did that, the Superhive against Atlantis fired dozens of bolts a second the Odyssesy would be obliterated before it could do any serious damage.

oh yes, i remember.

"we cant take annother hit"

* several dozen seconds pass by*

*superhive blows*

A topic about the most powerful ship is about just that which one is the most powerful. If you have to use TDF etc...to win then you're obviously not the most powerful ship.

if earth is in ruins and atlantis kills the superhive, then what? land and rebuild from scratch? the oddy could just matterconvert skyscraper by skyscraper and you have a city in no-time. power can be measured in many ways. seeing what the oddy's got, its way more powerfull than atlantis in many more fashions than atlantis is more powerfull than the oddy.

knowledge is power. oddy got a bunch of knowledge and can utilize that knowledge. atlantis has a bunch of knowledge and cant utilize it the way the oddy can.

the TDF can get them out of any situation.

atlantis VS oddy. oddy builds a replicator projectile to puncture through the former's shield and tadaa, former is gone. a trick nanites can not do.


buba, what do you think happens when half of a 11km ship stands still, trapped by time, while the other half continues? besides, there are two forms of TDF: permeable (asgard) and impermeable (ancient). judging episodes, the ancient version was made to be impermeable while the asgard needed a permeable.

assuming the TDF is an actual field and not a fancy shield, the ori beam would already be partially within the field and therefore not be affected by insane temporal distortion. besides, theres a difference between some plasma trying to travel through and an actual object. mainly because even if plasma scatters it still does damage. seeing as the superhive is very much solid it would hurt alot.


buba, not using gifted powers is equal to not having them. again, if we always fought fair we would've lost in the first episode. we dont fight fair.

[Mclean]

i still laugh about the fact that wraith with 1 zpm can do more than ancients with three.

If Atlantis was fully stocked with drones and a fully trained Lantean was in the chair do you think the battle would have been so one sided? I doubt it. As Atlantis was in the control of a human with the ATA gene it does represent a poor showing (as the Superhive was piloted by the Wraith).

[lordofseas]

Where did it say that the Superhive only had 1 ZPM?

[boyd18]

Yes but Atlantis didn't even come close to destroying it, the drones were causing explosions as big as the Deadalus' APBW hole anyway. The Odyssesy wouldn't last long enough, Atlantis shields are far superior to the Odyssesy's and the superhive took them down in minutes. The Odyssesy would be dead in a couple of salvo's (seeing as each salvo in the final battle was dozens of shots).

yes Atlantis has superior shields, but you're not factoring in the situation Atlantis was in...Atlantis is old, very old nad its being controled by humans that dont fully understand it...since being in human hands, the city has suffered alot of damamge, much of which either hasn't been repaired or been repaired correctly...Beckett was also in the control chair, and although he can use the chair, hes not as advanced as sheppard in terms of being able to use it with ease...

and although the city had 3 ZPM's, they also used the hyper drive up until it reached the edge of our galaxy and then used the wormhole drive from there....from what we were told, the wormhole drive required alot of energy...so who knows what condition the ZPM were in when atlantis reached earth....once at earth, the cities shields were being drained by both the atmosphere and the superhive bombardment while Beckett was fighting to keep the city in space and fire drones...during all this, the stardrive which also required alot of power was probably working overtime just trying to keep the city in space....

on the surface of a planet, the cities shield can hold off wraith bombardment for months or even years given theres enough ZPM's...but on the suface of a planet, unlike space the star drive isn't activated, theres no need for life support and hundreds of other system that dont need to be activated while sitting on the surface of a planet...

sure, atlantis may have a very powerful shield, drones, a star and hyperdrive but i doubt it was ever intended to be a battleship...

as for the Odyssesy, no one can say for sure how well it would do against the superhive....just because the superhive plowed through the Daedalus, you cant use that as basis for how well the Odyssesy would do..you also have to remember that the Daedalus was providing cover for the jumper, so it had to sit there and take the hits...also since we didn't see the battle with the Sun-Tzu and Apollo, we have no idea what went on in that battle...

what we do know is, the ZPM dramatically increased the Odyssesy's shield compared to a normal 304's..from what we've seen, the plasma beam weapons on the Odyssesy seem to fire faster then on a normal 304...whether or not thats do to the ZPM or having more of them install...we also dont know whether or not having a ZPM increases the plasma weapons power...the Odyssesy also seems to be more manuverable then a normal 304 which would be an advantage when facing something as big as the superhive...

the point is, there are way to many unknowns to say for sure which 1 would win....theres the possibility that you could be right and the Odyssesy would get its butt kicked...but with its shield strength its also possible it would last long enough to severely or even destroy the hive....

[Dragon_Heart]

Killman has a point with the TDF. We have seen it used, but never seen it used to destroy a ship, so we cannot use it as a weapon killman, no matter how much evidence you put forward it never happened in the show.

We go by what hapened in the show, ship vs. ship fights.

[Giantevilhead]

We know that a ship inside a time dilation field can fire weapons. That was their plan to seal the singularity in "Ripple Effect" to prevent more SG teams from getting into their universe.

[thekillman]

Killman has a point with the TDF. We have seen it used, but never seen it used to destroy a ship, so we cannot use it as a weapon killman, no matter how much evidence you put forward it never happened in the show.

yes we can use it as a weapon, only not by firing dozens of shots then dropping the field.

we know from Epiphany that the temporal effects destroy anything that touches the TDF. asgard had refined it to the point where it did not happen. clearly, by removing those safeguards, the superhive would be torn apart. and even if it's not. as i said, envelop half the superhive in the TDF. the other half stays out. now, if it moves even at 1m/s, the thing will be torn in half as one half is immovable (due to temporal effects) and one half continues moving. boom, superhive gone.

[Dragon_Heart]

yes we can use it as a weapon, only not by firing dozens of shots then dropping the field.

we know from Epiphany that the temporal effects destroy anything that touches the TDF. asgard had refined it to the point where it did not happen. clearly, by removing those safeguards, the superhive would be torn apart. and even if it's not. as i said, envelop half the superhive in the TDF. the other half stays out. now, if it moves even at 1m/s, the thing will be torn in half as one half is immovable (due to temporal effects) and one half continues moving. boom, superhive gone.

Never used like this in the show, so im not sure. If we use this, it just means the oddy beats every ship in existence, and if they couldve used it in the show like that im sure they would have in battles but they didnt, so its not gogin to be included.