SG universe vs Species 8472 had to be done

[MacTX]

1. Odd isn't it?

Ya, extremely. Although character shield always seem to work as an excuse in most of the “odd” things in Stargate.

2. Break down matter to a microscopic level (walls melthing), then do soemhting to those parts, kiron pathways or soemehting.

elaborate please…

3. By lack of energy, not cosmic rays.

“He’s been floating in space for over a month now. Existing in such a harsh environment, direct solar radiation has severely diminished his power levels. We’re fairly certain he’s almost completely incapacitated”
-Dr. Beckett; The Return Pt 2

4. I meant it's not known either way, They prefer tougher materals that's why, and they replicated out of teh material on a russian sub. And their purpose is also to seek out higly advanced technology, hence even if they did not replicate teh biologicla structure of 8472 constructs they would still gain an understanding of the technology and a) devise a countermeasure b) apply that understanding in betering their own inorganic components.

You’re right it’s not known, but in this vs. scenario I’m using (from both sides) what has been established of the two sides. If I was to add theoretical abilities to 8472 that the writers haven’t established, it wouldn’t be a fair fight. Biological hybrid isn’t part of the replicator’s modus operates. The blocks are strictly following Reeces original order while the human form has no interest in organics.

5. I am of couse speakign of MW replis here. Now let's examine that. The Replis need an nervous system in order to take over the host, 8472 ships do have one as staded on screen, they use it as we use computers, so a few carefuly aplied blocks and the Repli's win.

Except it’s not clear proof that replicator blocks can do that with 8472. They are biologically far superior to humans.

Spoiler:

the AOT puppet wasn’t a clear example either as the body of that “drone” had blocks implanted throughout his body coordinating its movements. It’s not as simple as stick a few blocks into the spine and having full control of the body.

7. Not that bad all the time, mostly when the plot dictates it.

same with 8472. Voyager would have been toast if not for it.

8. Kinetic Energy Weapon. ANd no they are not imune, And whiel wevenever seen staff blasts or zat blast fired back(i don't think the replis have the mechanisms for doing either) all energy weapons are completly inefective againt them, or at least any handheld energy weapons. ANd that energy has to go somwehre if they don't melt.

Drones are not entirely Kinetic. They’re both physical and energy much like a photon torpedoes, just more sophisticated as far as versatility and targeting. The ship wasn’t even phased by the torpedoes voyager fired at it; it took the nanoprobes doing their thing to destroy it.

You were the one who suggested the reuse of energy fired at them theory. If you don’t think they have the mechanism for such a function why suggest it at all?

[Crazy Tom]

2. they break down matter to a microscopic level then rearange it, obviously in a very complcatee manner. a few million kiron pathways won't fir unless your making them on a molecular scale.

3. point taken, htrough then he would have to be exerting some kind of defencseive countemeaasure.

4. OK, even if they don't chose to take hybrid sthen the still gain an understanding of the technology and a) devise a countermeasure b) apply that understanding in betering their own inorganic components.

5. I don't think it makes a diferance, if theres a nervous system then it can be infiltrated and if not kighjaced then it's databse downloaded(as in AOT)

6. point taken

7. ok, 8472 is organic, like hives but much otugher. so what? if it gets swarmed by drones it's still toast.

8. Time dialation

[MacTX]

WE ARE USING MW REPLICATORS!

And stop thinking that just becasue tech is biological it's beyond understanding. The replicators have proven very adaptble.

Master plan:

Give the replicators a few drones, and watch them mass rpoduce them, now we have an weapon without countermeasure, 8472 don't have shield, and i don't care how touch they are, enrgy blasts may disipate, but drones are old fasioned(relatively speakign of course[IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/PFAFE%7E1.LUA/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]) explosives. All they have to do is swarm the bioships.

I do consider MW replicators (as well as human form).

The replicators have proven very adaptable to mechanical technology. It’s like pitting a prior up against a replicator for the first time and expecting the replicator to duplicate the prior abilities. It’s a hard sell.

Drones aren’t exactly be all end all weapons that a lot of people make them out to be. Two powerful races (ancients and asurans) have fallen despite having these drone weapons and at the rate the writers are rewriting the specs, by the time the series is over, they’ll be nothing left of their power. Individually, the damage abilities of these things aren’t that great, and they were even more painfully kicked down a peg in BAMSR. It takes large swarms of these things to do real damage especially to something as resilient as the bioship. A drone fired at the ship would probably result in most of the energy released by the drone being dissipated leaving a tiny bit of energy and the impact force. That’s not a lot and it’ll take quite a bit of drones to take out one of those ships at that rate. Not a very efficient way to fight such a hostile force.

[MacTX]

Ultimate Reason Why Replicators Own 8472

-time dialation

If they are being defeated all they do is go to a planet, turn on the TDD, and come back to the battle a few seconds after with a hundred brand new warships. The ability to manipulate time within a spacific region of space is quite literaly the ultimate weapon. Their ships could turn it on mid battel and make repairs, Entire fleets could be generated in teh blink of an eye, someone lese come up with somehing....

edit: and take all teh tiem in the world to study 8472 tech and figure out how it works in order to turn it against them.

Except they’re still limited to the raw materials they have within that dilation field. If 8472 are on a conquest mission there really won’t be many planets left.

[Crazy Tom]

I do consider MW replicators (as well as human form).

The replicators have proven very adaptable to mechanical technology. It’s like pitting a prior up against a replicator for the first time and expecting the replicator to duplicate the prior abilities. It’s a hard sell.

Drones aren’t exactly be all end all weapons that a lot of people make them out to be. Two powerful races (ancients and asurans) have fallen despite having these drone weapons and at the rate the writers are rewriting the specs, by the time the series is over, they’ll be nothing left of their power. Individually, the damage abilities of these things aren’t that great, and they were even more painfully kicked down a peg in BAMSR. It takes large swarms of these things to do real damage especially to something as resilient as the bioship. A drone fired at the ship would probably result in most of the energy released by the drone being dissipated leaving a tiny bit of energy and the impact force. That’s not a lot and it’ll take quite a bit of drones to take out one of those ships at that rate. Not a very efficient way to fight such a hostile force.

THEy don't have to, just burrow into the ship and exploode after.

Except they’re still limited to the raw materials they have within that dilation field. If 8472 are on a conquest mission there really won’t be many planets left.

Meh, who needs planets, asteroid belts are easier to work with.

[MacTX]

2. they break down matter to a microscopic level then rearange it, obviously in a very complcatee manner. a few million kiron pathways won't fir unless your making them on a molecular scale.

But how does this apply to organic liquid of fluid space? You break it down into its microscopic level and rebuild it into organic liquid blocks….? How exactly does that help the replicators? It’s not solid matter like alloys remember.

4. OK, even if they don't chose to take hybrid sthen the still gain an understanding of the technology and a) devise a countermeasure b) apply that understanding in betering their own inorganic components.

It still brings me back to the whole Prior example I used above. It would make no difference unless they can hybrid it into their own.

5. I don't think it makes a diferance, if theres a nervous system then it can be infiltrated and if not kighjaced then it's databse downloaded(as in AOT)

Both easier said than done. it was the nanites that had the ability to "download" from the human brain. no telling how successful it would be against a being like 8472 who are in every way far superior to humans.

7. ok, 8472 is organic, like hives but much otugher. so what? if it gets swarmed by drones it's still toast.

And we saw how great drones were against hives in BAMSR didn’t we….

8. Time dialation

run and hide eh. still doesn't defeat the limited supply problem though.

[MacTX]

THEy don't have to, just burrow into the ship and exploode after.

How exactly would that work? The drones fired at the hives detonated on hull impact. You would need hundreds of drones working in concert (Lost City and No Man’s Land style) to do what you’re proposing. And with drones being physical devices you would run out of drones long before 8472 run out of ships or they would destroy the drone launchers (ships) before you took out enough of them. They’re not going to all sit there while you blow up their ships one after the other. 8472 is extremely aggressive.

[Crazy Tom]

Actualy forget about drones. Their not required.

Master plan:

-replicatos are alowed to completly strip a few dozen planets of usable materials, not just neutronium, weaker materials will work fine for this.

-they use the said matter to create millions of small hyperspace capabel ships,just a hyperdrive, powersource, and engine.

-we know for a fact that ships in the SG verse are capabel of high C speeds(6c for the promie)

-so the replicator warships jump a bit outside a concentration of 8472 warhsips. they start max acceleration up to max speed and coast in, a few hundred are taken out before they reach teir target but a few thousand more contact. now by contact i mean hiting the oponent with enough force to send teh earth's biosphere into catastrophic failiure a few time over.

-no bloody ship no matter how advanced, will survive that without powerful shields. And 8472 only disipate DEW atacks.

[Mister Oragahn]

Just for the record, if you want more information about all sides involved here, you can always get into that seven pages long thread.

It covers many points, like the toughness of replicators, how fast they assimilate tech, or how their subspace transmissions are so beyond anything the Borg put up, in terms of distances, which translate into power through subspace, that any Borg jamming would be ignored.
On the same token, it shows that only a mind like Daniel, thanks to his special status, was able to block replicators galaxy wide for a brief time, while the replicators distracted their resources towards the assimilation of immense knowledge.
This and many other elements, notably the estimation of a Cube's toughness based on events of First Contact (that's towards page 6 I believe), which show that even a Cube is literally outclassed, and at best, could only hope fragmenting replicator ships, before the drones from that ship would latch onto a Cube's hull and begin their work.

[Mister Oragahn]

Who says 8472 don't use shields? Their firepower makes every weapon in SG look like crap. They'd be blowing replicator ships apart very easily. The only thing that could save the replicators is the fact that they could keep disappearing and replicating. Not sure how 8472 would counter that...

They're very powerful, but quantifying them is difficult. Not only have they that sorf of ambient cheat code that makes them uber until some technobabble counters their buff, but the time they've been most impressive, that is, blasting Borg cubes in no time, happened as well with UFP's first contact in "Q Who?", with the sole difference that the Enterprise didn't have the firepower to destroy a cube in its entirety. Yes, it still dug good sized holes with its phasers.

S8472 aliens use a mix of pure energy and chain reactions for their most powerful weapons. Like the planet busters.

8472 are completely alien, its optimistic to assume the replicators could control one. Very optimistic.

Huh, just why couldn't they? For creatures living in fluidic space, they come quite close to humanoid forms. Forms of nerves, biological energy conduits, nothing extremely fancy here.
Considering the adaptation of replicators against all odds, and the technologies they're surpassed and even reworked beyond the understanding of their respective creators, I wouldn't be so dismissive of the bugs' ability to control a 8472 specimen.
Even if they don't control the specimen, they can still study the ships.

First, the raw materials. Yummy. We're talking about replicators which have reached such a point where they can dissassemble neutronium to shape it to form T-1000s on god mode. Replicators can even easily bypass shields at that point, and completely elude internal sensors.
They, of course, totally block beaming against themselves, and can beam through shields.

Again, how will S8472 even be able to stop the replicators from eating more and more?
How could their ships be stopped when it took a cohesive effort of an asgard fleet to destroy one while its shields were down?
Again, firepower:
Mere ha'taks from season 1 have been given a firepower, per cannon, which outclasses standardized UFP weaponry, especially by the time of First Contact.
Old asgard ships assraped those ha'taks.
New asgard ships totally outclass the older ones.
Only a special context, with favourable conditions, gave the Asgards the opportunity to destroy a single replicator ship which escaped from a black hole, and that didn't even destroy the replicators, nor the reploid.

The replicators will likely take casualties, but it's just a matter of time before they work around what S8472 has best to bring to the table.

If assimilation is not possible, mere numbers will always outclass S8472.

[MacTX]

-we know for a fact that ships in the SG verse are capabel of high C speeds(6c for the promie)


-so the replicator warships jump a bit outside a concentration of 8472 warhsips. they start max acceleration up to max speed and coast in, a few hundred are taken out before they reach teir target but a few thousand more contact. now by contact i mean hiting the oponent with enough force to send teh earth's biosphere into catastrophic failiure a few time over.

most ships can't approach c in normal space and there's no way the promie is capable of 6c in normal space. remember that the zpm powered aurora only was able to get to .9 c.

Max speed would still be well below light speed in normal space otherwise they would encounter severe time dilation effects as they approach closer to light sleep and since the replicators don’t have warp technology, there’s a limit to how fast they can travel in normal space. Replicators might be timeless but they're still not immune to the effects of time dilation.

[MacTX]

Just for the record, if you want more information about all sides involved here, you can always get into that seven pages long thread.

It covers many points, like the toughness of replicators, how fast they assimilate tech, or how their subspace transmissions are so beyond anything the Borg put up, in terms of distances, which translate into power through subspace, that any Borg jamming would be ignored.
On the same token, it shows that only a mind like Daniel, thanks to his special status, was able to block replicators galaxy wide for a brief time, while the replicators distracted their resources towards the assimilation of immense knowledge.
This and many other elements, notably the estimation of a Cube's toughness based on events of First Contact (that's towards page 6 I believe), which show that even a Cube is literally outclassed, and at best, could only hope fragmenting replicator ships, before the drones from that ship would latch onto a Cube's hull and begin their work.

no offense but was this suppose to be for the SG vs. Borg thread and not SG vs 8472 (which is this thread)...

[MacTX]

Huh, just why couldn't they? For creatures living in fluidic space, they come quite close to humanoid forms. Forms of nerves, biological energy conduits, nothing extremely fancy here.
Considering the adaptation of replicators against all odds, and the technologies they're surpassed and even reworked beyond the understanding of their respective creators, I wouldn't be so dismissive of the bugs' ability to control a 8472 specimen.
Even if they don't control the specimen, they can still study the ships.

They’re not as extreme as a being made of pure energy but they’re far from normal humanoids.

Spoiler:

the blocks control of a normal humanoid in AOT wasn’t that impressive as it needed blocks through the body, that’s essentially a human puppet and this is a relatively primitive creature.

If it comes down to 8472 being able to destroy the replicator ships and planets vs. the replicators being able to understand and incorporate 8472 biotech, I’m going to have to give it to 8472. Replicators have shown their lack of understanding of the biological realm in the past and something so much more advanced in 8472 is going to give them a huge hurdle. They are biologically advanced, and extremely intelligent. They would have to be to get to where they are. They’re almost like what the ancients would have evolved to if ascension didn’t exist (obviously in the term of technology/biology development sense and not actually looks). For me it comes down to how successful RepliCarter was against Daniel and Uberoth was against Weir. Character shield aside, that should not have been allowed to happen. They have no problem with pure technology, but biology is still a huge handicap for them.

First, the raw materials. Yummy. We're talking about replicators which have reached such a point where they can dissassemble neutronium to shape it to form T-1000s on god mode. Replicators can even easily bypass shields at that point, and completely elude internal sensors.
They, of course, totally block beaming against themselves, and can beam through shields.

I’m not sure I follow your sentiment. The ability to reshape alloys to what they want is nothing spectacular as any advanced race is able to do that. They elude internal sensors by disabling it where as 8472 is naturally able to do this. 8472 are able to bypass shields, it passed through voyager shields and boarded the ship without being detected in one of the episodes. The only time I remember replicators bypassing shields was in the form of that replicator missile fired at Thor’s science vessel. The spiders themselves weren’t able to get through apophis’ personal shield nor was that human form replicator able to bypass the shield confinement the wraith put him in. I know the human form was able to block Thor from beaming him into space. As far as we know, 8472 doesn’t use beaming tech and I’m not sure how relevant this is in the vs. scenario.

Again, how will S8472 even be able to stop the replicators from eating more and more?
How could their ships be stopped when it took a cohesive effort of an asgard fleet to destroy one while its shields were down?
Again, firepower:
Mere ha'taks from season 1 have been given a firepower, per cannon, which outclasses standardized UFP weaponry, especially by the time of First Contact.
Old asgard ships assraped those ha'taks.
New asgard ships totally outclass the older ones.
Only a special context, with favourable conditions, gave the Asgards the opportunity to destroy a single replicator ship which escaped from a black hole, and that didn't even destroy the replicators, nor the reploid.

They wouldn’t be able to stop the replicators from consuming the MW raw materials but there is still a finite amount of alloys that exist which would be further reduced as 8472’s invasion force went around destroying planets. We’re not talking about months of war here… if 8472 attacked as ferociously as they did with the Borg, the replicators wouldn’t have long to “grow in numbers.” Despite their replication and efficiencies it still takes them time to consume new raw materials and replicate while at the same time facing 8472’s assault force.

I’m not going to discuss UFP firepower vs Gould firepower specifics here since that is highly debatable depending on what source you use. although it should be noted that UFP weapons and defensive development is faster than that of the Gould. their technology is changing on a regular basis as changing threats arise while the Gould development is rather slow. No race in SG shows weapons near that of 8472. Being able to destroy planets at will and in a relatively short time is impressive.

The replicators will likely take casualties, but it's just a matter of time before they work around what S8472 has best to bring to the table.

If assimilation is not possible, mere numbers will always outclass S8472.

Let’s also not forget that 8472 is tactically intelligent. replicator block tactics are based around raw material consumption, and asuran tactics are somewhat lacking as of late. In one of the Voyager episodes they recreated Starfleet headquarters to study this enemy that has helped the Borg defeat them. Although we (as the viewer) know that the federation doesn’t stand a chance against them, they still don’t go into things blindly. The replicators may be able to study the race but so will 8472 be able to study the races of SG. When they come knocking, they’re going to be prepared.

Numbers alone aren’t going to help the replicators, especially if that number relies on resources. They were at war with the Asgard for years and still didn’t manage much in terms of numbers. 8472 isn’t as docile and far more capable than the asgard.

[Mister Oragahn]

They’re not as extreme as a being made of pure energy but they’re far from normal humanoids.

Spoiler:

the blocks control of a normal humanoid in AOT wasn’t that impressive as it needed blocks through the body, that’s essentially a human puppet and this is a relatively primitive creature.

The human brain is not primitive. Admitedly, he wasn't very talkative, but when you look at his behaviour, it wasn't much different than this silent asuran the Wraith kept captive for study.
That said, it didn't appear more zombie than any Borg drone.

If it comes down to 8472 being able to destroy the replicator ships and planets vs. the replicators being able to understand and incorporate 8472 biotech, I’m going to have to give it to 8472. Replicators have shown their lack of understanding of the biological realm in the past and something so much more advanced in 8472 is going to give them a huge hurdle.

A... "lack of understanding of the biological realm"? since when? Their verry first great leap of evolution, ten of thousand years ago, after their genesis, was to mimic their creators on all points. They were never programmed to be humans. They observed, learned, understood and replicated.

Something happened between the Asurans and the bugs. Some code was erased, different models were chosen, but when it came to make human models, they were there. Ultimately, if their first generation managed to do it, there's nothing telling they can't replicate this feature.

They are biologically advanced, and extremely intelligent. They would have to be to get to where they are.

They are going to fight. They will be where S8472 is. I see no evidence that S8472 hull can resist bugs which have been piercing and eating hulls known to be particularily strong, without shields.
I'm talking about different alloys of naqahdah, trinium, carbon and so on. At the end, they can even recompose neutronium.
Get real, they will eat through S8472 ships in no time flat.

They’re almost like what the ancients would have evolved to if ascension didn’t exist (obviously in the term of technology/biology development sense and not actually looks).

Excuse me, the Alterans did evolve, and they developped a full range of psychic powers which I don't remember the S8472 having safe eventually a telepathic link, which the Wraith do at much greater ranges.

For me it comes down to how successful RepliCarter was against Daniel and Uberoth was against Weir. Character shield aside, that should not have been allowed to happen. They have no problem with pure technology, but biology is still a huge handicap for them.

You openly ignore what I already pointed out:

1. Daniel still had some bits of ascended mind in his brain, and Replicarter was actually capable of unlocking it. The amount of data was so great that all of her brethren which react in microseconds needed minutes and minutes to assimilate an extremely negligible amount of the data Daniel held.
Daniel used the fact that Replicarter and her pals were dedicating a lot of their power to assimilation to take control of them. For a very short time. Once Daniel's barrier was broken and once enough data sunk, the replicators regained control of themselves.
Daniel was extremely special, unless you want to argue that a normal human could control advanced machines billion times more powerful, with a computing power that surpases any human brain, and that over a whole galaxy, while holding an amount of data from ascended planes that literally baffled the replicators.
The thing is, Oma's act may have been a ploy all along, and fooled the Others is making them believe that Daniel was entirely downgraded to his original form. Which he was not. The Daniel of season 7 was not the one we had for five seasons before, and apparently not the one we had later. This one was much like a locked alteran in power. Even Orlin, downgraded and all that jazz, to hold enough data to defeat the Ori, had to be in a young body, and progressively died of this.

2. Any event that involves the asurans is biased for the simple fact that those replicators are limited by code on various levels.
Besides, Weir had help from nanites.

I’m not sure I follow your sentiment. The ability to reshape alloys to what they want is nothing spectacular as any advanced race is able to do that.

To reshape alloys requires to break them down beforehand.
And while this could be understood as merely heating them up until they become pure and maleable, to reshape an element with such ease at the nanoscale requires a technology and a power that is extremely advanced.
Even more when we're speaking about neutronium.

They elude internal sensors by disabling it where as 8472 is naturally able to do this.

At first hand, yes, they disabled them. Then later on, season 8, they were simply invisible to internal sensors even before starting to eat anything.
S8472 can't be precisely observed by tricorders, but their energy signature or what have you can be noticed. They radiate something which tricorders can pick. Final replicators do nothing of the sort.
We're talking about asgard sensors you know, literally the best you get to be able to scan something and beam it elsewhere without loosing a single particle.

8472 are able to bypass shields, it passed through voyager shields and boarded the ship without being detected in one on of the episodes.

Yes, for the sake of simplicity, they're equal on those terms. It's good then that the replicators don't rely too much on shields.

The only time I remember replicators bypassing shields was in the form of that replicator missile fired at Thor’s science vessel. The spiders themselves weren’t able to get through apophis’ personal shield nor was that human form replicator able to bypass the shield confinement the wraith put him in.

Those in Enemies were not the final replicators, and for the second case, it's an asuran, which even the Wraith could deactivate in the past. No one has found a way to deactivate those which conquered Ida and attacked the Milky Way. The only key was Reese, and it didn't work that well.

I’m not aware that the replicators used beaming technology; I know the human form was able to block Thor from beaming him into space. As far as we know, 8472 doesn’t use beaming tech so I’m not sure how relevant this is in the vs. scenario.

They beamed Carter off Thor's ship, for example, and they're clearly immune to beaming tech by season 8. All bugs.
The advantage? What do I know? Even Prometheus could beam up an entire building. I let you guess what bugs could eventually consider.
The replicators' main problem is that they concentrate on reproduction, numbers, and anything else is secondary.
They're often single minded, in the sense that they don't exploit all their abilities everytime. For 99.9% of cases, that makes no difference at all, since what they use is always more than enough.
But for example, they have not really incorporated the principle of ranged weapons to a large scale. I mean, all that they have fired is either weapons which already existed on ships they took control of, or that replicator missile, which wasn't made in the goal of destroying but capturing.
That's in fact their whole mantra, as a whole, to capture more than destroy.
We have not seen them compose big bugs equipped with energy cannons, while we know it would be absolutely trivial to do.
That said, solely with what they use and their by default abilities, they have more than enough to take on S8472.

They wouldn’t be able to stop the replicators from consuming the MW raw materials but there is still a finite amount of alloys that exist which would be further reduced as 8472’s invasion force went around destroying planets.

They blast planets apart. The matter is still there. Besides, S8472 are not going to blast all planets. They don't have enough time and resources to do so. In the end, it would be pointless. Replicators don't need planets.
They just need metals.

We’re not talking about months of war here… if 8472 attacked as ferociously as they did with the Borg, the replicators wouldn’t have long to “grow in numbers.”

Yes, as they do it by nature. They don't "have to".
Besides, they already have numbers.

Despite their replication and efficiencies it still takes them time to consume new raw materials and replicate while at the same time facing 8472’s assault force.

Maybe you think that S8472 will be able to strike anywhere, with full resources, and think the replicators would have only one ship, but that's not what happens.
On equal terms, with full resources, the replicators have depopulated Ida and are almost about to control all of the Milky Way galaxy.

S8472 have nothing to match the industrial might of Von Neumann machines with a voracious appetite for neutronium snacks.

I’m not going to discuss UFP firepower vs Gould firepower specifics here since that is highly debatable depending on what source you use. although it should be noted that UFP weapons and defensive development is faster than that of the Gould.

Indeed. Their weapons are more complex and tactically sound, but in raw firepower, the Goa'uld cripple them. I've been around enough to get a good spectrum of all estimations, and at best, the most powerful weapons of the UFP rates around 100 Mt, and that's for torpedoes they fire by small volleys and with limited stocks. Combat ha'taks come with between 12 or 32 heavy cannons, each capable of 200 MT shots.

[Mister Oragahn]

their technology is changing on a regular basis as changing threats arise while the Gould development is rather slow. No race in SG shows weapons near that of 8472. Being able to destroy planets at will and in a relatively short time is impressive.

This is achieved only by using planet busters helped by normal ships to obtain a beam. Stargate forces as a whole have never shown the will to destroy planets, safe the Tok'ra, once, and it took them nothing more than a device smaller than a baby coffin to blow a big moon.
Ah, and Anubis.

Let’s also not forget that 8472 is tactically intelligent. replicator block tactics are based around raw material consumption, and asuran tactics are somewhat lacking as of late. In one of the Voyager episodes they recreated Starfleet headquarters to study this enemy that has helped the Borg defeat them. Although we (as the viewer) know that the federation doesn’t stand a chance against them, they still don’t go into things blindly. The replicators may be able to study the race but so will 8472 be able to study the races of SG. When they come knocking, they’re going to be prepared.

With the slight difference that they made those re-creations after seeing that brute force didn't work. Therefore, their first waves will be using brute force, and do so as long as it works.

Numbers alone aren’t going to help the replicators, especially if that number relies on resources.

Oh yes it will. Just check out the replicators' latest invasion, and see how fast they grew in numbers. Considering that you take the S8472 at their height, the same applies to the replicators, which means slightly before the Dakara device got used.
At that point, they attacked a whole galaxy at once.

They were at war with the Asgard for years and still didn’t manage much in terms of numbers.

Because the standard replicators weren't the ones we know now. They have kept being knocked off by higher technologies developped by the Asgards, up to the point where they absorbed enough of it to resist them.

8472 isn’t as docile and far more capable than the asgard.

Based on what? On the size of things they can destroy? Then I think stars qualify as slightly bigger than planets.