SG universe vs Species 8472 had to be done

[Buba uognarf]

Species 8472 wouldn't even have to fight the puddle jumpers, just destroy the planet and take off.

Instead of saying your opinion that SG tech is superior and expecting it to be considered evidence can someone point out how ST tech is pitiful in comparison. The only way SG has the edge is in speed but just because hyperdrive is faster doesn't make it more advanced. Its just a different form of transport. We've seen federation shuttles reach 'infinite speed' before so I don't see how ST tech can be called pitiful.

[Crazy Tom]

Well......the Federation, in it's infinite wisdom seems to have forgoten to add circuit breakers to its' ships.

[Buba uognarf]

Well......the Federation, in it's infinite wisdom seems to have forgoten to add circuit breakers to its' ships.

What do you mean?

[Crazy Tom]

What do you mean?

*couch* exploding panels*cough*

In fact, this started hapenign so much they actualy came up with an explanation:

Their fed by live plasma coundits. Live, Plasma. Conduits. Thats like powering your laptop with a nuclear power station, because that all those consoles are: computers.

[Buba uognarf]

*couch* exploding panels*cough*

In fact, this started hapenign so much they actualy came up with an explanation:

Their fed by live plasma coundits. Live, Plasma. Conduits. Thats like powering your laptop with a nuclear power station, because that all those consoles are: computers.

Do the panels in SG not explode? They do. So whats your point?

[MacTX]

Borg casualties:

8 planets destroyed.
312 vessels disabled.
4000621 Borg eliminated.

I think those Borg casualties need to be revised. That was the status report 7 got from the collective prior to her running ramped and taking Voyager into fluidic space.

In the episode with the Hirogen hunting the injured 8472, 7 said "they were the only species to offer true resistance to the Borg, they destroyed billions of drones, hundreds of our worlds." no mention is made though of how many ships were destroyed but I would guess thousands. apparently 8472 went on a killing spree between 7 getting that status report and 8472 retreating back to fluidic space and that's in the time frame of 4-6 hours.

In the same episode Chakotey reported to the Hirogen "six months ago this species invaded our galaxy with thousands of ships"

[MacTX]

1.Nanites heve bee shown to be able to replicate with only simple materials present: Weir's body, no neutronium. That's why they were so weak.

2. Ralicators bugs disolve any kind of mater with theri spray in order to use it as resources for the queen to make more bugs, no reason this shouldn't apply to fluidic space.

3. NIam......floating in space....for months......Not dead[IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/PFAFE%7E1.LUA/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]

4. There's nothing saying the can't replicate oranic machinery either.

5. OK, if they can't asimilate 8472 tech then they could just plug a few blocks into 8472 ship's nervours system and presto, replicator warships. And no imune systems is gonna break solid chunks of neutronium(choice material of replicators) apart.

6. 8472 imnune system dealt with things on a microscopc scale, they can't break down larger chunks of susperstrong alloy.

7. 8472's bad aim, goes really against them considering SG ships don't seem to be sufering from the same problems.

8. The reason only KEW are efective against bugs is that they absorbed energy blasts, therefor what makes you think that 8472's energy beams are any different, at worst the replicators turn their ship into a Trinity style thing, energy hits the hull, and gets routed to a main weapon, use 8472's power against them.

1.The actual strength of the components that made up the nanites in weirs body shouldn’t have made a difference in its ability to “assimilate” her from the inside out into another replicator. It just shows a lack of ability on the nanite’s part. Human biology and physical make up is nothing special and the replicators should pretty much have detailed schematics on the subject.

2.Except that the replicators have shown no interest in assimilating organics into their makeup and I’m not sure how useful liquid blocks would be. Fluidic space is organic liquid.

3.Still was disabled.

4. Except that it goes against what’s established. You’re basically going against what the writers establish to try and make a point. Replicator blocks ingest alloys to REPLICATE the original toys that Reece made and to follow her order to go forth and replicate. There are plenty of organic materials in IDA and MW and at no time have they tried to integrate it into their makeup nor has the notion been hinted at (probably because the writers didn't want to copy the Borg from ST).

5. 8472 are not human, so you’re just speculating that AOT tactics would work here. Last time I checked neutonium nanites are supposedly microscopic. We’re not talking about chunks of neutronium here, just microscopic neutronium nanites trying to invade 8472 on the cellular level.

6. Which is why neutronium knife probably would work.

7. Plenty of bad aim in the SG universe as well; pretty much from all the races.

8.what is KEW?
Weapons fire from the asgard can destroy a block ship (even though it was an ambush it still shows that the blocks are not immune to energy weapons). A single bioship beam is probably more than that and asurans use ordinary ships. No evidence has ever been given or suggested that replicators can reuse energy in that fashion otherwise you’d have zat and staff blast being fired back as well as ship weapons.

[MacTX]

Is there any reason to think the MW Replicators can't board and eventually master, if not improve upon 8472 bio tech? Once they did that, they'd wipe out 8472 with ease.

It’s not impossible, just extremely difficult. Biotech is totally alien after all. None of the normal characteristics would apply. The replicators have only encountered normal mechanical tech. Since the aliens and their ships are made of the same stuff and seeing how resilient both are it’s a tough sell.

As for Earth, with their current fleet, they'd be destroyed. A few dozen more ships and they might stand a chance.

A few dozen? You’re kidding right? the 304's would already have a tough time one on one and we're talking about an invasion force of thousands of bioships from a race that could destroy earth if they so desire with one attack.

I think the Ancients could take them out as well. Sure, energy weapons might be fairly useless against their ships, but what about drones? Fire a few dozen of those at a bioship and I have no doubt it will take it out. I'm certain a ZPM would be able to withstand several blasts from one of those ships, so that's not a problem.

The ancients would be easily overrun. We’re talking about an invasion force far greater than the wraith with weapons even more powerful. This is also a highly intelligent race as well. ZPM powered ships didn’t really help the Ancients with their war against the wraith did it.

Now "SG universe vs Species 8472", is there any doubt SG would win? ST tech is really pretty pitiful in comparison, so Voyager getting it's ass handed to them shouldn't even be brought up.

Your opinion without any real evidence.

[Crazy Tom]

Do the panels in SG not explode? They do. So whats your point?

Not nearly as dramaticaly.

1. Odd isn't it?

2. Break down matter to a microscopic level (walls melthing), then do soemhting to those parts, kiron pathways or soemehting.

3. By lack of energy, not cosmic rays.

4. I meant it's not known either way, They prefer tougher materals that's why, and they replicated out of teh material on a russian sub. And their purpose is also to seek out higly advanced technology, hence even if they did not replicate teh biologicla structure of 8472 constructs they would still gain an understanding of the technology and a) devise a countermeasure b) apply that understanding in betering their own inorganic components.

5. I am of couse speakign of MW replis here. Now let's examine that. The Replis need an nervous system in order to take over the host, 8472 ships do have one as staded on screen, they use it as we use computers, so a few carefuly aplied blocks and the Repli's win.

7. Not that bad all the time, mostly when the plot dictates it.

8. Kinetic Energy Weapon. ANd no they are not imune, And whiel wevenever seen staff blasts or zat blast fired back(i don't think the replis have the mechanisms for doing either) all energy weapons are completly inefective againt them, or at least any handheld energy weapons. ANd that energy has to go somwehre if they don't melt.

[MacTX]

if the Asurans have Puddle jumper which they probly do they could build 1000s of them in months. i think they would be very good against bioship's. a few Puddle jumpers could probly win against 1 bioship cos the bioship could only take 1 out at a time and it might only take a few drones to take a bioship out.

If 8472 did a full on invasion, a month is optimist. Asuras would be gone long before then.


Drones are pretty weak if you’re going to fire a few at a time and you’re probably going to need a few dozen drones to destroy a bioship.

[Crazy Tom]

WE ARE USING MW REPLICATORS!

And stop thinking that just becasue tech is biological it's beyond understanding. The replicators have proven very adaptble.

Master plan:

Give the replicators a few drones, and watch them mass rpoduce them, now we have an weapon without countermeasure, 8472 don't have shield, and i don't care how touch they are, enrgy blasts may disipate, but drones are old fasioned(relatively speakign of course) explosives. All they have to do is swarm the bioships.

[Buba uognarf]

Who says 8472 don't use shields? Their firepower makes every weapon in SG look like crap. They'd be blowing replicator ships apart very easily. The only thing that could save the replicators is the fact that they could keep disappearing and replicating. Not sure how 8472 would counter that...

8472 are completely alien, its optimistic to assume the replicators could control one. Very optimistic.

[Crazy Tom]

Ultimate Reason Why Replicators Own 8472

-time dialation

If they are being defeated all they do is go to a planet, turn on the TDD, and come back to the battle a few seconds after with a hundred brand new warships. The ability to manipulate time within a spacific region of space is quite literaly the ultimate weapon. Their ships could turn it on mid battel and make repairs, Entire fleets could be generated in teh blink of an eye, someone lese come up with somehing....

edit: and take all teh tiem in the world to study 8472 tech and figure out how it works in order to turn it against them.

[Buba uognarf]

Ultimate Reason Why Replicators Own 8472

-time dialation

If they are being defeated all they do is go to a planet, turn on the TDD, and come back to the battle a few seconds after with a hundred brand new warships. The ability to manipulate time within a spacific region of space is quite literaly the ultimate weapon. Their ships could turn it on mid battel and make repairs, Entire fleets could be generated in teh blink of an eye, someone lese come up with somehing....

edit: and take all teh tiem in the world to study 8472 tech and figure out how it works in order to turn it against them.

I'll give you that. But that's only with the inclusion of a human form replicator. The bugs have never shown the tactic smarts to use that kind of strategy.

[Crazy Tom]

I'll give you that. But that's only with the inclusion of a human form replicator. The bugs have never shown the tactic smarts to use that kind of strategy.

OK, that's fixed easily enough. Put HSepard or O'neil or WHoever in a ancient stasis pod and have them tap into the Replicator subspace network and have them take charge, that way we know the replicatos won't rebel against us and they are led by a competent leader.