Misc tech questions

[_Owen_]

No, the event horizon dematerializes matter as soon as it passes the event horizon, otherwise in the Episode of Stargate Atlantis "Thirty-Eight Minutes" they simply would have been able to walk into the front compartment of the puddle jumper and push the engines a bit to force them through the gate. Also you would be able to see something even after your eyes had passed the event horizon, Carter would have noticed it and said something like, "Well the event horizon must wait for the entire unit of matter and then dematerialize the matter in discrete units." But she didn't.

Owen Macri

[Col. Newman]

No, the event horizon dematerializes matter as soon as it passes the event horizon, otherwise in the Episode of Stargate Atlantis "Thirty-Eight Minutes" they simply would have been able to walk into the front compartment of the puddle jumper and push the engines a bit to force them through the gate. Also you would be able to see something even after your eyes had passed the event horizon, Carter would have noticed it and said something like, "Well the event horizon must wait for the entire unit of matter and then dematerialize the matter in discrete units." But she didn't.

Owen Macri

aah yes very good point to clarify a little the Stargate does dematerializes matter as soon as it passes the event horizon, but doesn't transmit it until the whole object has been dematerializes.

[_Owen_]

Yes, thank you Col. Newman, I should have said that as well. Thank you. Expect some reputation coming your way.

Owen Macri

[Gladius77]

Just one little problem here... this might work fine for inanimate objects, but it would mean that a human entering the gate would start dematerilizing before they'd even gone through... which would be something akin to chainsawing someone in half from the head down. As soon as the brain was cut in two, the half of the body still left outside should fall down limp. Or am I missing something?

[Seastallion]

Just one little problem here... this might work fine for inanimate objects, but it would mean that a human entering the gate would start dematerilizing before they'd even gone through... which would be something akin to chainsawing someone in half from the head down. As soon as the brain was cut in two, the half of the body still left outside should fall down limp. Or am I missing something?

2 things:

First, your forgetting momentum. Things that are moving tend to keep moving. So the person would continue moving towards the gate, even though they're sort of unconscious.

Second, the body is still operating on the last instructions it was given which was step forward. The wormhole also tends to pull you in on its own if enough mass is already passed through.

Obviously, none of us here are Ancients... so that means we have to take a leap of faith on some things. I'm just going to assume the Ancients designed it, so as to not kill you. Heck, if a transporter can work... why not the gate?? Anywho... that's sci-fi for you. Sometimes, you just need faith.

[6thMonolith]

Just one little problem here... this might work fine for inanimate objects, but it would mean that a human entering the gate would start dematerilizing before they'd even gone through... which would be something akin to chainsawing someone in half from the head down. As soon as the brain was cut in two, the half of the body still left outside should fall down limp. Or am I missing something?

Thats what I'm thinking. It's never really been explained in the show much. In Gemini, the Replicarter is half in the Event Horizon, and is still able to pull and struggle against Teal'c.

[Seastallion]

Thats what I'm thinking. It's never really been explained in the show much. In Gemini, the Replicarter is half in the Event Horizon, and is still able to pull and struggle against Teal'c.

Your forgetting that Replicarter was made up of many, many little nanites. Her cognitive functions weren't limited to her head. Her arm had a 'mind' of its own, so to speak.

[Col. Newman]

Thats what I'm thinking. It's never really been explained in the show much. In Gemini, the Replicarter is half in the Event Horizon, and is still able to pull and struggle against Teal'c.

You have to remember that this is a TV show and the writers have a tendency to be inconsistent but there are artistic types (i would think since they are writers), and that’s just how they r.

[Col. Newman]

Your forgetting that Replicarter was made up of many, many little nanites. Her cognitive functions weren't limited to her head. Her arm had a 'mind' of its own, so to speak.

that makes sense

[6thMonolith]

Your forgetting that Replicarter was made up of many, many little nanites. Her cognitive functions weren't limited to her head. Her arm had a 'mind' of its own, so to speak.

I'll try and think of another example....

How about the second episode, The Enemy Within. Kawalsky does struggle after he is in the 'gate, right? Its been awhile since I've seen that episode.

[Gladius77]

Obviously, none of us here are Ancients... so that means we have to take a leap of faith on some things. I'm just going to assume the Ancients designed it, so as to not kill you. Heck, if a transporter can work... why not the gate?? Anywho... that's sci-fi for you. Sometimes, you just need faith.

Yea, though I think with teleport a bit smaller leap of faith is required... I find it much easier to believe that something could be reintegrated as a whole, if it was also put apart as a whole. The stargate concept basically takes Trek's teleport, and multiplies it by 1000 (if you consider the human body being reintegrated slice by slice as it exits the gate, still being conscious and everything).

I probably think too much.

[_Owen_]

It has been proven that the gate pulls in matter, for example the season one episode "Fire and Water," when they are performing the memorial, they pushed a reef through the stargate then let it go, it was pulled through the event horizon.

As for the Kawalsky situation, that was only the second episode, but there is one possibilty, the gate already scans matter enetering the event horizon, perhaps it also duplicates the function of the part of the matter entering the gate until it has passed fully through the event horizon. For example, if a human were to stick his or her head in, the gate would recognize that a brain has entered the stargate and reproduce the functions of the brain traasmitting signals throughout the body telling it to keep walking.

Owen Macri

[Seastallion]

I'll try and think of another example....

How about the second episode, The Enemy Within. Kawalsky does struggle after he is in the 'gate, right? Its been awhile since I've seen that episode.

Mmm... That still isn't a great example. Remember that Kawalsky was possessed by a Goa'uld. The Goa'uld itself controls the body, and it isn't in the top part of the brain. It is wrapped around the brain stem, and sort of 'plugged' into the brain. Also, we know that a Goa'uld can allow parts of itself to be cut away, and continue to survive, eventually growing back what it lost. Sort of like a lizard growing back its tail. Owen could have a point, as well. I just don't know. Like I said, sometimes you just have to have faith.

Actually, I'm somewhat of the mind that the gate doesn't entirely demolecularize you until you've fully passed through the gate. Where does the body parts you don't see go? Well, the gate does work by using extra-dimensions. Perhaps you have to be fully inside the extra dimensions, before the gate will transmit you through the wormhole. Of course the whole thing happens in less than nano-seconds, so the traveller wouldn't really recall anything happening... just a sort of flash, and then *pop* there on the other side.

[_Owen_]

It seems as though the Goa'uld controls the brain which controls the body, not as though the Goa'uld controls the body directly.

If the gate did dematerialize matter in dicrete units, then you could stick your face past the event horizon and see, something. What? I don't know.

Owen Macri

[Col. Newman]

As for the Kawalsky situation, that was only the second episode, but there is one possibilty, the gate already scans matter enetering the event horizon, perhaps it also duplicates the function of the part of the matter entering the gate until it has passed fully through the event horizon. For example, if a human were to stick his or her head in, the gate would recognize that a brain has entered the stargate and reproduce the functions of the brain traasmitting signals throughout the body telling it to keep walking.

Owen Macri

Brilliant, I’ve always assumed that the gate is EXTREMLY complex; i mean just comparing maybe the Tollans to our level of tech would be like comparing a chimp using a rock to mash nuts to our current level of tech, trying to compare the Ancients to us would be almost impossible

P.S. If you can’t sort out what I was trying to say then tell me and I’ll try to explain it better