Simeon : The Last Scene.

[morbosfist]

I feel the same way.

Y'know, I just have to say it...

Right now you're all up in arms about them killing Ginn, but come next week and the week after that, I'd be willing to bet you'll still be here. Boo hoo, they killed the hot nerd character. It happens, and SGU is hardly alone in doing such a thing.

[xxxevilgrinxxx]

...That said, you're on a board around people who ARE enjoying a show and you're venting angry opinions about a show you don't enjoy (but watch) and happily quoting diminishing ratings at every chance you get. I have to ask, what possible motive does that serve? ....

to gloat?

...
That nerd deserved some frellin' happiness gorram it.

yes, yes he does

But how often have we seen Eli angry? I don't mean frustrated because people are asking him questions he has no answer for or because he's Math Boy and is fed up with the title. Actual anger. That, and some hot redhead lovin', is part of a fullt developed personality and I'm hoping we get to see some anger

This thread seems symptomatic of what happens when fans know too much about what is coming up in future episodes.

Yep, and to add to that, knowing so much but not knowing it all. None of us really know where this particular plot point is going

I honestly don't see why Ginn is so beloved, after only a few scenes. The loss of Riley was MUCH more important, imho.

Could it be because she is a cute girl?

Inquiring minds wanna know.

Sexy redhead
And yeah, Riley was a far bigger loss *chin wobbles*

[Kassian]

I honestly don't see why Ginn is so beloved, after only a few scenes. The loss of Riley was MUCH more important, imho.

Could it be because she is a cute girl?

Inquiring minds wanna know.

Of course and she´s that was Chloe isn´t - a good replacement for Sam, a brillant woman - exactly that what the series needed.

[Blackhole]

Y'know, I just have to say it...

Right now you're all up in arms about them killing Ginn, but come next week and the week after that, I'd be willing to bet you'll still be here. Boo hoo, they killed the hot nerd character. It happens, and SGU is hardly alone in doing such a thing.

That statement may be true for posters on this board. They are going to be far more invested than general viewers are. In my case I have walked away from shows after several seasons when I felt they were no longer entertaining. I did it with Heroes and Burn Notice. I really liked both seasons early on but in both series there came a point when I felt the shows were more irritating than entertaining so I decided to cut my loses and moved on.

Besides, whether we stop watching or not isn't germane to the validity of our criticisms. A lot of general viewers will feel the same way and they will far more easily walk away.

[PotRoast]

Oh my, in this economy, we need some happiness. I liked the Ginn/Eli relationship. Reality alert: this is a ship filled with adults. Hmmm, think about what happens in a normal office. Hormones anyone?! I am looking forward to TJ waking up and dumping Young. Varro is a great addition to the show, as is Simeon. Lt. James and Simeon, now that's a match.
I love the show. Most shows are written at a sixth grade level and I feel this makes you think more. You may not like what you see or feel but that's about as real as it gets.

[Blackhole]

to gloat?

Fans feel a kinship to a successful franchise. SG-1 and SGA were great shows. Watching SGU spiral down because of (what I consider) an adherence to a failing soapy and depressing dramatic format is very upsetting and painful to watch for many fans. I don’t think a little “told you so” anger is too much out of line.

yes, yes he does

But how often have we seen Eli angry? I don't mean frustrated because people are asking him questions he has no answer for or because he's Math Boy and is fed up with the title. Actual anger. That, and some hot redhead lovin', is part of a fullt developed personality and I'm hoping we get to see some anger

Everyone watches shows for different reasons. You may enjoy perpetual hardship among the characters. It is certainly your perogative to want to watch Eli and Rush crushed by their losses. What I consider contrived emotional angst may be good drama to you. Hey, whatever floats your boat.

Yep, and to add to that, knowing so much but not knowing it all. None of us really know where this particular plot point is going

You made the same claim when we had the Young has psychologically crumbled and was responsible for losing the ship to LA discussion at the end of last season. You said it was premature to have that discussion because there wasn't enough evidence to justify that conclusion. As it turned out things went down exactly as we said. Young lost the ship and psychologically collapsed.

Killing Ginn/Amanda can only go down one way. Both Eli and Rush are going to be crushed; and are likely as a result to go through an emotional tail spin. Because this is Eli’s first love he will probably be hardest hit.

Sexy redhead
And yeah, Riley was a far bigger loss *chin wobbles*

It is clear from what a number of posters have written that many will feel differently about Ginn's loss.

[Jes]

To the first part, no one claimed she was heroic, we were debating the damsel in distress claim. That archetype generally requires that she is NOT the one saving herself. In this case, it's not applicable because she IS the one who saves her self... others aren't acting to save her. In terms of dramatic structure, her abuse is backstory and not really treated as a plot device.

Shooting someone in the front might have been nice, but in that split second when it was him or Telford, I'm not going to quibble about her timing. I'm more than willing to give the benefit of the doubt that she 1) was not so high in the LA that she could assume command herself, 2) understanding her position only acted when she felt she had no other choice.

You mention Kiva, but is there any doubt that people don't push her around because she would put a bullet in their head? I doubt she was running around beating up her male subordinates physically. This isn't Buffy, where waif thin young women go toe to toe with 230+ pound men and that exchange works out well.


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The second point is valid and I don't really know what to make of that. It could just be a flat out mistake on the part of the commander rather than a writing error. After all, they haven't been dealing with LA personnel on the stones for that long and they've gone to great lengths in the show to display that the crew is certainly not perfect.

Not sure where the Buffy bit is coming from. I openly admitted that a Knife as opposed to a gun would have changed my perspective drastically. Fist fight would fall into the same category since size/strength would be a major factor there as opposed to a gunfight. Also having re-watched the episode yesterday, there was a second guard present when Simeon confronted Ginn. He was in the hallway. Wray backed him down with just words. I have little doubt the guards would have interceeded on Ginn's behalf if she would have asked.

On the second part, I didn't exactly mean that the writers made an unintentional mistake, rather an intentional one. If Young's order of the LA having an escort at all times was followed, and with the given that the stones do malfunction or could have the connection cut by Earth at anytime then following the order even while under the circumstance of using the stones makes sense, then Ginn/Perry would have an escort which would have made her sneaking off to do Rush's bidding much harder to acomplish. Not to mention right when she was noticed as having snuck off then a search would have started right away.

[morbosfist]

Casual viewers are not likely to abandon the show because the hot redhead dies. She's a minor character. Riley was far more established than she was.

[Blackhole]

Casual viewers are not likely to abandon the show because the hot redhead dies. She's a minor character. Riley was far more established than she was.

Given that half of the viewer ship from the first season has already walked away for reasons I have already explained I disagree with you.

[Nikec3]

I think that is Ginn more likable character than writers thought it would be.

[carmencatalina]

Or she is just really nice looking.

Exactly how many lines did she actually have? Did we really get a sense of her as a person?

I'm not buying the "we just love her character so much!" thing - she barely spoke in most of the episodes she was in (although I totally cheered when she shot Mr. Crazy Pants in the back).

[morbosfist]

Given that half of the viewer ship from the first season has already walked away for reasons I have already explained I disagree with you.

Your reasons are total hearsay. Disagree all you like, the fact is the deaths of two minor/supporting characters are not responsible for the ratings going down.

[Blackhole]

Your reasons are total hearsay. Disagree all you like, the fact is the deaths of two minor/supporting characters are not responsible for the ratings going down.

Half of the viewer ship from the first season has already walked away. I put forth a reasonable explanation as to why. I don't have to prove it. Short of extensive market research no one is ever going to know for certain. Put forth your own reasons if you don't agree with mine. The clear, indisputable and salient fact is SGU isn't doing well with general viewers and is in danger of cancellation. Ultimately the reason for the ratings decline at this point is moot as it has already happened. Unfortunately as I understand the renewal system, the decision to renew for a third season will be made soon and is based on the ratings for the first half of the season.

And obviously the death of Ginn and Amanda has happened yet. How could that possibly affect ratings?

I disagree with you. I think the death of these two minor characters will make it clear to a significant segment of the current viewer ship that the perpetual conflict of the characters and the depressing tone of the show isn't ever going to change. This segment isn't going to be happy and it will result in another ratings drop. It is possible however that the ratings have already bottomed out. We will have to wait and see what happens.

[pipi]

Personally since Ginn didn't show any skin, I wouldn't miss her one bit.

[The Destiny]

Personally since Ginn didn't show any skin, I wouldn't miss her one bit.

Let's be glad Eli didn't show any skin for the camera when he was hiding behind the bed ^^ I like Eli, but some things must stay private..

Ginn didn't have a lot of lines, the first episodes she was mostly in the background. The scenes I remember where she was really in the foreground were when she shot Dannick, Wray was talking to her about the LA and her planet, Wray interrupting in her quarters and Ginn using the stones. I think her appeal lies mostly in that she's:
1) A cute sexy redhead, Eli found some fine tail there!
2) Eli's chance of happiness. It's a cute couple
3) She could've been a nice ( more fleshed-out ) character. The possibilities!

But have hope, ye despairing fans!

Spoiler:

She might come back:
http://tvdeathray.com/2010/09/27/int...iews-season-2/

Brad Wright said:

"They have recurring arcs — Mike all through the season and Julie too, surprisingly. I say surprisingly because there are events that will make it seem unlikely, but she recurs (laughs). And Robert Knepper too, certainly for the first seven episodes of the season, has a strong arc. And he’s a scary guy! His character is pretty cool and pretty dark, and maybe darker than any human villain we’ve ever done in the Stargate world."

Yes, there be hope, ye fandom!

If the knowledge in the spoiler were more common, seeing Ginn appeared very popular, people might simply turn in to see that what's in spoilers.. we just don't know which episode..