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Originally posted by reddevil18 View PostMaybe. But I would have had to lower my expectations CONSIDERABLY in order to find this episode anything but "meh".Grimm returns October 24sigpic
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Don't worry Red, even if you hate this and Pathogen, I can safely say that I'll like 'em, and thus, the world will be balanced.~ When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take back the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager! Make life rue the day it thought it could give Cave Johnson lemons! Do you know who I am? I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down! WITH THE LEMONS! I'm gonna get my engineers to invent a combustible lemon that BURNS YOUR HOUSE DOWN! ~
~ Burning people! He says what we're all thinking! ~
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meh i dont get it first of all
destiny begins the trip from earth (bu the time that atlanis was there then) they fit in that ship infernior technology and inferior scheme why is that? crazy ancients?..
then its the seeder ship a ship capable of building stargate and its so ****** small compared with what it can do..(btw why they didnt think to use the stargates to amplify the power as we saw it in sg1?...................so much and ancient understanding..)
adn if they keep killing ppl with that rate byt the end of season 3(lets hope for that) there will be no one on destiny
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Originally posted by UniverseSizePlotHole View PostRush could have blown the sucker (main weapon was right near it I thought it would interfere with docking) that would have stopped the power transfer and not made Destiny go straight back into FTL.
Originally posted by jelgate View PostNo
Rush could have easily let Telford to continue his work and reverse the energy drain instead of separating Destiny from seeder. Or use the bridge to see if it was going to work instead of automatically separating the two. Finally if Rush had been truthful about discovering the bridge and how to control Destiny they could of separated long before Telford's life was in peril
Young himself wanted to disconnect the ship, so Rush was technically doing what Young wanted anyway.
I mean even Varro, his actor was a guy that killed Natan in SG1 ... yet now he is someone totally different
Originally posted by Arative View PostFirst thought that popped into my head was the brown aliens were a race created by the ancients to care for the ship when the ship experiences problems. Sort of like the race created to work on the Citadel in Mass Effect.
Aren't stargates made out of naquadah, a mineral contained in an ore which is mined? I'm just hoping TPTB aren't going to leave the fans to try figuring it out. After all, TPTB invented this stargate seeding ship so they ought to have some idea of how it works.
Part of it is that Rush didn't see everything, and only learned about some of the other conditions when Franklin and Gloria told him, AFTER the shuttle left. People in the Core room should have been able to scan the planet just as well, so why didn't Eli, Park, Brody, or Volker say anything? If we're gonna blame Rush, we'll have to blame them, too. Or maybe they aren't that smart after all, and Rush has a point? Who knows.
This doesn't excuse Rush overlooking the bridge's readings of the planet's dangerous biosphere (until his "visions" had to alert him to it)
I also like the way he was really adamant of being the one taking care of the transfer back on the gate ship until the last minute placing himself in the position to be the last to leave the Destiny for earth...or not.
A) would have not worked or
B) would have worked, but he could not stay.
This is fair,its in many ways their ship. Then again: Did Young/Rush/crew know there was any lifeforms on that ship? If I remember right they did start "tapping" power before they found out there was aliens there.
Originally posted by Elemental View PostWhy isnt anyone talking about the moment when Rush basically blew off the most significant reveal in the series (perhaps the franchise) when they finally saw the stargate manufacturing facility? I believe his exact words were: "Well, have we had enough of this little diversion?". Could he have been more apathetic? A real let down.
So, stressful conditions can give some leeway to bad decisions? Well, Young's had head trauma, the stress of being a leader, a broken marriage, several deaths including that of his own baby, and he's had to kill a member of his own crew because the latter wished it; and now he's drinking because of all that crap; does he get "mental duress mitigating factors" too? Or are his decisions just bad, period?
Can someone clarify what happened at the end? Rush presumably was the one who separated the ship. But the implication was that aliens were the ones who reversed the power flow not Rush, right? Why did the vision of his wife say "Did you do it to save the crew or your dream?" Didn't he just save all their lives? Or was it because he still won't turn the autopilot off and inform the crew they can go back to save Telford?
I wonder if there was such a thing as a "Life Signs Detector" back when Destiny was launched? I wouldn't think that such a device fits in the theme of SGU anyway. But, it was what I immediately thought about when the aliens left their stasis pods.
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Originally posted by Lt.Colonel John Sheppard View PostSo do you guys think the LA will hit earth?My heart beats in 13/8.
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Originally posted by PG15 View PostOh yeah, all 3 pages of it.
That said, maybe we should have a poll after all.
And judges aren't completely objective either.
Who decides whether one has judged appropriately?
There were more than enough stresses for Young up to that point. Furthermore, stress factors aren't the only mitigating ones; there are many emotional factors involved if we're really going to count them (i.e. Young's protectiveness for Telford).
And no, you haven't felt that Rush is sociopathic, which makes you more level-headed and objective than some around here. Part of why I respect you, even when we disagree on things. It's always nice to talk to rational, logical people, despite disagreements. =)
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Just a few points;
I wonder if the BA's went aboard the Seed ship to study it and it took them away from their home, maybe they inadvertently drained some of the seed ships power so it didn't have the juice to make a refuel stop, and them draining power was a way for them to return home.
I hope Brody tells Greer about Young's alcoholic state because i think Greer is the only one who can reach him on the level that Young needs.
Also, just a small point, did anyone else notice at the end of Awakening, that Rush was just about to fall asleep in the chair, and from the looks of the background he left the door open in his haste to disconnect the ships?
Might hopefully mean the bridge gets discovered by others as Rush has a tendency to turn his radio off/ignore it when he is there.
His talking to Gloria and the other scientist dude whose name escapes me, are they being used as plot devices for Rush's internal struggles with his actions so we can see the turmoil inside of him, i aren't truly happy with the current theories of them being hallucinations or some holographic projection by the ship itself, we've seen Destiny has a sophisticated computer system but nothing on the technological order of holographics, maybe it will be shown in a later episode, but for now i see it as Rush probing his own consciousness about his actions and why he did them
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Originally posted by metabog View PostIt's hard to be concerned about that when you consider that Earth (one planet) has already defeated not one but two races of "gods" and one race of invincible, highly advanced artificial beings. What damage could a bunch of spies and thugs hope to do to a planet that should, for all intents and purposes, be the capital of the Universe?
What matters in warfare is not how big your stick is, it matters what you do with it. Having some of the largest, most advanced, battle hardened and best trained troops in the world didn't help the Soviets in Afghanistan, the US in Vietnam, the French in Spain in the Napoleonic wars and countless other examples throughout history.
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Originally posted by General Jumper One View Postwhy didn't Rush stop the jump?
Originally posted by Lt.Colonel John Sheppard View PostI hate to say this but do you think Telford was so insistant on staying there cause if he reversed the transfer and that if they made a connection to earth Telford would get his command?
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Originally posted by lvalen18 View Posti Saw a Picture of the Smurf Aliens and the new lil brown ones.... They Seem Similar... Ones Taller an blue but their facial features have similarities...
And they seem to know ancient... They where shown using one of the terminals to reverse the Power flow... They couldn't exactly just guess what to do to be able to lock down the ship.
Originally posted by EvenstarSRV View PostPretty good episode. It was nice to see some follow-up to the dangling threads like Chloe's condition, TJ's emotions about her lost baby, and the LA, though those scenes felt a bit jarring the way they were interspersed with the scenes from the seeder ship. The new aliens were rather cute, I hope we get to see them again, especially since they appeared to be explorers/researchers.
Re Rush's actions, I noticed that he overheard Telford saying that he would take over if Young didn't start shaping up. I'm thinking that while Rush doesn't think Young is fit for command, he'd probably prefer to him to Telford since he's used to getting around Young when he wants to.
I am looking forward to the showdown when everyone finds out that Rush has found the bridge, because I hope Young or someone finally decides to follow him when he leaves instead of just constantly wondering where he went off to.
Originally posted by zainea13 View PostI don't know why you all think Rush is so callous. In intervetion he was sorry that he was going to have to sacrifice parts of the crew.
In Aftermath he was hurt by the fact that he caused them to crash and ultimately riley to die. You can see in his face he was frustrated when he realized the shuttle would't make it. And was worried when they were out of contact.
In Awakening at the end he was clearly upset. Even if he was doing it for selfish reasons he was hurt by the decision he felt he had to make. And the last scene he is sitting in the chair, and what I get from it is that he is thinking "What am I doing!"
Originally posted by mparsons1981 View PostBut you see you defeat your own argument. You say there was no risk to dialling the gate, but also point out there was an alien presence.
It was a huge risk to dial the gate in such a siuation.
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