Young is the good guy. Why the majority think different?

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

spinny,

Ok firstly, assuming for some reason this were real life, he has my seal of approval for lasting this long, hes under a crap load of pressure, hes got Wray trying to crawl up his rectumn, to his left Scott and Chloe smooching whilst Eli watches on with an evil look, another corner TJ being pregnant and in front of him Greer torching civvies who found his stash of "plants".

Assaulting Rush: Frankly if someone had been peeving me off for that long, lieing, and trying to frame me i'd almost do the same
Telford: Well played is all I can say.

Are these the actions of someone who is calm and collected in moments charged with emotion and pressure?

[spinny magee]

spinny,



Are these the actions of someone who is calm and collected in moments charged with emotion and pressure?

Again, put yourself in his shoes, he ain't no pimpin Spock or Teal'c (yes spock is a pimp).

If you walked in on let's say......you are Scott and you find Greer Smooching Chloe do you
A: Slap Greer whilst squealing
B: Say "Good man, I lose goodbye"
C: Get Young to airlock both of them
D: Get the nearest .45 and go on a rampage not realising you left the ammo behind and the safety is on.
E: Pretend it never happened.

Oh well, such is life.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

spinny,

I was referring to attacking Telford and marooning Rush to die.

[Lahela]

Because what is right is not always popular

What he did (stranding Rush on that planet) was not "right" by any stretch of the imagination. It may have been expedient, Rush may have pushed him past his limits, Rush may have done something utterly despicable, but none of those things make it "right".

[Artemis-Neith]

What he did (stranding Rush on that planet) was not "right" by any stretch of the imagination. It may have been expedient, Rush may have pushed him past his limits, Rush may have done something utterly despicable, but none of those things make it "right".

Exactly. A good excuse never turns something wrong in something right.

[xxxevilgrinxxx]

Exactly. A good excuse never turns something wrong in something right.

which could be said about ANY of their actions, Rush's included

[Artemis-Neith]

which could be said about ANY of their actions, Rush's included

That applies to any action of any person, it's neither exclusive to Rush, or Young.

[Lahela]

which could be said about ANY of their actions, Rush's included

Totally agree. I don't believe I've ever said otherwise.

[myhelix]

I think Young is a good guy, but he have the tendencies to first act than think.
And also he likes not to explain his actions to anyone (like Rush do, too.) It´s his military background I suppose. And that makes them more alike than they both would admit. Where Rush can be cold and pragmatic, Young can be the opposite. Like Ying and Yang (I like that dynamic)
however, leaving Rush behind was not the smartest choice, he could let have work the advantage of that situation for him, with knowing Rush have framed him for Spencers death. But he let his anger take control, and Rush know to play that out in his favour.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Myhelix,

Young's issues are more than military training, in my opinion. He lets his emotions get the better of him on a regular basis. That's not a good trait in a commanding officer.

[Deevil]

Because what is right is not always popular

What's right usually is whats popular. Right is decided by the masses in society (and is constantly developing and changing), not by some moral virtue bestowed on a singular individual allowing them to make decisions on life or death. That's why there is a Prosecutor and a Defense Attorney who present their case to a Jury for the most 'popular' decision to be reached on a person's guilt or innocence.

It's the foundation of our justice system.

What Young did was neither popular or right, it was hot tempered and selfish.

[Sami_]

I don't doubt Young's intentions at all - he is definitely a good guy.

Rush on the other hand is pretty much the polar opposite, he has some very ugly character traits the most obvious of which is out narcissistic he is. He neglected his wife when she was dieing, he stranded people on Destiny because of his desire to dial the 9th chevron, he shows zero compassion and is constantly trying to get people to sacrafice themselves for the "greater good" (three times now?) but never seems to volunteer himself.

[Deevil]

What does Rush's character traits have to do with Young being a good guy? Rush can be the biggest Donkey in the universe, but that doesn't make Young a good guy in the comparison pools (or visa versa).

Young is a guy who is clearly also narcissistic, quick to temper, violent, bullying, cloying and on occasion irrational. These things don't mean that he isn't working towards what he believes to be the greater good, but it doesn't mean they are the 'greater good' either.

Personally anyone who leaves someone to die, or threatens their life when they don't like the way they are being questioned doesn't fit into the 'good guy' category - but we all have our own definitions to apply here.

[Sami_]

Exactly. A good excuse never turns something wrong in something right.

Yeah but Rushs' actions were pre-meditated, Young's weren't - he just has a bad temper.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Sami,

Young's job demands he keep a level head. Rush's, not so much.