Pro-civilian bias?

[Jper]

And TJ ordered him to put the gun down. TJ is still TJ, and it's not in her nature to go around shooting her own people.

[jelgate]

Indeed. They could have shot Wray, but that would have most likely enraged the rest of the civilians, and it's a little hard to take on 60+ people with one pistol with a less than full mag.

Was it 60+? I always thought the military and civilians were pretty equal

[The Mighty 6 platoon]

Was it 60+? I always thought the military and civilians were pretty equal

I thought it was around 60 civs, and 20+ military. Anyone got any solid figures?

[The Mighty 6 platoon]

And TJ ordered him to put the gun down. TJ is still TJ, and it's not in her nature to go around shooting her own people.

Even, it must be noted, Young, he with the great temper, managed to resist shooting Rush. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the mutiny, one has to admit the military were very restrained in how they handled it. Problem is of course as Greer said it isn't over, and knowing Young, he won't do anything to relive the pressure, next time will be more bloody.

[Jper]

I thought it was around 60 civs, and 20+ military. Anyone got any solid figures?

Seeing as there are 23 weapons, including handguns that'd be about right. 2/6 is about the correct division we've seen. However, only 40-50 out of the 80 people on board have a name and have been seen on screen, so it's hard to say conclusively.

[jelgate]

Seeing as there are 23 weapons, including handguns that'd be about right. 2/6 is about the correct division we've seen. However, only 40-50 out of the 80 people on board have a name and have been seen on screen, so it's hard to say conclusively.

Thats assuming every soilder left with a weapon when they evacuated Icarus. TJ for example had no gun in Air.

[The Mighty 6 platoon]

Thats assuming every soilder left with a weapon when they evacuated Icarus. TJ for example had no gun in Air.

Some people will have had two weapons, Young for example carried both his UMP and a sidearm in the pilot.

[jelgate]

Some people will have had two weapons, Young for example carried both his UMP and a sidearm in the pilot.

So we're back to having no clue of the military:civilian ratio?

[FallenAngelII]

It's not just the military as an entity, it's the military that's on the ship. Everyone knows that Greer is a loose cannon that would punch anyone out for accidentally stepping on his toes or something as long as he'd get away with it. Now everyone also knows that Young tried to murder Rush. As such, they deemed the Commander in Chief (Young) and his trusted lieutenants (among others, Greer), unfit to run the ship, especially in a dictatorial way.

You see the way Young reacted today. He wanted to re-route power to the weapons against Rush's suggestion because, well, Young knows everything. It was only after Eli said that Rush was right that Young conceded. Had Eli not been present, Young would've doomed the ship merely because he thinks he's always right.

It's not anti-military bias. It's anti-dictatorship and anti-Young bias.

[Jper]

So we're back to having no clue of the military:civilian ratio?

Well, what do you suggest then? The weapons seems at least some indication, no?

The big problem is that we haven't got a fixed list of characters for all 88 or so people that came on board Destiny. And TPTB will never give us such a list.

[Jper]

For all the named people on board of Destiny, see this thread:
http://forum.gateworld.net/threads/7...ted-to-Destiny

[The Mighty 6 platoon]

It's not just the military as an entity, it's the military that's on the ship. Everyone knows that Greer is a loose cannon that would punch anyone out for accidentally stepping on his toes or something as long as he'd get away with it.

Really, this would be the person who walked into the mess hall with an unchambered weapon, if he was such a loose cannon why didn't he wander in with a weapon cocked, ready and safety off rather than waiting to cock the weapon only when the civilians wouldn't get down.

[jelgate]

Well, what do you suggest then? The weapons seems at least some indication, no?

The big problem is that we haven't got a fixed list of characters for all 88 or so people that came on board Destiny. And TPTB will never give us such a list.

No because we have no clue if all military carried a weapon or if as MP6 some carried two. I'm perfectly with us concluding we have no idea how many are civilians and how many are military

[The Mighty 6 platoon]

No because we have no clue if all military carried a weapon or if as MP6 some carried two. I'm perfectly with us concluding we have no idea how many are civilians and how many are military

There are judging by the group shots though a lot less military than civilians. It makes sense as well, very few military personnel were inside Icarus base for the evac, most were outside fighting the Lucian Alliance.

[FallenAngelII]

Really, this would be the person who walked into the mess hall with an unchambered weapon, if he was such a loose cannon why didn't he wander in with a weapon cocked, ready and safety off rather than waiting to cock the weapon only when the civilians wouldn't get down.

He assaulted Telford, he threatened to shoot Rush (and aimed a gun at him), he practically threatened Wray. The reason why he hasn't actually hurt anyone on the ship yet is probably because he knows he won't get away with it. If he punches out a civilian for no good reason, it will start an uproar and the civilians will take over, this time by force. And even if that doesn't happen, Young will have no way to protect him, he'll get locked up for good this time.

Who knows why he had the safety on. Maybe because he knew that if he accidentally killed/shot someone due to overreaction, he was dead meat.

You cannot deny that he has anger management problems.