Lt. Matthew Scott /Brian.J.Smith Thunk/Discussion/Appreciation

[FallenAngelII]

Did you mean to write something else?

All we know about his backstory (i.e., not what we actually saw him do in the episode).

Also, I don't understand how "He likes casual sex... a lot!" could be vital to his characterization and why it would need to actually be shown on-screen.

I'm confused. So in order for it to not be purely gratuitous, there need to be more sex scenes, but if there are more sex scenes then more people will get pissed off because there's sex?

Yes. Where am I losing you here? If you have random sex scenes for no apparent reason, they are gratuitous. However, if you turn it into a recurring thing, a lot of viewers will be turned off.

It seems like a no win situation.

Exactly. Which is why it's a bad idea to throw in sex scenes for no reason other than to have them to begin with. Sex scenes are understandable and even expected in, say, soap operas and relationship (i.e. romantic) dramas and whatnot. Sci-fi ensemble shows? Not so much. References to sex? A-OK. "Morning after" scenes? Fine. Actual explicit sex scenes? Not that necessary.

How about you just take it for what it is; a 30 second sex scene in the pilot episode.

And the question remains: Why was it necessary to include such a scene in the pilot? The pilot, after all, is supposed to sex the tone of the show.

It fits the context of the situation at the Icarus Base. Think about it, they have a bunch of soldiers on patrol each day, yet none of them seem to be pressed for actual work. In fact, this is reiterated in the fact that they are quite surprised by the sudden Lucian Alliance attack. So, really, I can't say I'm surprised that two bored soldiers are off having sex in a closet.

Or they could play hooky doing all kinds of things not involving sex. The scene was not necessary.

There may also be relationship context (regarding Scott and James) that has yet to be fleshed out more. That's speculative though, so I won't go into that really.

But why did we need a sex scene? There was tons of UST and hints and "Will they or won't they" on SG-1 and SGA without a single sex scene ever being on-screen.

Lastly, my question is why is it the case that they should avoid sex just because something might (and I stress "might") work another way?

People seem to think I'm against sex or the idea of sex. I'm not.

People keep saying "it could have been done this way". Well of course it could have, but that argument can be made for almost any aspect of a plot.

And the question is: Was this the best way? Was this necessary?

And if you argue that "it wasn't appropriate for the episode", I'd wonder just when you would consider it appropriate. From what I can gather, most think it's just not appropriate to for the Stargate franchise in general, which I already addressed above.

It'd be appropriate for an episode dealing with romantic relationships or sex or whatnot. Instead, we have 1 1/2 hour of pure drama and action and flashbacks to establish a lot of backstory... and then there's that random graphic sex scene to establish that Scott is irresponsible?

I don't see why we (referring to those who didn't care about the sex scene) should feel compelled to explain why. I'd ask "Why not?".

We're of differing opinions. I ask "Why?" and can't understand why you'd ask "Why not?".





I'm not questioning the idea of two SG characters having sex. I'm questioning the necessity of showing it on-screen for 15-25 seconds. With sound effects, heavy breathing and James being naked from the waist down. Sounds and looks a lot like pure titillation to me.

We could've established the exact same thing by simply hearing a few sound effects while the camera was fixed at the closet door and then hearing Scott being called into action followed by the two of them emerging from the closet red-faced. Or we could've just have seen them from the waist up. Or just their faces.

I question the necessity of the sex scene and also the level of explicitness.

[VSS]

Scott's backstory evidently has to do with sex as well, so this is actually a fair question. While I didn't really care for the sex scene, what really bugged me was the smile on James' face after he left. Like it was the best she'd ever had- up against the wall in a closet and then having him run out on her. Please. That's straight out of a bad fanfic.

And the radio call- "What's your position?" Was that supposed to be funny? It just came across as juvenile given the fact that this is a drama.

So yeah, I think he's supposed to be Sheppard 2.0, or rather Scott 1.0 since Sheppard wasn't really that bad. I would not be surprised if his sexual indiscretions turn out to be something he struggles with, intended to make his character complex and "edgy". I'm not sure the writers have it in them to pull off such a difficult task, however.

[andrewag]

Hey andrewag! Welcome here! So now we have 2 Andrew in the thread? Cool!!

Glad you agreed. Heehee

What's the alias of the first Andrew?

On another note:

Spoiler:

I hope the whole gay exploration thing isn't just with females to get the male viewers to watch for the hell of it and maybe *ahem* Lt. Scott gets some action. Although Kirking will just be lame if he shows an interest in an alien.

[Atlantean2005]

What's the alias of the first Andrew?

That would be me!

On another note:

Spoiler:

I hope the whole gay exploration thing isn't just with females to get the male viewers to watch for the hell of it and maybe *ahem* Lt. Scott gets some action. Although Kirking will just be lame if he shows an interest in an alien.

I agree with you. And I know someone else would most DEFINATELY agree!!

[rosey_angel]

hi everybody!!!
wow that was such a good ep! spoilers in tags

Spoiler:

i can't believe how good scott it! acutally, no, i can *sigh* he was a really good character. i can't help but compare scotts intro to sheps; imo shep had a bad intro, he was acting too much like o'neill and he didn't seem to have any regard for authority. scott was able to step up to the plate and take charge while following orders and keeping the ppl in line without resorting to too much violence, tho when he yelled at the scientists it could have been taken as a threat.
even tho he didn't do it very often, i love it when he yelled *happy sigh*. just something about his voice.
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[FallenAngelII]

Scott's backstory evidently has to do with sex as well, so this is actually a fair question. While I didn't really care for the sex scene, what really bugged me was the smile on James' face after he left. Like it was the best she'd ever had- up against the wall in a closet and then having him run out on her. Please. That's straight out of a bad fanfic.

I, too, found that annoying. However, having realized that this scene was meant to set Scott up as the Kirk of SGU, killer of ladies, it didn't irk me as much as it evidently did you.

So yeah, I think he's supposed to be Sheppard 2.0, or rather Scott 1.0 since Sheppard wasn't really that bad.

Sheppard 2.0 was a double pun. He's not only the Sheppard of SGU, he's also "better" (the 2.0 version), i.e. actually gets to have on-screen sex!

[Pandora's_Box]

Exactly. Which is why it's a bad idea to throw in sex scenes for no reason other than to have them to begin with. Sex scenes are understandable and even expected in, say, soap operas and relationship (i.e. romantic) dramas and whatnot. Sci-fi ensemble shows? Not so much. References to sex? A-OK. "Morning after" scenes? Fine. Actual explicit sex scenes? Not that necessary.

How about SF ensemble shows that have been described by the producers as more dramatic and character-driven than the two previous shows?

And the question remains: Why was it necessary to include such a scene in the pilot? The pilot, after all, is supposed to sex the tone of the show.

Yep. So there's going to be more sex in SGU than in either SG-1 and SGA.

Or they could play hooky doing all kinds of things not involving sex. The scene was not necessary.

Really? Are they in high school?

But why did we need a sex scene? There was tons of UST and hints and "Will they or won't they" on SG-1 and SGA without a single sex scene ever being on-screen.

And it worked fine for SG-1 and SGA, but this is SGU. A different show altogether and the producers are trying something different.

We could've established the exact same thing by simply hearing a few sound effects while the camera was fixed at the closet door and then hearing Scott being called into action followed by the two of them emerging from the closet red-faced. Or we could've just have seen them from the waist up. Or just their faces.

So your biggest problem then seems to be that we saw her bare thigh? This is the impression I'm getting given that we would have seen still movement, heard noises, grunts, what-have-you, if they'd been filmed from the waist up.

Scott's backstory evidently has to do with sex as well, so this is actually a fair question. While I didn't really care for the sex scene, what really bugged me was the smile on James' face after he left. Like it was the best she'd ever had- up against the wall in a closet and then having him run out on her. Please. That's straight out of a bad fanfic.

Endorphins.

'Nuff said.

So yeah, I think he's supposed to be Sheppard 2.0, or rather Scott 1.0 since Sheppard wasn't really that bad. I would not be surprised if his sexual indiscretions turn out to be something he struggles with, intended to make his character complex and "edgy". I'm not sure the writers have it in them to pull off such a difficult task, however.

He can't just like sex. It has to be an "indiscretion that he struggles with"? What is this, a psychological condition?

TPTB can't have just written it in because it's what people might do when they're bored and isolated on a base on another planet?

[VSS]

I, too, found that annoying. However, having realized that this scene was meant to set Scott up as the Kirk of SGU, killer of ladies, it didn't irk me as much as it evidently did you.

It wouldn't have irked me except for the context of how poorly female characters have been written at times on Stargate, which has been a topic that's been discussed at length around GW so I'm not alone in that opinion. Otherwise I'd have looked at it just as you did. But given that context, and considering it's the same group of writers, I just thought, "Here we go again."

[rosey_angel]

i don't watch things that are x rated or even r rated, and this scene was one of the cleanest sex scenes i've seen. buffy had worse in seasons four and six, and greys anatomy has had worse ones, too. we didn't see any breasts or organs needed for sex.
they could have done the other stuff that was suggested, from playing hooky to kissing, but this was as full on as other things in the episode. BAM, people and boxes flying through the stargate, BAM, lucian alliance attacking, BAM, greer with a gun on dr rush. it makes perfect sense for BAM, people having sex in the closet.
and another thing to add with people saying scott was on duty, was he? young said the guests had arrived early, so scott wasn't expected to be anywhere at that time.

[Joben]

I don't care about the sex scene.

I just found that Scott had no screen presence. He didn't really stand out in his acting performance or as a leader. It's funny, he reminds me of the generic space marine in Mass Effect, whose name is Sheppard

Hopefully he gets better as time goes on but to be honest in the pilot he seemed more of an extra than a main character.

[dahok]

I don't care about the sex scene.

I just found that Scott had no screen presence. He didn't really stand out in his acting performance or as a leader. It's funny, he reminds me of the generic space marine in Mass Effect, whose name is Sheppard

Hopefully he gets better as time goes on but to be honest in the pilot he seemed more of an extra than a main character.

Yes, very generic and not exactly "hot". When Air P3... airs... you can swap out the actor with another clean cut Airman and wouldn't know the different. Air... air...

But I'm a guy myself, so maybe my judgment is off. As far as "younger" and "sexier" is concerned, there's one person on SGU that fits that bill, Chloe. Tamara (26) and Sam (29) are about the same age starting out.

I'd argue that SGA had a more attractive cast, but they obviously could add and remove main characters like Keller and Ronon.

[Mr.MacGadget]

What's the alias of the first Andrew?

On another note:

Spoiler:

I hope the whole gay exploration thing isn't just with females to get the male viewers to watch for the hell of it and maybe *ahem* Lt. Scott gets some action. Although Kirking will just be lame if he shows an interest in an alien.

Spoiler:

Oh yes, ITA on that! So, homosexuality in sci-fi, nowdays, Battlestar Galactica, Admiral Caine and Six, females, then in Atlantis they wanted to make one of the female Air Force officer gay, and now in this new show there actually gonna be gay character(s), female(s), and I say okay, in this new show, it fits well... but I would like to see some males there! And yes, Lt. Scott would be perfect! I mean look at this thread...

I agree with you. And I know someone else would most DEFINATELY agree!!

LOL ... Who??

hi everybody!!!
wow that was such a good ep! spoilers in tags

Spoiler:

i can't believe how good scott it! acutally, no, i can *sigh* he was a really good character. i can't help but compare scotts intro to sheps; imo shep had a bad intro, he was acting too much like o'neill and he didn't seem to have any regard for authority. scott was able to step up to the plate and take charge while following orders and keeping the ppl in line without resorting to too much violence, tho when he yelled at the scientists it could have been taken as a threat.
even tho he didn't do it very often, i love it when he yelled *happy sigh*. just something about his voice.
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neck pron for those who like it
http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1..._PDVD_0387.jpg

Hello Rosey!

Spoiler:

Agreed! Well, not on the Shepp is like O'Neill part *this Shepp fan is hurt* LOL , but he was so good indeed, such a great charcter, very original and real, and I have to say, athough I liked all the performances and scenes, everyone has their moment, still, he's the one I liked the most... and not only because he's smokin' hot!
GUH for the pics, I love NeckPorn! Look at the vein. *is dead*

[rosey_angel]

sorry, Mr.MacGadget, i didn't mean to offend with my shep comment

more picspam

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[Mr.MacGadget]

sorry, Mr.MacGadget, i didn't mean to offend with my shep comment

more picspam

Spoiler:

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l1..._PDVD_0732.jpg

No worries, I was kiding! And I agree that the character itself meant to be a O'Neill clone, sorta, but Flanigan could manage to bring something original and unique into Sheppard's character, he made a hell of a good job with it imo.

Nice pics! Hand porn!

[FallenAngelII]

i don't watch things that are x rated or even r rated, and this scene was one of the cleanest sex scenes i've seen. buffy had worse in seasons four and six, and greys anatomy has had worse ones, too. we didn't see any breasts or organs needed for sex.

1) "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" was a relationship drama mainly about teen angst. Every single season paired Buffy up with at least one man. Of course there's going to be smoochies and in-context sex.
2) Season 4 featured a worse sex scene? I don't even remember a sex scene in season 4. Seasn 6's sex scene was all about showcasing Buffy's self-destructive behavior. The scene had actual dramatic significance. Also, may I remind you that neither of these were in the show's pilot? Sex scenes did not become a trend in Buffy. They weren't featured early on in the show just because. They were exceedingly rare.
3) "This and that show has sex scenes as well!" is not a valid argument here. Of course there are shows with sex scenes out there. The question is why such a scene was needed on this show and this early. I've never watched "Grey's...", but from what I hear, it's a very "grown-up" show with a lot of "sexiness". The show was written to be such a show. SGU is mainly an ensemble sci-fi show.

How about SF ensemble shows that have been described by the producers as more dramatic and character-driven than the two previous shows?

Dramatic + Character driven = Bring in the sex scenes?

Yep. So there's going to be more sex in SGU than in either SG-1 and SGA.

Wow. Just... wow.

Really? Are they in high school?

And I turn that question back to you: Really? Are they in high school? As soon as they get bored, they shirk their duties and have sex in supply closets?

And it worked fine for SG-1 and SGA, but this is SGU. A different show altogether and the producers are trying something different.

An unfortunate choice, IMO.

So your biggest problem then seems to be that we saw her bare thigh? This is the impression I'm getting given that we would have seen still movement, heard noises, grunts, what-have-you, if they'd been filmed from the waist up.

No. But it's a major problem. A lot of factors added up to making the scene very explicit.

TPTB can't have just written it in because it's what people might do when they're bored and isolated on a base on another planet?

And I question the wisdom in this move. Edgier = More sex scenes?