Save Vala Mal Doran in the SG-1 movies!

[Platschu]

You can't solve one problem by creating another. Vala doesn't fit anywhere in the Atlantis story. She has no place. Just because she is rumored to be missing from the SG1 movie doesn't mean you should crowbar her into the SGA movie. There's no reason for it. What would she possibly do in the SGA universe that would contribute to the story?

She is a relic hunter and a thief, so

Enemy at the gate - spoiler

Spoiler:

maybe she wants some souvenir from Atlantis as she planned earlier...

[jrd231]

This would be better than nothing. Maybe she will be the main star in SG:U. :finger crossed:

Once again, from a writing and story perspective, why would Vala be the lead character in SGU? Why would her character be important to the story?

Vala has no qualities that would make her important to the SGU concept. She's not a military leader. She's doesn't have an abundance of knowledge about the Ancients.

What makes Vala important to SG1 is that she was a host to a Gou'ald which makes her valuable in that she has knowledge of the Gou'ald. She has traveled extensively throughout the Milky Way galaxy and has a number of contacts. In other words she knows people. She knows about a number of cultures throughout the Milky Way due to her extensive travels as a trader and con artist. During the Ori storyline, she spent time in the Ori galaxy and gave birth to the Orici. All of these things contributed to SG1, but are localized to the Milky Way galaxy and the needs of the SG1 team specifically.

All of these things would be irrelevant and wouldn't translate as valuable in SGU. Her skills would be useless and she would just stand around and make snotty comments to people. Vala is a great current SG1 character, but she doesn't translate to any other SG show. The same goes with Tea'lc.

[jrd231]

She is a relic hunter and a thief, so

Enemy at the gate - spoiler

Spoiler:

maybe she wants some souvenir from Atlantis as she planned earlier...

She hunts relics that she knows could be valuable. What does she know about relics in the Pegasus Galaxy? What would her being a theif have to do with the story of SGA? Is she going to steal relics from the Pegasus Galaxy? And if so, how does she know where these relics are? It doesn't make any sense. How can she hunt relics in a part of the galaxy she knows absolutely nothing about, and why is that important to the SGA storyline, which has never been about relics to begin with?

So you want Vala to hunt for a relic in the Atlantis movie? Why? That's what we called crowbarring a character into the story.

[Goauld System Lord]

Vala had earned her place on the team. She briengs something special into the whole mix, and without her SG - 1 won't be the same, it will be very different, and not in a better way. You guys have my full support.

I second this opinion. Vala (and Claudia Black) has indeed worked hard to earn her place with SG-1. To not include her in the third movie would be an insult to Ms. Black and to Stargate fans everywhere!

[Platschu]

All of these things would be irrelevant and wouldn't translate as valuable in SGU. Her skills would be useless and she would just stand around and make snotty comments to people. Vala is a great current SG1 character, but she doesn't translate to any other SG show. The same goes with Tea'lc.

Ok, I understood, but I never liked when Atlantis and SG-1 is so separated. Our heroes live in a common scifi world, so I need some cross-over to see who can the writers handle as they meet with each other. Pegaus Project had one of the most positive fan reaction...

Vala has so many opportunities, because her character is so colorful and well played. She could fit into Destiny as an other perspective on the ship next to the military vs. science. I hope we have chance to see her again in somewhere later. I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

[jrd231]

Ok, I understood, but I never liked when Atlantis and SG-1 is so separated. Our heroes live in a common scifi world, so I need some cross-over to see who can the writers handle as they meet with each other. Pegaus Project had one of the most positive fan reaction...

Vala has so many opportunities, because her character is so colorful and well played. She could fit into Destiny as an other perspective on the ship next to the military vs. science. I hope we have chance to see her again in somewhere later. I didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings.

You're not hurting anyone's feelings, you're just not looking at it from an objective point of view. You like Vala, therefor you believe she fits anywhere to fulfill a need to see more Vala. It's understandable, but not logical. I like Tea'lc, but I don't think he should join BSG because he has a unique perspective. Every character on TV can bring a different perspective to the table, but it doesn't warrant them being added to the cast of a show. Although Stargate takes place in the same general universe across all incarnations, that doesn't mean you should mesh shows together to prove it. We know they do, and that's enough. You simply handle those things off screen and can make on screen references when needed.

Just because they take place in the same scifi universe doesn't mean crossover are warranted. It just means they take place in the same scifi universe.

[Runciter]

If the decision was made by producers and writers then it would be an insult to all her fans and even to Claudia as well. There are people out there who don't know anything about feelings and respect for actors and actresses.
If the decision was made by Claudia we should respect that because she would be working on another TV show where producers and writers really love her more than others close to the Stargate. Maybe we could see her on Life again as a regular cast member, I don't know but I'm going to find the answer.
As I said before, all my support is for Claudia Black and the beautiful characters she has played in Stargate SG-1.

[Platschu]

Okay, than I will write it directly, not only hints:

5x20 Enemy at the gate spoiler

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

Atlantis will be on Earth.

I doubt she and SG-1 won't visit and study the city... So this is a great opportunity to make an SG-1 cameo or a complete cross-over as

Spoiler:

they will bring the city back to the Pegasus galaxy.

Maybe Vala can help to find ZPMs in MW. Or maybe she will be on the board of Hammond to help Sam to escort the city. So she can play a supportive role in the first Atlantis movie, but naturally she will return to MW, where she belongs.

[jrd231]

Okay, than I will write it directly, not only hints:

5x20 Enemy at the gate spoiler

I decided to wait until the episode this Friday instead of reading spoilers, which I do for almost all episodes. I guess I'll have to wait and see.

[Nightspore]

Vala should definitely be in the third SG-1 movie. She is a member of the team, and whether this movie is Jack-centric or not, she still belongs in it. If it was CB's decision, fine, but we deserve to know why she won't be a part of this.

I don't agree that you (all the yous that post here apparently) deserve to know why she won't be a part of this. Where does the idea come from that you deserve this knowledge? The main assumption seems to be that it's BW who doesn't want Claudia; that he is the big bad one in all of this. There's the possibility that perhaps CB does not WANT to be a part of it, wants too much money, thinks the writing is bad, or a myriad of other reasons.

Most people here are ready to blame BW totally and DEMAND to have this all explained to them. As BW said, online fandom is negligible in terms of providing the kind of financial success they need for a movie like this. Casual viewers will buy it or they won't, but they are not going to "demand" that they be privy to these kinds of decisions.

If you really want to save Vala and have her in the 3rd movie, the best way to go about it (I think) would be to contact BW and explain your feelings to him, why it is best to have her in the movie, instead of demanding things and condemning the man without knowing the facts.

[Automission]

instead of demanding things and condemning the man without knowing the facts.

So that is why we would like to know the facts, before we go all out and condemn him. You will have noticed most of us are saying, IF Bw want's her out as he doesn't like the character, it's stupid. If it's due to CB not wanting to do SG1 anymore, then we accept her decision.

[DJFavorite]

So that is why we would like to know the facts, before we go all out and condemn him. You will have noticed most of us are saying, IF Bw want's her out as he doesn't like the character, it's stupid. If it's due to CB not wanting to do SG1 anymore, then we accept her decision.

I agree, most of us are only going by what and how BW has stated that CB won't be in the movie. But it is vague and we would like to know more before we start blaming BW (if that would be the case). Again, I think we all hope that her not being there is a choice of her making and not because SG PTB have made the decision not to have her. (which would be a outrage!)

[Jumper_One]

Yes, we are not so important to them but I don't believe they don't care online communities at all like you say. Else what's the reason of JM's blog and Q/A sessions, what's reasons of Gateworld's special interviews etc.

Anyway we're getting off topic, I guess, so I shall stop now.

true. however...

“Were you surprised by the reaction of fans to the announcement of the cancellation of SGA and the start-up of SGU?”

BW: No. You guys are actually pretty predictable (take no offense, most fan groups are). Unfortunately, you represent a very small portion of the actual viewing audience we need for financial success.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/...our-questions/

I just don't get why the writers continue to do these things when the result is always the same. People are upset and they lose viewers over it. There is never a good reason for it, either. Despite the poor direction and the fact they never flushed out Ford's character in season 1, fans still loved him. Carson Becket was an absolute fan favorite, who I believe fell victim to the fact that the writers wanted to emulate BSG in the belief that killing somebody off arbitrarily will make people like the show more.

agreed

I still can't think of a reason why they got rid of Weir, either. They've done nothing but try to replace Weir with leaders who people liked less in that lead role.

folks seem to like Woolsey

Carter is a great SG character, but people didn't like her nearly as much in the Atlantis leader role as Weir and Woolsey still can't compare to the popularity of Weir.

Weir was administrator for 3 years, of course she's more popular than Sam or Woolsey (1 year)

You would think the writers would be in touch with their fanbase, but it really appears as if they aren't.

I think at least Joe's very much in touch with the fanbase

They've never removed a regular character without a huge backlash and loss of viewership, so you have to wonder why they continue to do it.

wrong

s3 - 1.9 million viewers
s4 - 2.0 million viewers
s5 - 2.1 million viewers

BW said she won't be in the third SG-1 movie. But! A solution could be that Vala should be in the first Atlantis movie! That would be awesome, because I always wanted to see Vala/Teyla or Vala/Ronon scenes. But if I imagine what could happen at a Vala/McKay scene after Pegasus Project, than I began to smile.

The best scenario would be that she became the member of Destiny's crew in SG:U... So she can't be in any DVD films... But I feel it won't happen.

David writes: “Are you guys planning on having Vala make a guest appearance on Atlantis?”

Answer: Sorry. No plans for Vala in Atlantis.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/...rific-top-ten/

I know this is from april 2008 but if they had no plans for a Vala appearance in the show then she most certainly won't appear in Atlantis movies imo

This would be better than nothing. Maybe she will be the main star in SG:U. :finger crossed:

FargateOne writes: “1. TV is a business. Do a space show costs a lot more than vampires, paranormal or angels stories. Is it correct to say that MGM wanted to invest money in only one space show and finally, planets were aligned to put money in SGU since Farscape ended, Star Trek ended, Firefly ended, Battlestar Galactica ended etc. ?
2.This one is more a wish than a question (maybe too early to ask) but, do you have plans for Claudia Black or Ben Browder in Stargate Universe?”

BW: Yes, to the first question and no to the second.

http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/...our-questions/

So that is why we would like to know the facts, before we go all out and condemn him. You will have noticed most of us are saying, IF Bw want's her out as he doesn't like the character, it's stupid. If it's due to CB not wanting to do SG1 anymore, then we accept her decision.

he doesn't?

[Automission]

he doesn't?

It is the current explanation the majority are going by. I'm sticking with it until I'm proven wrong. With him officially stating it, not just someone saying there's no evidence to say he does hate her.

[Acolyte Of Bli'l'ab]

Definitly in, I barely ever relate to characters in films and tv-shows. Vala is one of the few I actually do relate to, so I am dissapointed in her not being in the third-movie, its one of the few things id of looked forward to in the new film.

Also props for writing one of the best posts iv seen here in a long time.