S10: Critique & Contemplation

[smurf]

Sam was always a pilot as well as a scientist, as she made a point of during Children of the Gods. It's the sort of thing you'd do if you want to be an astronaut.

I always thought Jack could fly, but not enough to have his pilot wings. Did we see him fly anything other than alien tech based planes/ships?

Mitchell is Mitchell. I think we can assume that he didn't have to go through the SG specific training that everyone else now has to.

[Jackie]

For Jack to get his pilot wings he only needs the basic. I always thought Jack had flight experience but nothing along the line of crack pilot...just pilot.

receiving wings comes at the end of flight school...or whatever type of specialty air support the airman goes through.

Even navigators get wings...along with para jumpers. (used to at least)

In order to fly the shuttle you need to be one of the best pilots out there. Then NASA adds their own training on top of that.

Sam wanting to fly the shuttle would have to make her a very good pilot. Of course, she is also an engineer, scientist, navigator, physicist, the list goes on and on...

Out of all the character on sg-1 I found Hammond and Frasier the most believable. They did what thier jobs entitled and weren't supper soldiers. That's why those two made stargate so powerful IMO. When Fraiser and Hammond spoke, the whole room took notice. The characters had the ability to connect with the audience.

[suse]

For Jack to get his pilot wings he only needs the basic. I always thought Jack had flight experience but nothing along the line of crack pilot...just pilot.

receiving wings comes at the end of flight school...or whatever type of specialty air support the airman goes through.

Even navigators get wings...along with para jumpers. (used to at least)

In order to fly the shuttle you need to be one of the best pilots out there. Then NASA adds their own training on top of that.

Sam wanting to fly the shuttle would have to make her a very good pilot. Of course, she is also an engineer, scientist, navigator, physicist, the list goes on and on...

Out of all the character on sg-1 I found Hammond and Frasier the most believable. They did what thier jobs entitled and weren't supper soldiers. That's why those two made stargate so powerful IMO. When Fraiser and Hammond spoke, the whole room took notice. The characters had the ability to connect with the audience.

As much as I liked Hammond and Frasier I hardly would have kept watching if i had only connected with those two. They just weren't there enough.

i connected with the whole team. Some more than others, yes. but... it was the chemistry of SG-1 that made the show. Sure they were too talented. Goes with the territory for this type of show. It's over-writing the new guy to be so much better than the others that they are in awe of him that did it for me. Where do they (TPTB) get off? What an insult.

suse

[gateraid]

Hammond and Frasier had that 'x' factor. I agree, I wouldn't have wanted to see them 24/7, but their roles don't require that anyway. Heroes pissed me off a lot because it shifted the focus to the S/J ship instead of the loss of a character.

I never realised how much I missed Hammond/Don until TRNT (s10). It's a shame he didn't get more screen time in that. Unfortunately during s1-7 he always had the 'TPTB want you gone so O'Neill can take over' vibe hanging over his head. Weir had the same vibe, just with the IOA.

Jack as a super pilot I could see before he entered the program. It would be one of the things that got his foot in the door, mostly due to it allowing his rapid accelleration up the ranks. Carter, well, given her career path at the inception of the SG program, it is conceiveable at least that she could have been those things. Although now that you point it out, given that career path (to NASA) Carter should really have been a better pilot than O'Neill, but we only got to see her actually pilot a craft on a handful of occassions.

Jonas had 'special mental abilities' that meant he could pick things up faster. Initially, I thought they may have been positioning him to be smarter than Carter. Daniel, well I guess that was just to entice MS back....

What the hell was my point? Oh yes, they made less of an effort with characters in s9-s10. The earlier characters may have been 'brilliant' but still believable. Later on, not so much. It seemed that they couldn't be bothered with the small details, forgetting that they are what makes any character credible

[Jackie]

My comment about friaser and Hammond was made in the realm of consistency and believability...not who carried the show. They were a support role, RDA is who carried the show.

[gateraid]

My comment about friaser and Hammond was made in the realm of consistency and believability...not who carried the show. They were a support role, RDA is who carried the show.

yeah i meant to say that but it all just turned to custard
some people just shouldn't post

[jckfan55]

One point: remember that not all astronauts are pilots. I did a quick search and found a few USAF astronaut candidates (and other military branches) that were listed as "mission specialists." I see that as more likely to be Carter's role than pilot of a shuttle.

Re: Hammond and Fraiser. They were extremely strong supporting players. They rounded out the world SG1 operated in. Landry really made me appreciate Hammond all the more. Poor Beau got stuck in the hash that was S8 & 10.

The thing I liked with Fraiser is that she started out having a small role but they let us get to know her. Also, just because they liked TR (lots of great comments about her on commentaries) they didn't add her to the team or make her appear in every episode. I think there was some judgment there that they haven't shown in Atlantis and didn't (obviously) in S9 & 10.

(She wasn't a "regular," but I am still bitter about them killing her off. I mostly thought that episode was well done (except for that S/J moment). But dang, what a loss to the show for a "dramatic moment." What the push was to all of a sudden get "realistic," I don't know.

[Silverwings]

What the push was to all of a sudden get "realistic," I don't know.

Some dude in a suit and a corner office saw the numbers for Lost and figured it'd be cool to kill people. Or something like that.

[suse]

Out of all the character on sg-1 I found Hammond and Frasier the most believable. They did what thier jobs entitled and weren't supper soldiers. That's why those two made stargate so powerful IMO. When Fraiser and Hammond spoke, the whole room took notice. The characters had the ability to connect with the audience.

As much as I liked Hammond and Frasier I hardly would have kept watching if i had only connected with those two. They just weren't there enough.

i connected with the whole team. Some more than others, yes. but... it was the chemistry of SG-1 that made the show. Sure they were too talented. Goes with the territory for this type of show. It's over-writing the new guy to be so much better than the others that they are in awe of him that did it for me. Where do they (TPTB) get off? What an insult.

suse

My comment about friaser and Hammond was made in the realm of consistency and believability...not who carried the show. They were a support role, RDA is who carried the show.

Note that I said that I thought it was the chemistry of SG-1 that made the show. IMO

RDA? Who's he again?

yeah i meant to say that but it all just turned to custard
some people just shouldn't post

Explain that comment please.

suse

[gateraid]

Note that I said that I thought it was the chemistry of SG-1 that made the show. IMO

RDA? Who's he again?



Explain that comment please.

suse

I thought that was an international expression? Guess not. I meant that i had meant to write something in the vein of what Jackie posted, but it didn't turn out that way (it was a freakin mess). And the some people shouldn't post comment was referring to myself. I was having a bad GW day

[Fresh_Horse]

One point: remember that not all astronauts are pilots. I did a quick search and found a few USAF astronaut candidates (and other military branches) that were listed as "mission specialists." I see that as more likely to be Carter's role than pilot of a shuttle.

There are pilots, mission specialists and payload specialists.
I don't think it was ever said that Carter wanted to "fly" the shuttle. What I remember from Secrets is that she wanted to be an astronaut but that does not mean she wanted to be a pilot of the shuttle.

I still regret the fact that they never did more with the whole "Sam wanted to be an astronaut".
I really loved the one scene in season 6 where Jonas is all smiles and Sam or Jack ask him what he is smiling about. Jonas: "It's my first time in space!"

Yeah! I never got that from SG 1. They were always so blasé about things.
Going trough a wormhole to a different planet is mighty cool. Going into space and seeing said planet from space is even cooler.
Just my 2 cents.

[silly sally]

There are pilots, mission specialists and payload specialists.
I don't think it was ever said that Carter wanted to "fly" the shuttle. What I remember from Secrets is that she wanted to be an astronaut but that does not mean she wanted to be a pilot of the shuttle.

I still regret the fact that they never did more with the whole "Sam wanted to be an astronaut".
I really loved the one scene in season 6 where Jonas is all smiles and Sam or Jack ask him what he is smiling about. Jonas: "It's my first time in space!"

Yeah! I never got that from SG 1. They were always so blasé about things.
Going trough a wormhole to a different planet is mighty cool. Going into space and seeing said planet from space is even cooler.
Just my 2 cents.

We'll find out in Continuum

[RealmOfX]

silly sally would you please use spoiler space like you are supposed to!!

[jckfan55]

I really loved the one scene in season 6 where Jonas is all smiles and Sam or Jack ask him what he is smiling about. Jonas: "It's my first time in space!"

Yeah! I never got that from SG 1. They were always so blasé about things.
Going trough a wormhole to a different planet is mighty cool. Going into space and seeing said planet from space is even cooler.
Just my 2 cents.

I don't think they got blasé til the later seasons. Wasn't it the S2 opener when they escaped from Aphophis' ship and are floating above Earth in Death Gliders and look down at Earth. I thought that was a great moment.
By S9 & 10 it was like it was all a big *romp.* Another of my objections to those seasons.

[Jackie]

In early sg-1...being in space was more like a treat or something new for the team. By 9 and 10...it was a cheap knock of star trek.

I recall reading a blog or article where CJ was making reference to SG-1 being "Star Trek's ugly cousin." Struck me as odd cause stargate initially was nowhere's near star trek. Two completely different shows.

I can't help but wonder if the changes in seaon 9 and 10 were infact an attempt to really "trek" the show after I read the off hand comment.

Do tptb think so little of the show's established canon that the deliberitly had to change it into a knock of version of Galaxy Quest?

Maybe tptb shouldn't be making stargate then.