Originally posted by L.A. Doyle
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I'm trying to figure out what the heck I think and I am confusing myself. 
I think in D&C it was more fear than shame. I do think they both felt shame because they had feelings that were inappropriate, but the point is, they had feelings. That has to count for something. Sam was put in the same position as Jack in having to tell how she felt, she had to feel the same way he did. If she thought he was ashamed for loving her, she had to feel the same shame, because she loved him back. She gave them a chance to keep those feelings in the room because they needed to put a stop to it before it went any further. It had to scare the crud out of them-what they had though had been harmless flirting and fun was really much deeper. That they both felt the same thing and it wasn't one sided. So they backed off.
And I don't really think Sam felt Jack was repulsed by his feelings or thought Jack had a problem with *her*. Otherwise, I think they would have never been able to still work so well together. Jack did pull back in the feelings department(as did she), but he still showed her respect and pride. He still trusted her explicitly. He even occasionally flirted with her and still offered to take her fishing. Heck, he even told her she was a national treasure. (To say she never felt worthless except when it came to being loved(romantically) but I don't think that really started coming in to play until S7. Up until then, I think she'd been pretty content with her life(the work-a-holic)) I think she was oblivious to the little ways he showed her he still cared. I think their feelings scared them both to the point of it seeming like there wasn't anything between them at all. She really probably thought he moved on. It might not have dawned on her he was protecting her and not feeling worthy himself. It had nothing to do with her as a person-Jack thinks the world of her. And while I think shame does play in there somewhere, I guess I don't see it to as great an extent.
Then BTS, not long after D&C...if there were any uncertainties on Sam's part about how Jack felt...they had to be answered somewhat here. They had been together on a planet. They had been close, the relationship had been easy, they'd had feelings for each other. It was an open, honest relationship. Despite no memories, Jack did remember feeling something for her. Sam, when she remembers everything, has to think for a second that his feelings are so deep that even while he couldn't remember the rest of his team or his real life, he remembered her. He remembered feeling something for her. I don't think Sam could have chalked it all up to them not being themselves. Not with all the siring and ranks being thrown around there at the end. The shame is because of their ranks and positions. It's not because he hates his feelings for her, but the rules that won't let them love. The saddness in his voice at the end, that they have to go back to that military life. He's not ashamed of his feelings or her, it's just he knows he shouldn't feel the way he does, and that he hates the rules are going to keep them apart again. I don't know if Sam really got that then either, but it had to give her food for thought.
Do you ever read some posts and want to say something but you can't formulate what you really want to say so you just ramble? That's what I just did.
I just love the way they look at each other there.
I think in D&C it was more fear than shame. I do think they both felt shame because they had feelings that were inappropriate, but the point is, they had feelings. That has to count for something. Sam was put in the same position as Jack in having to tell how she felt, she had to feel the same way he did. If she thought he was ashamed for loving her, she had to feel the same shame, because she loved him back. She gave them a chance to keep those feelings in the room because they needed to put a stop to it before it went any further. It had to scare the crud out of them-what they had though had been harmless flirting and fun was really much deeper. That they both felt the same thing and it wasn't one sided. So they backed off.
And I don't really think Sam felt Jack was repulsed by his feelings or thought Jack had a problem with *her*. Otherwise, I think they would have never been able to still work so well together. Jack did pull back in the feelings department(as did she), but he still showed her respect and pride. He still trusted her explicitly. He even occasionally flirted with her and still offered to take her fishing. Heck, he even told her she was a national treasure. (To say she never felt worthless except when it came to being loved(romantically) but I don't think that really started coming in to play until S7. Up until then, I think she'd been pretty content with her life(the work-a-holic
)) I think she was oblivious to the little ways he showed her he still cared. I think their feelings scared them both to the point of it seeming like there wasn't anything between them at all. She really probably thought he moved on. It might not have dawned on her he was protecting her and not feeling worthy himself. It had nothing to do with her as a person-Jack thinks the world of her. And while I think shame does play in there somewhere, I guess I don't see it to as great an extent. Then BTS, not long after D&C...if there were any uncertainties on Sam's part about how Jack felt...they had to be answered somewhat here. They had been together on a planet. They had been close, the relationship had been easy, they'd had feelings for each other. It was an open, honest relationship. Despite no memories, Jack did remember feeling something for her. Sam, when she remembers everything, has to think for a second that his feelings are so deep that even while he couldn't remember the rest of his team or his real life, he remembered her. He remembered feeling something for her. I don't think Sam could have chalked it all up to them not being themselves. Not with all the siring and ranks being thrown around there at the end. The shame is because of their ranks and positions. It's not because he hates his feelings for her, but the rules that won't let them love. The saddness in his voice at the end, that they have to go back to that military life. He's not ashamed of his feelings or her, it's just he knows he shouldn't feel the way he does, and that he hates the rules are going to keep them apart again. I don't know if Sam really got that then either, but it had to give her food for thought.
Do you ever read some posts and want to say something but you can't formulate what you really want to say so you just ramble? That's what I just did.
I just love the way they look at each other there.
At the time of D&C, he would have felt totally undeserving of Sam and since he did care for her, he would never try to burden her with what he would perceive as his demons.
Can you imagine the nightmares that man probably has???? Black Ops and child's death???? Speaking all of the above from the time period of D&C because, of course, Sam has helped him put a big ol' scab over those wounds that is healing nicely.
Good one! Very enjoyable!
*he makes me play tennis with him and then expects me to bring new balls...yeah ummm so not happening* anyways I don't know if I will be back exactly at Midnight Netherlands time so I will post this an hour ish early (its almost May 11th...and it is May 11th for Chelle and the other Aussies and time zones all they way up till Jann's
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