Originally posted by JenniferJF
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Since the thread is slow (and it's WoW Server maintenance day), I figured I'd stir things up a bit. Not picking on you, Buc, but you were the last to express these very common S/J shipper sentiments:
I've avoided mentioning it but, like I said, the thread is slow. Having watched Chimaera live when it was first aired as a non-S/J shipper, I had never even considered Pete as a shipper until I found online S/J fandom. Before that I saw him as actually rather sweet, in that around him Sam finally seemed to smile and relax (even if it was a bit forced). What shippers refer to as his stalking her I took as not truly being pathological and 'evil' but rather a symptom of his neediness and desire to be accepted and loved. As for the illegality of searching Sam's background, I do know from my husband's stint as a PI that most of that sort of information is available to anyone who signs up and registers for access to it through many publically available websites due to the Freedom of Information Act and so I never really saw it as breaking the law but rather one friend asking another to access data he had available to him as a favor. (though in retrospect I do agree it was at least bending the rules.)
So I've honestly always thought Pete got a bit of a bad rap with shippers, especially as in retrospect I think all the 'wrongness', both Pete's grasping for Sam and inability to just accept who she was and the secrets she had, and Sam's accepting his neediness and basically ignoring it, show the relationship was dysfunctional from inception and more an attempt by both of them to fill empty spaces in their lives than a true loving and romantic relationship.
And, really, I think Sam did more wrong (or at least as much wrong) in the relationship as Pete. She was, after all, using him terribly. The fact that he went along with it - even admitting later he knew she wasn't in love with him - doesn't imho absolve her of blame. She in effect led him on, and I have a feeling if the gender roles were reversed and Pete were the beloved regular on a series instead of Sam, she would be painted as the villainess of the piece instead of him.
*ducks*
See, I think the commitment and the sex were necessary. Commitment and sex, imho, were exactly what Sam was missing in her life and exactly what she was using Pete for. After all, she has a 'relationship' with the man she loved, they were very good friends, together more often probably than not considering their working relationship, and so I think rather than risk that 'sure thing' who she believed would always be there for her in that capacity by trying for more with him, she tried to find someone else who could give her those two things Jack couldn't. And so it was specifically in those two areas she had to learn no one but Jack could satisfy
I've avoided mentioning it but, like I said, the thread is slow. Having watched Chimaera live when it was first aired as a non-S/J shipper, I had never even considered Pete as a shipper until I found online S/J fandom. Before that I saw him as actually rather sweet, in that around him Sam finally seemed to smile and relax (even if it was a bit forced). What shippers refer to as his stalking her I took as not truly being pathological and 'evil' but rather a symptom of his neediness and desire to be accepted and loved. As for the illegality of searching Sam's background, I do know from my husband's stint as a PI that most of that sort of information is available to anyone who signs up and registers for access to it through many publically available websites due to the Freedom of Information Act and so I never really saw it as breaking the law but rather one friend asking another to access data he had available to him as a favor. (though in retrospect I do agree it was at least bending the rules.)
So I've honestly always thought Pete got a bit of a bad rap with shippers, especially as in retrospect I think all the 'wrongness', both Pete's grasping for Sam and inability to just accept who she was and the secrets she had, and Sam's accepting his neediness and basically ignoring it, show the relationship was dysfunctional from inception and more an attempt by both of them to fill empty spaces in their lives than a true loving and romantic relationship.
And, really, I think Sam did more wrong (or at least as much wrong) in the relationship as Pete. She was, after all, using him terribly. The fact that he went along with it - even admitting later he knew she wasn't in love with him - doesn't imho absolve her of blame. She in effect led him on, and I have a feeling if the gender roles were reversed and Pete were the beloved regular on a series instead of Sam, she would be painted as the villainess of the piece instead of him.
*ducks*
See, I think the commitment and the sex were necessary. Commitment and sex, imho, were exactly what Sam was missing in her life and exactly what she was using Pete for. After all, she has a 'relationship' with the man she loved, they were very good friends, together more often probably than not considering their working relationship, and so I think rather than risk that 'sure thing' who she believed would always be there for her in that capacity by trying for more with him, she tried to find someone else who could give her those two things Jack couldn't. And so it was specifically in those two areas she had to learn no one but Jack could satisfy
That's great! And it makes me think of Pete too, especially the last 3 bubbles!
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