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**djay** · 07 May 2007, 12:41 AM

From JM's blog:

Elodie writes: “Is there any chance to see Mitchell, Daniel and Vala in Atlantis season 4? Will we see Chaya Sar (the ascended being in season 1) in season 4?”

Answers: Possibly and no

Maybe we will get lucky!

DJAY

**djay** · 07 May 2007, 12:45 AM

Smutty fic, Gioia!
There's no stopping you now (*Eeeeek!*)

WELCOME, Ceekay!
And great job on your first fic.

DJAY

**gioia** · 07 May 2007, 12:54 AM

Originally posted by djay View Post

From JM's blog:

Elodie writes: “Is there any chance to see Mitchell, Daniel and Vala in Atlantis season 4? Will we see Chaya Sar (the ascended being in season 1) in season 4?”

Answers: Possibly and no

Maybe we will get lucky!

DJAY

Oh, would be good seeing them at Atlantis once a while..

Originally posted by djay View Post

Smutty fic, Gioia!
There's no stopping you now (*Eeeeek!*)

Heh!! Y'all will be suffering from me and my pretty dirty mind from now on

Edit: Btw, 24 is on air tonight in USA?
Will we see some nekkid MS soon?

**isabelqc** · 07 May 2007, 02:22 AM

Originally posted by LC_ View Post

Yep agree on every single point(oh big surprise that I'm still here eh,lol)...'cept for Ark of Truth.

Spoiler:

Okay I really am going now...to bed.
see ya'll in the morning...and I make a little prayer that Kales will be back amongst us tomorrow...'cuz I really miss her fiction, Isabel's and getting my own stuff betaed.
LC

Very true what you said about the AoT, it's just of those little fears I have. It does make sense what you said about how they might wrap that story line up.

Spoiler:

Originally posted by CeeKay Sheppard View Post

What did you feed the bunny, Miracle-Gro?

Short but complete: my first Daniel/Vala fic.

Yay...*goes read*

Originally posted by Stef View Post

Interesting interpretation. I guess I am just an optimist because...

Spoiler:

...I don't see them killing off Vala, in any way, shape, or form. It's not even a thought that has ever crossed my mind. These are the reasons why I personally don't think they'd go there:

A) She's a favorite character for the writers to write, and they LOVE CB and the energy she's brought to the show. Plus, we have a lot of TPTB that are DV shippers. They screwed up S/J, do you really think they'd screw over another ship like that?

B) She adds humor, and everyone from RCC to JM have said they like the different aspect she has brought to the show. I mean, they praise her and BB for bringing SG-1 back to life....so it would seem strange that they would kill off one of the characters/actors that they credit for the last two seasons' success. Besides, they just spent a whole season trying to make Vala a part of the team...would they really make that all for nothing by just killing her off simply to provide more drama? Are there not other characters whose deaths would have a bigger impact? With the g'oauld storyline over, I'd say Teal'c would be a stronger candidate for death. His death would provide a bigger impact for fans.

C) This movie is supposed to be a stand-alone, a way of allowing non-fans to get into the show/franchise. Kiling off a character in the movie would be a little off-putting, especially since there will have been no connection to that character (since she'll be Qetesh the whole time). If she were to die in ANY movie, it would be The Ark of Truth since it's Vala-heavy. Unless they plan on giving Vala some sort of significant character arc in this movie, I don't think they'd kill her off.

D) Daniel has already lost one woman he loves. That's the thing that really makes me doubt this. Writers, as much as they love drama, would not do that to Daniel again....especially not after they showed Daniel saying how hard it's been for him to move on these past ten years. That statement says to me that Vala is supposed to be an almost redemption for Daniel...a chance for him to find love again. For them to kill Vala off would just send him back to that place he was in before he met her, it would be a regression in his character rather than a progression. So I really can't see the writers doing that to Daniel again.

The thing about Sha're's death was that it created a driving force for Daniel to join SG-1 again, what would Vala's death really accomplish other than create angst for another movie that they're not even sure they're going to be making at this point? The writers have written DV in a very cyclical way. Daniel started out the show losing his wife, only to end it finding a new love again. So, I see Continuum being a way of Daniel finally being able to do something he was never able to do before, save the woman he loves. I think that if they killed Vala off, that would just show how little the writers have matured....that they are still using the same tropes from 8 years ago to create drama.

Just my take on things

I hope what I said makes sense....and maybe offers some hope

-Stef

ITA. They completely make sense. You mentioned every single point I've thought about, and elaborated on others. I especially agree with you on that last bit about the writers.

Originally posted by djay View Post

From JM's blog:

Elodie writes: “Is there any chance to see Mitchell, Daniel and Vala in Atlantis season 4? Will we see Chaya Sar (the ascended being in season 1) in season 4?”

Answers: Possibly and no

Maybe we will get lucky!

DJAY

AWESOME POSSUM!!!

EDIT: CeeKay Sheppard Just read... aww! That was so sweet. Sha're would want her Daniel to find happiness again. Great start.

**CeeKay Sheppard** · 07 May 2007, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by poundpuppy29 View Post

just read and reviewed great start

Thanks!

It's done, though––nothing more coming on that one. But definitely more D/V fics in the future.

Originally posted by MaeveBran View Post

Loved it. that is so what I feel Sha're would be saying to Daniel if she could.

Thank you. It's as much my thought process as hers

––I've been diehard Daniel/Sha'uri for a long time.

Originally posted by gioia View Post

CeeKay, loved it much.
liked how Sha're saw the difference between her Dan-yel and the Daniel we know now. Even if in deep down he's still our Daniel, he's changed much along ten years, which is why i like him that much in the first place. I hate when a character in a tv show, doesn't show any progress and stay in the same way all the time. It's just plain boring and not so natural, people change all the time and I like to see it onscreen. Sometimes I wonder If this sceptical Daniel would have loved Sha're if they had met at S9-S10. But I believe no, he couldn't have. He might have found her a little plain.. anyway, i don't know, i'm fanwanking here.

Thank you! I agree with you on all counts. Character development is a must––that's why my two favorite Star Trek characters are Julian Bashir and Data: they showed more development than anyone else (it's also why I lost interest in Law & Order). I don't think Daniel now could have fallen in love with Sha'uri, either... though I have to wonder what he'd think, how he'd react, if confronted with that idea.

Originally posted by djay View Post

WELCOME, Ceekay!
And great job on your first fic.

Thanks on both counts!

Originally posted by isabelqc View Post

Spoiler:

Originally posted by isabelqc View Post

EDIT: CeeKay Sheppard Just read... aww! That was so sweet. Sha're would want her Daniel to find happiness again. Great start.

Thanks!

Thank you all for the feedback! (((hugs to all))) I feel I should probably explain the "cold heart" comment––I had a sneaking suspicion it would be a little controversial. I qualified it with "when you need it," because I almost never see it on a personal level. But the Daniel of the early seasons would have fought tooth and nail (such as he could) against the idea of genocide, but IIRC, he never once objected to the thought of wiping out the Ori. True, there is likely no other way of stopping them, but I still think that six or seven years ago, at least his initial reaction would have been "Hell, no!" That's the sort of thing I was referring to. He really has become a soldier in a lot of ways, and a little cold-heartedness is necessary.

Does that make any sense at all?

**gioia** · 07 May 2007, 04:42 AM

Originally posted by CeeKay Sheppard View Post

Thank you! I agree with you on all counts. Character development is a must––that's why my two favorite Star Trek characters are Julian Bashir and Data: they showed more development than anyone else (it's also why I lost interest in Law & Order). I don't think Daniel now could have fallen in love with Sha'uri, either... though I have to wonder what he'd think, how he'd react, if confronted with that idea.

Aww, a woman with my heart

Thank you all for the feedback! (((hugs to all))) I feel I should probably explain the "cold heart" comment––I had a sneaking suspicion it would be a little controversial. I qualified it with "when you need it," because I almost never see it on a personal level. But the Daniel of the early seasons would have fought tooth and nail (such as he could) against the idea of genocide, but IIRC, he never once objected to the thought of wiping out the Ori. True, there is likely no other way of stopping them, but I still think that six or seven years ago, at least his initial reaction would have been "Hell, no!" That's the sort of thing I was referring to. He really has become a soldier in a lot of ways, and a little cold-heartedness is necessary.

Does that make any sense at all?

It does make perfect sense.
Daniel sometimes can be a very cynical cold-hearted jerk

But we still love him

**Sun'shyne** · 07 May 2007, 05:42 AM

Gah, I REALLY need to get caught up on episodes.... I'm just finishing S9 and feeling pretty useless in this thread *misses Vala & can't wait for S10 to finish downloading*

So I'll contribute this for now *drools*

**isabelqc** · 07 May 2007, 05:51 AM

Originally posted by CeeKay Sheppard View Post

Thank you all for the feedback! (((hugs to all))) I feel I should probably explain the "cold heart" comment––I had a sneaking suspicion it would be a little controversial. I qualified it with "when you need it," because I almost never see it on a personal level. But the Daniel of the early seasons would have fought tooth and nail (such as he could) against the idea of genocide, but IIRC, he never once objected to the thought of wiping out the Ori. True, there is likely no other way of stopping them, but I still think that six or seven years ago, at least his initial reaction would have been "Hell, no!" That's the sort of thing I was referring to. He really has become a soldier in a lot of ways, and a little cold-heartedness is necessary.

Does that make any sense at all?

Total sense. He's a different person than he was before. A lot of his idealism's about people are gone, but he still has that hope. I think it was Kales that wrote in one of her newer Cam fics, in regards to describing Daniel that his idealism, his drive when helping only happens when he forgets to be cynical.... Of course she wrote it much better, and more eloquently than I have. But yeah, makes total sense.

Originally posted by gioia View Post

Daniel sometimes can be a very cynical cold-hearted jerk

But we still love him

We do! *hugs him*

And MS tonight on "24" *squee!* Can't wait, though I will end up watching it tomorrow- damn the time zones...

**gioia** · 07 May 2007, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by isabelqc View Post

Total sense. He's a different person than he was before. A lot of his idealism's about people are gone, but he still has that hope. I think it was Kales that wrote in one of her newer Cam fics, in regards to describing Daniel that his idealism, his drive when helping only happens when he forgets to be cynical.... Of course she wrote it much better, and more eloquently than I have. But yeah, makes total sense.

Oh, yeah. It was an amazing fic. I strongly reccomend it to people who haven't read it yet.

We do! *hugs him*

And MS tonight on "24" *squee!* Can't wait, though I will end up watching it tomorrow- damn the time zones...

Oh my!! MS nekkidness!! Be still my heart

I'm same like you, Isabel. I've gotta wait too till tomorrow. But I'm sure next morning we'll have some awesome caps to drool on and wet ourselves

**LC_** · 07 May 2007, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by isabelqc View Post

Spoiler:

Oh absolutely a Daniel thing...but I don't think it would be a matter of 'can't feel this way'...I think he's way past the point of being able to kid himself about his feelings...

Spoiler:

but I do think he would make himself keep the distance and be supportive...he might almost leave it until she made some sort of move...but then how likely is that given that she doesn't know his feelings.

SPACE was running the episode today about Jacob blending with Selmak..and something occurred to me about Continuum and whether we ever see the Tok'ra again.

Spoiler:

Also about the Tok'ra...for Dominion

Spoiler:

LC

**gioia** · 07 May 2007, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by LC_ View Post

SPACE was running the episode today about Jacob blending with Selmak..and something occurred to me about Continuum and whether we ever see the Tok'ra again.

Spoiler:

Hah!!, If they do something like that, I'm gonna take a plane, go over to MGM studios and kick their collective a@@es personally

**isabelqc** · 07 May 2007, 06:30 AM

Originally posted by LC_ View Post

Oh absolutely a Daniel thing...but I don't think it would be a matter of 'can't feel this way'...I think he's way past the point of being able to kid himself about his feelings...

Spoiler:

but I do think he would make himself keep the distance and be supportive...he might almost leave it until she made some sort of move...but then how likely is that given that she doesn't know his feelings.

True. The "can't feel this way" is just that Daniel denial that I think he'll have, but he has come to terms with his feelings, in a way... Exactly they're both too afraid to make the first move, which sucks, because we know that they're perfect for each other-- ack! Maybe something happens in one of the movies to push them closer..

Originally posted by LC_ View Post

SPACE was running the episode today about Jacob blending with Selmak..and something occurred to me about Continuum and whether we ever see the Tok'ra again.

Spoiler:

Also about the Tok'ra...for Dominion

Spoiler:

LC

Nope, nope, stop that thought!

I hadn't thought about the Tok'ra but you bring up and interesting point. Will they show up? And Vala did have to spend some time in their company when they took her symbiote out... will we see more of that..? Part of the reason I'm looking forward to Continuum is because we'll get to see this other side of the Vala that was.

Originally posted by gioia View Post

Hah!!, If they do something like that, I'm gonna take a plane, go over to MGM studios and kick their collective a@@es personally

And I will join you!!!!!! KAPAOW!!!!

**gioia** · 07 May 2007, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by isabelqc View Post

True. The "can't feel this way" is just that Daniel denial that I think he'll have, but he has come to terms with his feelings, in a way... Exactly they're both too afraid to make the first move, which sucks, because we know that they're perfect for each other-- ack! Maybe something happens in one of the movies to push them closer..

You know what if that thing 'have feelings but doesn't talk' happens in the movie, I so hope that it won't last much for sake of angst.
They are supposed to be adult. They have to talk their issues and take some decision about it. or they will be like S/J(or any other couples in the dramas)with their-unending-won't they/will they.

There is no sadder thing than watching never-ending angst which has no reason at all.

**DJgirl** · 07 May 2007, 06:52 AM

Good Morning All!!

Welcome Ceekay!! Loved your fic

Originally posted by LC_ View Post

Oh absolutely a Daniel thing...but I don't think it would be a matter of 'can't feel this way'...I think he's way past the point of being able to kid himself about his feelings...

Spoiler:

but I do think he would make himself keep the distance and be supportive...he might almost leave it until she made some sort of move...but then how likely is that given that she doesn't know his feelings.

SPACE was running the episode today about Jacob blending with Selmak..and something occurred to me about Continuum and whether we ever see the Tok'ra again.

Spoiler:

Also about the Tok'ra...for Dominion

Spoiler:

LC

Very interesting thought LC.

**isabelqc** · 07 May 2007, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by gioia View Post

There is no sadder thing than watching never-ending angst which has no reason at all.

Tots-ally agree.

On an other note-- why oh why do I want to keep making icons when I have ch.4 of The Monster to finish?!?!?

I was warned it was addicting... I just didn't realize how much!! ACK!

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