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I just can't help but keep wondering: why the conscious (!) decision to omit what she was saying? Why skip the entire part of her confessing her affection? Was it just cut out, because the episode (or rather the emotional part) was getting too long and taking up too much of the episode? Was her scene ever even written into the script? The audio commentary to the episode doesn't answer the question either, so it is just something that I find highly interesting. What are the motives behind that particular setup of the scene that allows Jack to explicitly tell the audience what he feels, but then leaves Sam's confession as a gap to be filled by the audience?
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Originally posted by IamDKScully View PostA "lie of omission" is still a lie.
I guess it's a matter of opinion. To me a lie is the conscious telling of untrue facts or circumstances. Neither Sam or Jack told something that wasn't true. Neither of them lied.
If you choose not to mention something, it doesn't mean you're lying about it. Of course there are certainly instances and moments (especially with regard to questions asked) where omission can turn into a lie. But I don't see it that way in this particular example.sigpic
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Originally posted by Kimberley Jackson View PostGibbs would certainly disagree with that.
I guess it's a matter of opinion. To me a lie is the conscious telling of untrue facts or circumstances. Neither Sam or Jack told something that wasn't true. Neither of them lied.
If you choose not to mention something, it doesn't mean you're lying about it. Of course there are certainly instances and moments (especially with regard to questions asked) where omission can turn into a lie. But I don't see it that way in this particular example.Unmade Plans (WIP: 11/20):
Sam's life takes a turn in an unexpected direction when she's faced with an unplanned pregnancy. The decision to keep the baby and raise it on her own will alter her life forever. Relationships are put to the test, especially the one between her and Jack. She doesn't know what to expect from him and he surprises her at every turn.
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Originally posted by fems View PostThe zatarc detector disagrees with you!
Besides, Gibbs beats weird alien machine...sigpic
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Originally posted by Kimberley Jackson View PostLater on in the show, in th episode with the camp where Jaffa resisitance and Tok'ra have to live together, they establish that the Za'tarc detector is not exactly reliable and has malfunctioned in the past (with reference to Sam and Jack's test). So I think we can pretty much establish that the Za'tatc detector labeling it as a lie doesn't say anything about whether it is a lie or not.sigpic
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Originally posted by IamDKScully View PostIt's all about the body language and the looks between Jack and Sam during that force shield scene. I've never watched a show where two actors have so much chemistry that they are able to say so much without saying anything at all. It's one of the things I absolutely love about this show. I think the whole team could sit in a room and not speak but easily have a conversation with their eyes and expressions.
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Originally posted by IamDKScully View PostNow...has anyone noticed that Teal'c is SO in the know about Jack and Sam! Watch Metamorphosis and notice his head nod and then how he turns away as Sam lays her head on Jack's shoulder. Look at his face during Divide and Conquer during the Za'tarc test. And, he is there to comfort both Jack and Sam when the other is missing (Paradise Lost and Grace).
Go, re-watch, observe...
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Originally posted by Scofield View PostAll true points Fems. I totally agree their body language is a skill which lacks in nowadays movies. For example, when Sam shows the ring to Jack, only his eyes and the short nod said something like "I regret a lot that it's Pete and not me, but as long as you're happy..". If this situation appeared in a movie from theese days, probably the actor would have said exactly what i wrote betwen "". This would ruin all the beauty and it's also awkward. It would damage as well as the friendship and the potential relation that could have emerged from that situation.
In this series i saw to most intense chemistry betwen characters.
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Originally posted by Kali View PostAgreed. Jack cares so much about Sam that he wants her to be happy even if it's with someone else. There's no jealousy. In the episode where Sam ends up with the ambassador and Sam comes to Jack and tells him that she and her husband couldn't conceive, he wasn't like "well that's what you get," instead he was sad for her and wanted her to be happy. That's true love on his part. But her ending up with someone else because she didn't support Jack when he was against the Aschen shows that he loves her more. Just my opinion.Unmade Plans (WIP: 11/20):
Sam's life takes a turn in an unexpected direction when she's faced with an unplanned pregnancy. The decision to keep the baby and raise it on her own will alter her life forever. Relationships are put to the test, especially the one between her and Jack. She doesn't know what to expect from him and he surprises her at every turn.
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Teal'c is the original shipper! Of course he is their protector and confidante in several episodes.
Also I don't think that Jack is beyond being jealous. Yes, he was sad that she was infertile, but his "what does your dearly beloved ambassador say about all of this?" had more than an edge of jealousy about it.Sam and Jack... Still the best romance on TV in years!
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Originally posted by AmberLM View PostTeal'c is the original shipper! Of course he is their protector and confidante in several episodes.
Also I don't think that Jack is beyond being jealous. Yes, he was sad that she was infertile, but his "what does your dearly beloved ambassador say about all of this?" had more than an edge of jealousy about it.sigpicMy vids Sig made by me
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Originally posted by AmberLM View PostTeal'c is the original shipper! Of course he is their protector and confidante in several episodes.
Also I don't think that Jack is beyond being jealous. Yes, he was sad that she was infertile, but his "what does your dearly beloved ambassador say about all of this?" had more than an edge of jealousy about it.sigpic
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Whatever went down, clearly involved Joe finding out about or at least suspecting Jack's feelings for Sam. Why else would Joe and Jack have their little peeing contest over Sam in the Aschen computer room?Sam and Jack... Still the best romance on TV in years!
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Originally posted by XFchemist View PostI agree, I think he's still pissed off for whatever happened in the past between them, both for her moving away from him and especially for the lack of trust in his opinion about the Aschen.
Plus, he hasn't exactly been supportive of some of his team when they are alone in something - look at how he behaved with Daniel in "Legacy", and with Sam in "Ascension". On the other hand, look at how the team supported him completely in "Smoke & Mirrors" when he was accused of shooting Kinsey. They didn't for one minute believe he did it, even with the evidence pointing to him.
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Originally posted by IamDKScully View PostWow...quiet...
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