Daniel Jackson Discussion and Appreciation

[Sprinkles]

I don't want him to be a reactionary character (which is quite noticeable with Sam lately) but one with mana (status and authority) not just in his own field of expertise but also within the set up of SGC. Damn it the man has given so much of his life to the place, he deserves it.

I Liked his beurgoening relationship with General Landry,

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Especially in Prototype were he is standing besides him breifing him on the situation and then taking a real part in the conversation with Wheelsy (spelling?). I'd like to see more of this

[Dani347]

I Liked his beurgoening relationship with General Landry,

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Especially in Prototype were he is standing besides him breifing him on the situation and then taking a real part in the conversation with Wheelsy (spelling?). I'd like to see more of this

I like his interactions with Landry too. It's, naturally, different from Hammond, who he grew to not only respect, but have a real affection for (I'm thinking especially the scenes in Prometheus Unbound), and also Jack, but it's interesting to watch.

[1DanielForMe]

Indeed. It's interesting seeing how he learns to work with him, talk to him and such, and they're coming up on that bond.

As for the snarkiness, I'm seeing he's much more "up", in general, just lately, and when he is teasy, it's all fun.

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I really feel the situation with the Ori was tensing him out quite a bit. Now that things are basically back to normal, he can get back to normal as well. Of course, he'll still get frustrated with things, and such, but there isn't that constant feeling of desperation, potential despair.

What about the burning scene? No pep talk (kind of an awkward moment for one ) but definitely caring.

Oh, but no more caring stuff like that. I can't take it!
I'd much rather just see him being able to help people and like that, and not having to watch them die or be tortured or whatever horrible thing! To be sure, as bad as that stuff is, seeing Daniel's reaction to it is even worse!

[StarDreamer]

wow, some great things said- I'm not sure what to add!

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about the Ripple Effect scenes that were cut out - I haven't read them yet, so I had no idea about the Daniel/Sha're thing. I would have like to have seen that.. I think it would have been emotional and a great scene for Daniel. And what better way to take us back to the beginning and the roots of why Daniel is even there. She was his motivation for joining SG1, and he's a pretty important part of the team!

I agree about not wanting to see him as a "reactionary" or passive character. I like watching his reactions and how he is affected by things, but

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One of my favorite scenes this season is in The Powers That Be where Daniel is standing up to the Prior, arguing his points. I love seeing him stand up intellectually as well as standing up to physical power.

[Captain-Peregrine]

I feel like Daniel has been changing since season eight. He is having fewer and fewer of his Daniel-moments. I think it's because we are no longer really exploring the universe. We are just sort of wheeling around the same couple of planets talking to people we've already talked to. And I know Daniel totally has every right to be the way he is now, but it just feels to me as if he is growing more distant, less compassionate, less enthusiastic and cheerful. It feels to me almost more as if he's just started to shrug and go "okay, whatever. That was fun let's go hom." That wasn't how Daniel used to be. You used to have to drag him off of another planet kicking and screaming and even then he would be talking your ear off about it for another two weeks after the fact.

Another thing that my sister mentioned the other day is that we haven't seen any real Daniel-archeologist moments. There's no more of his talking so fast that he's interupting himself and tripping over his own words. I mean, I know people change over nine years of seeing what he's seen, but a man like that just doesn't do a complete turn-around over night.

Does anyone else think this or am I just not looking hard enough? In any event, I still--and will always--love Daniel. I just wish that he was a little more like the old Daniel and a little less like the I'm-trying-to-fill-in-for-Jack-O'Niell Daniel.

[Dani347]

I don't see that. They haven't shown them on any planets for him to get excited about. So, it's not like he's been put in a situation where he would normally act one way, and then has behaved out of character. They just haven't put him in the situations, period. The missions are usually underway, instead of them just exploring before finding out what's wrong. So, I don't think Daniel has been shown as not wanting to explore. I think they aren't showing the episode from that point.

Spoiler:

Collateral Damage. When the audience came in, it wasn't at the meet and greet stage. It was already after that

Plus, I don't think Daniel ever wanted to stay on a planet just for the sake of staying on. If the planet had something to offer, some culture to study, then he would be, and there just haven't been.

As for being compassionate:

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The burning scene in Avalon2. Plus, him asking about how Dr. Lee was in Babylon?

I don't recall anytime when he should have been compassionate, but wasn't.

Another thing that my sister mentioned the other day is that we haven't seen any real Daniel-archeologist moments. There's no more of his talking so fast that he's interupting himself and tripping over his own words.

To me, that's again not a change in Daniel, but in the stories.

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And, we still had Avalon, where he's giddy over the discovery of Merlin as an ancient. And, where he is talking all over himself, trying to convince Landry to let him use the device they found.

I do think there should be more stories that allow him to use his archeological and linguistic skills for that matter. And, not just his skills in Ancient. And, I wouldn't mind some episodes that start out as meet and greet and become something else. Like I said, most episodes seem to have a specific mission in mind before they even start

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Them going to find the Sodan in Babylon, or testing out the mind control device in Collateral Damage

rather then them going to a planet just because it's the next gate address and time to explore, and then letting the situation pick up from there. If Daniel was on a meet and greet and had time to be interested in culture -and actually had some culture to be interested in- and then wasn't, I'd see a change.

I really don't see a trying to be Jack. There have only been a couple of times this season where things have felt off to me

Spoiler:

TFH2, and a couple of things from Ripple Effect -but also a lot of very Daniel like moments

but overall to my view, he's Daniel.

[Madeleine]

I like watching his reactions and how he is affected by things, but

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One of my favorite scenes this season is in The Powers That Be where Daniel is standing up to the Prior, arguing his points. I love seeing him stand up intellectually as well as standing up to physical power.

ITA. Reactions and emotions are something MS does ever so well, and caring is a part of daniel's nature that really matters; but the reason he got recruited by the SGC is his brain and I do relish the times when he gets to show that.

While I don't feel that Daniel is being wallpapered I am about ready for a full-on Daniel ep. Or something like Avatar where it's more of a two-hander with someone who is a regular but who isn't Vala. Vala's great, but it's nice to see Daniel interact with Teal'c an Sam and we've had plenty of D+V this year.

[Dani347]

ITA. Reactions and emotions are something MS does ever so well, and caring is a part of daniel's nature that really matters; but the reason he got recruited by the SGC is his brain and I do relish the times when he gets to show that.

I agree. One thing I would like is for the show to give more scenes that show that his skills and brains aren't limited to his ascension. I'm kind of torn. One the one hand, I like that he's acknowledged as an expert on the Ancients, but sometimes it seems that's all he's given.

[Captain-Peregrine]

I don't see that. They haven't shown them on any planets for him to get excited about. So, it's not like he's been put in a situation where he would normally act one way, and then has behaved out of character. They just haven't put him in the situations, period. The missions are usually underway, instead of them just exploring before finding out what's wrong. So, I don't think Daniel has been shown as not wanting to explore. I think they aren't showing the episode from that point.

Spoiler:

Collateral Damage. When the audience came in, it wasn't at the meet and greet stage. It was already after that

Plus, I don't think Daniel ever wanted to stay on a planet just for the sake of staying on. If the planet had something to offer, some culture to study, then he would be, and there just haven't been.

As for being compassionate:

Spoiler:

The burning scene in Avalon2. Plus, him asking about how Dr. Lee was in Babylon?

I don't recall anytime when he should have been compassionate, but wasn't.




To me, that's again not a change in Daniel, but in the stories.

Spoiler:

And, we still had Avalon, where he's giddy over the discovery of Merlin as an ancient. And, where he is talking all over himself, trying to convince Landry to let him use the device they found.

I do think there should be more stories that allow him to use his archeological and linguistic skills for that matter. And, not just his skills in Ancient. And, I wouldn't mind some episodes that start out as meet and greet and become something else. Like I said, most episodes seem to have a specific mission in mind before they even start

Spoiler:

Them going to find the Sodan in Babylon, or testing out the mind control device in Collateral Damage

rather then them going to a planet just because it's the next gate address and time to explore, and then letting the situation pick up from there. If Daniel was on a meet and greet and had time to be interested in culture -and actually had some culture to be interested in- and then wasn't, I'd see a change.

I really don't see a trying to be Jack. There have only been a couple of times this season where things have felt off to me

Spoiler:

TFH2, and a couple of things from Ripple Effect -but also a lot of very Daniel like moments

but overall to my view, he's Daniel.

Good points. Thank you.

[LMichelle]

Remember when Daniel did archeaology-ish things? I know it's hard, but think waaaaay back.

I miss that.

[Dani347]

I asked Joe if there would be any upcoming opportunities for Daniel to use his archeological or linguistic skills and he said yes. Of course, there's no guarantee of how much or when or if his ideas of that matches the ideas of anyone here.

[Madeleine]

There's every chance Joe was referring to offscreen opportunities...

[Sprinkles]

There's every chance Joe was referring to offscreen opportunities...

Ack! Don't even go there

[1DanielForMe]

Seriously.

Remember when Daniel did archeaology-ish things? I know it's hard, but think waaaaay back.

I miss that.

I know! there's so very little of that now, it's like an afterthought, and archaeology is such a big part of who Daniel is!

[GateGipsy]

oh dear, what if he was saying yes to the linguistic rather than the archeaology stuff? Not that I mind the linguistic stuff but it isn't as interesting.