Gateworld Virtual Fleet 4.0 - Discussion thread

[Gormagon]

uhm, we know trinium is a very strong, light material. it's clearly superior to any material we have in terms of strength. other than that, we know very little of it, and specifics are not important.

Note: since Trinium ore is brittle, it likely means that Trinium isn't very corrosive resistant.

Graphene, which we have now, is is 154x stronger then your average carbon steels ultimate strength I believe.

you see the big black blob in the centre? that's naquahdriah.

Naquahdah and naquahdriah are black metals.

I knew that was a naquadaria lump. I was partially teasing you, partially serious.

It's not that hard. Since the instability is exponential, you can write a function for instability. you can then design a reactor capable of handling that level of instability.

Anyway, the Proof Eli solved, and the modifications Mckay made in Seizure are both Naquahdriah-energy-draining equations and modifications. Icarus is doing what the LA now does in reactors.

it's under Unique Lucian Alliance Ships.

I am still expecting them to go boom at any unsuspecting moment.

[Gormagon]

I meant more specific stats on the Lucian ships, crew compliment, soldiers, power plants, weapon arrays, hull, engines, ect.

[thekillman]

Graphene, which we have now, is is 154x stronger then your average carbon steels ultimate strength I believe.

i'll do some research on the topic.

EDIT:

some thoughts.

Graphene is an awesome material, yes. i'm currently looking into stuff like density, and there's no mention of how well it holds it's properties as a function of temperature.

The biggest concern for Graphene would be it's chemical properties, namely that it would break down under corrosive circumstances pretty easily.

EDIT2:

Unlike Trinium, nanotubes seem to loose their properties pretty darn fast when they get damaged. also, connections are usually the weak point. like i said before, it's not just one big success story.

Consider this: Trinium is 100x stronger than steel. that's quite fine by me. however, it's also 100x lighter.

Further studies, conducted in 2008, revealed that individual CNT shells have strengths of up to ~100 GPa, which is in good agreement with quantum/atomistic models.[30] Since carbon nanotubes have a low density for a solid of 1.3 to 1.4 g/cm3,[31] its specific strength of up to 48,000 kN·m·kg?1 is the best of known materials, compared to high-carbon steel's 154 kN·m·kg?1.

this means that Trinium, unless i'm making a huge mistake, would have a specific strength of 154 * 10 000 = 1.54 million kN*m/kg.

that's 32x better than nanotubes, and that's the most perfect of conditions for Nanotubes.

Density:
Steel: 8,050 kg/m^3
Trinium : 0.0805 kg/m^3
Nanotubes: 1.05 kg/m^3

Like i said, it gives a ridiculously low density for Trinium. The bigger nucleus, on the other hand, would ensure a much smaller electron cloud, so something fishy is going on.

By the way: it's likely Naquahdah sits in similar ranges of strength, and probably is a lot harder than Trinium.

oh and:

i changed the statement on Trinium. i think the current version is better, and less confusing.

I am still expecting them to go boom at any unsuspecting moment.

if it was random, like Arcturus, then you couldn't keep up with it. The reaction time of your system depends on the reaction time of each component, and if you know what kind of instability to expect, you can build a reactor with sufficiently fast reaction times to keep up.

[Gormagon]

http://www.dailytech.com/New+Paper+I...ticle13253.htm

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2008/10/super-powerful/

Here are some articles that may help. I earlier estimate is based off of an ultimate strength of 841 compared to what the site said Graphenes strength was, 130,000MPa

[thekillman]

I find this to be more reliable

[Gormagon]

Ooh shiny stuff.

[Gormagon]

I like shiny the stuff from that website.

Unlike Trinium, nanotubes seem to loose their properties pretty darn fast when they get damaged. also, connections are usually the weak point. like i said before, it's not just one big success story.

My ships are not entirely made of nano material, just reinforced with it and they have a replaceable nano armor layer. Other materials used in the construction include trinium/tungsten, and trinium/titanium.

[Gormagon]

How common is trinium compared to the materials used to make nano material?

[thekillman]

define "nano material"

[Gormagon]

Well, not actually sure what to call versions of it that are 600 years ahead of ours, but buckypaper, carbon nanotubes, fullerene, graphene.

[thekillman]

well i'd say about, what, 800-1200 x more common?

you'd need to check the relative abundancy of carbon.

[Gormagon]

Your telling me trinium is that common?!! Good night....^

Carbon is supposed to be the 6th most abundant element in the universe!

[Gormagon]

Here is the next part of my story.
Chapter three part tow.

On board the Dawnblade.

“Jilkar….Hadoko….you both had better find a way to get us out of this mess you got us into!”Kortari stated to the only officers onboard with science training.

Jilkar wondered how it could have possibly partially been his fault. He had just obeyed orders to activate the holding field. Frankly, Jilkar had no safe ideas to get them out of this situation. Nether did Hadoko, and she was an f.t.l field specialist. They had brought her along for when they captured Storm Runner so that the Kaizoku could immediately begin understanding this new technology, even if all she could do was analyze sensor scans.

Kortari was to blame for their predicament and everyone knew it. Kortari had been the one to plot the intercept course for their cursed quarry. But then Kortari had always been like that. He could find ways to shift blame on others in his twisted mind, and then run to daddy who always “fixed it”. Jilkar was surprised he had not been dragged before the lady Mikiko earlier. Kortari was a fumbling fool and a danger to the Kaizoku. Not for long however. Not to much longer. Lady Mikiko would be quite pleased soon. He just had to wait for opportune moment.



Kokiara had been communing with Daimyo Houjira, adding a personal touch in addition to the data burst of their predicament.

“I see. And I agree with your assessment. The Kaizoku cannot be allowed to get away with this. It will only embolden them in the future. The war council is deliberating over the data burst you sent, but as far as I am aware they are currently for pursuing the raiders and reclaiming Storm Runner and Gindoaw before the Kaizoku can take ether apart to learn about our new f.t.l technology. I will contact you when there is more news to report.” Houjira replied to Kokiara. He bowed and reached to cut the connection. Kokiara bowed in return.

Kokiara sat down in her desk chair. She reached up and undid her hair bun, and then ran her hands through her jet black hair. They had to move quickly. Even with his mental conditioning Gindoaw would not be able to hold out against the Kaizoku pain technicians for very long.

The captured Kaizoku were yielding little useful information. She had ordered the initiation of HMSM procedures but those took time. They had to set everything up.

She shuffled over to her tea table and activated it. Well that brewed she could start unwinding. She walked to her closet and looked for a nice Kimono. By the time she had changed the tea was ready. She took a cup and sat at her desk. She sipped her tea, savoring the subtle flavors. Alright, time to start going through the latest reports she thought as she activated her desks holoscreen.



Gindoaw was awakened by his vessels automated alert system. Before he had gone into meditative stasis he had set it to wake him up 30 minutes before the calculations said he would reach the star system at the end of his journey. He checked his consol…yes his reactor was still ready for the shutdown. He grinned. During meditative stasis he had an idea, to shunt all the energy he could from the shutdown procedure through his defense grid towards the ship he was towing with him. It would probably fry his shield emitters but it could seriously damage the enemy craft and stop them from pursuing him well he waited for his f.t.l system to recharge. It would not be long now.

A short while later the two conjoined vessels excited subspace in high orbit above a mysterious world.

[Gormagon]

Gindoaw shut down his vessels reactor, and initiated his surge plan. Energy flowed from his shield emitters into the ship above.

Meanwhile…

“Lord Kortari, we have excited underspace.” the helm officer reported.

“Finally, where are we?!” Kortari asked in an irritated tone.

“Charts show we have crossed the void separating the Houjin kingdom from the rest of this spiral of stars. We are far from home lord. Storm Runners technology will be required to make the return journey in a reasonable amount of time.” Hadako replied well she analyzed several data display consoles.

“Keep the holding field active on that vessel. Prepare a boarding party and make sure those moronic gun slingers have tranq dart attachments…and tell the assault team to actually use them! We need Gindoaw alive.” Kortari ordered.

“Yes lord…”someone was replying when the whole ship shuddered. Several consoles blew out around the command center and the whole room filled with smoke from plasma discharges burning and melting various hardware components. Crew members were thrown about.

“Damage report!” Kortari yelled. The only responses he got were mutters, pain sounds and various exclamations.

“I said report!” Kortari yelled again.

Jilkar pushed a large piece of console off of himself and walked over to an undamaged console. Hadako joined him in a few moments, and they reconfigured it.

“It appears that Storm Runner has a more formidable bite then we were informed off in our intel reports.” Jilkar said.
“He initiated some type of surge that has caused mid level damage to our own vessel.” Hadako contributed.
“And now Storm Runner is busy making its way towards the far side of this planet we are orbiting. Once Gindoaw is on the other side he can set just about any sublight speed trajectory he wants and our sensors will not pick him up. Like, say, towards a part of that massive asteroid belt we cannot currently detect with our long range scanners.” Jilkar stated, looking at the panel.
“We will never find him in there, he will be able to escape from us and we will be stranded here for a long while.” Hadako finished.

“Intercept course now! Weapons hot!” Kortari ordered.

“We are attempting to get Dawnblade running again lord.” Jilkar said. He took out his com unit. “Engineering our sensors show power grids 3 and 4 are down. You are going to have to bypass them.” He spoke into the com.

“Already working on it.” was the reply over his com.

“Systems have recovered from the surge. Engineering reports generator power at 70%, firing up the drives….” Hadako said a few moments later.

“Intercept course now….” Kortari ordered. Dawnblade began pursuing Storm Runner.
End of chapter three.

[thekillman]

Your telling me trinium is that common?!! Good night....^

Carbon is supposed to be the 6th most abundant element in the universe!

no.