Gateworld Virtual Fleet 4.0 - Discussion thread

[immhotep]

Sounds good, what kind of research base, a major complex would need to have a purpose otherwise it would be public. I think we could use tokra technology to seriously increase our manufacturing capacity offworld. Underground drydocks created by new versions of the crystel technology could create large voids rapidly which could be filled with prefab dry dock facilities, on planets with Naquadah and Trinium in large volumes, taking production to the source without too much cost.

[locutes]

The base would be to work on a reverse engineered Cloak or something like that. perhaps even a ship. A new type of directed energy weapon, a rework of the Anti Replicator weapon to work like the Breen energy dampening weapon



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Sounds good, what kind of research base, a major complex would need to have a purpose otherwise it would be public. I think we could use tokra technology to seriously increase our manufacturing capacity offworld. Underground drydocks created by new versions of the crystel technology could create large voids rapidly which could be filled with prefab dry dock facilities, on planets with Naquadah and Trinium in large volumes, taking production to the source without too much cost.

that was an idea of mine too, I actually am thinking of making that base a secret shipyard and staging area for the inevitable attack by an enemy force

[puddlejumperOZ]

Ok fella's let's not get carried away. We're trying to build a fleet first. Let's keep the stroyline chatter for another time and finish one task at a time, otherwise we'll still be discussing things in December.

Tep, we did agree earlier that yes a battle-carrier would be needed. We have set maximum sizes for each class and the BB-BBC's are set at 600mtrs. They will be the last on the list.

BC's are set at 350mtrs max

Cruiser/Escorts at 150 mtrs, which by the way is the next ship for the voting.

Dropship/Gunships at 50 mtr max, though 30 seems to be an ideal size.

The fighters have been done and finished, so can we complete the tasks at hand and then discuss other issues later. I have already posted my Cruiser/Escort some five pages back.

[locutes]

ok so no destroyers, safes time if I ever need one XD

[immhotep]

Not sure what that is, but a reworked version of the anti replicator weapon has been dubbed matter disruptors on GW and has been toyed about in the fleets many times. While completely plausable in the stargate universe, and pretty easy to convert, they have been deemed utterly Uber, in fact they were the only counter weapon we could think of when confronted with the utter uberness of the Swarm. A Wave weapon capable of bypassing all shields and disintegrating Matter at the subatomic level. How the ancients lost the war with the wraith with that kind of knowledge up thier sleaves is beyond me but in terms of that being the secret weapon being developed I would say a complete No, and its purely to preserve the fleets, not against the concept or weapon design because like i said its perfectly valid just beyond pointless in terms of storytelling. There is simply No defence, mount this on a cargo ship and power it by ZPM and even that ship alone would take over the universe.

[Davidtourniquet]

450 - 550 metres for a Battlecarrier. End of.
Everything else is fine.

[immhotep]

Would you guys consider the Typhon as an entry for Battle Carrier? Or is it not 'Battle' enough?

[Davidtourniquet]

Hang on a minute, can we not have posts with various classes in, let's worry about the gunships/battlecarriers or cruisers when we get to them. We are doing cruisers now, can we set a deadline for submitting cruisers, you can get as many critiques before the vote, but once the vote starts there aren't to be any other modifications.

[locutes]

Not sure what that is, but a reworked version of the anti replicator weapon has been dubbed matter disruptors on GW and has been toyed about in the fleets many times. While completely plausable in the stargate universe, and pretty easy to convert, they have been deemed utterly Uber, in fact they were the only counter weapon we could think of when confronted with the utter uberness of the Swarm. A Wave weapon capable of bypassing all shields and disintegrating Matter at the subatomic level. How the ancients lost the war with the wraith with that kind of knowledge up thier sleaves is beyond me but in terms of that being the secret weapon being developed I would say a complete No, and its purely to preserve the fleets, not against the concept or weapon design because like i said its perfectly valid just beyond pointless in terms of storytelling. There is simply No defence, mount this on a cargo ship and power it by ZPM and even that ship alone would take over the universe.

I know the idea is über, but working on something is not going to have to work out. Besides it could be nerfed in such a way that it at first really does give Earth that edge, but then their effect will deminish since counter measures are being created. So like done in Trek it at first is a real danger and then when their effect becomes less and less, it becomes just another weapon in ones arsenal.


And as I said, I was toying with the idea, which may not even turn into something viable/usable. But a more important thing is, that once it is discovered because of those 'spies' it would create an interstellar arms race just to counter the tech and make their own.

[puddlejumperOZ]

ok so no destroyers, safes time if I ever need one XD

Just re-do your specs Loc to fit in with the Cruiser/Escort class as in this post herehttp://forum.gateworld.net/threads/7...1#post11705625

[immhotep]

Well if there isnt Battle CRUISER option i will make Agean a Cruiser instead.

I know the idea is über, but working on something is not going to have to work out. Besides it could be nerfed in such a way that it at first really does give Earth that edge, but then their effect will deminish since counter measures are being created. So like done in Trek it at first is a real danger and then when their effect becomes less and less, it becomes just another weapon in ones arsenal.


And as I said, I was toying with the idea, which may not even turn into something viable/usable. But a more important thing is, that once it is discovered because of those 'spies' it would create an interstellar arms race just to counter the tech and make their own.

Thats how it begins. And there really arent countermeasures, not in our region of space, the replicators absorbed the collective knowledge of two galaxies, plus the memories of an ascended plugged in and still couldnt find a countermeasure despite having billions of supercomputers working together on solving that problem. Modifying them to work on matter is easy, considering that was the base technology, remember that making them work on the replicators was the issue, making them work on matter is the techno-bable equivalent of restore to factory settings. That technology just shouldnt be explored, trust me on that, it never leads to a good place.

[locutes]

Hang on a minute, can we not have posts with various classes in, let's worry about the gunships/battlecarriers or cruisers when we get to them. We are doing cruisers now, can we set a deadline for submitting cruisers, you can get as many critiques before the vote, but once the vote starts there aren't to be any other modifications.

Ok so now we start working on the cruisers.

[puddlejumperOZ]

Hang on a minute, can we not have posts with various classes in, let's worry about the gunships/battlecarriers or cruisers when we get to them. We are doing cruisers now, can we set a deadline for submitting cruisers, you can get as many critiques before the vote, but once the vote starts there aren't to be any other modifications.

We have a forum member willing to run the votes who is not a part of the VF4.0 which has been seen to be a pretty good idea. They would collect all votes via PM and then publish them later. But in saying that there have been several discussions lately of trying to get us working together on projects rather than competing against each other to see who can top who, that is the way to go if we want to achieve anything.

Well if there isnt Battle CRUISER option i will make Agean a Cruiser instead.

Tep you can two ways, make your BC entry smaller to fit with the Cruiser/Escort design or larger for the BB/BBC design.

Dave, 600mtrs was the agreed maximum size for the BB/BBC class, so anything from 450 to 600 would be ok.

Ok so now we start working on the cruisers.

[locutes]

wow that takes my ship out of the equation for this one, but that does not matter. I can wait for the destroyer vote

[lord groovy]

The base would be to work on a reverse engineered Cloak or something like that. perhaps even a ship. A new type of directed energy weapon, a rework of the Anti Replicator weapon to work like the Breen energy dampening weapon

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that was an idea of mine too, I actually am thinking of making that base a secret shipyard and staging area for the inevitable attack by an enemy force

I don't know why but this reminds me of the good ol' System Lords era.

Surely because thanks to the UNE, any new advancements should be shared between Earth nations and their respective colonies. And with your new secret offworld bases, it's like some people just want to keep screwing everyone else.

Soon someone will have a fortress where a wannabe psycho has antigravity cells and torture aliens (Jaffa, Tok'ra or Hebridan) for informations. Just like Baal did to O'Neill the first time ...but without Daniel to help.

Hum... Maybe that should be me

And about the Tok'ra crystals, I think you have to buy them from the said Tok'ra. How are you going to explain those additional expenses to the UNE without telling them about that secret base that no one should know about?

Just KISS (Keep It Simple and Stupid) : pick an abandonned naquadah mine on a totally uninteresting planet and import some materials from Earth using a stolen Tel'tak. Between 2013 (when the gate program was revealed) and 2025, you've had enough time to build a reasonable bat-cave with all the tech stuff and the people to make it worth the trouble.