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Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostI don't aim for a specific wordcount, unless the challenge requires it. If it's a lot of words I need to tell a story then it's a lot of words I'll use.
But that 200,000+ word fic I dubbed Fic-From-Hell haunts me on a regular basis... especially since it's one of those neverending stories which will also, in all likelihood, never be posted. No point in writing it but the muse won't leave it alone...
There's really nothing wrong with an epically-long novel per se. Just make it good.
Originally posted by SaraBahama View PostI've not written a lot, so I don't have much experience to draw from, but I tend toward 1800-2000 words per chapter when I write multi-chapter stories. That may change with experience.
I tend to self-edit WAY too much as I write...gotta kick that habit.
Originally posted by mathpiglet View PostI don't think there is a rule about chapters. One source I read said you should aim for your chapters to be roughly the same length, but some authors (ahem...George R. R. Martin) with good reason.
Logical breaks are what are needed. If you're merely writing to get to a certain word-count, there's a chance it's filler and doesn't add to the actually story.
Originally posted by fems View Post*laughs*
Anyway, I do WIPs so I know what I want to write per chapter (or at least that's the idea... *glares at muse*) and that's usually about 5000-7500 words, depending on the story.Sum, ergo scribo...
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Originally posted by SF_and_Coffee View PostNothing wrong with self-editing as you write, either. I do it constantly, and feel it only improves and polishes my material. You'd have to ask my beta, but I imagine it probably saves him a lot of effort, too.
Anybody else get frustrated because sometimes you can't type at the speed the ideas come rolling into your head (and I mean, regardless of your WPM typing skills)?sigpic
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Oh, that speed thing gets me all the time. I think it's normal.Sum, ergo scribo...
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Originally posted by SF_and_Coffee View PostWhat's wrong with a 200,000 word fic? All That We Leave Behind is longer than that (it's posted as a WIP currently around 180k words, but I have much more than that already written and only waiting for some in-between chapters to be completed before I can post a lot of the pre-written stuff). And it's only Book One of a series!
There's really nothing wrong with an epically-long novel per se. Just make it good.sigpic
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Same with ATWLB, only not as many characters undergo transformation. But some do...Sum, ergo scribo...
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Oh fickle Muse!
Why dost thou commune with me in the waning hours of evening, heedless of the tasks I must complete upon the 'moro? Dost thou lift your chin in contempt of my plight?
If I should send you away, will you return tomorrow, or shall I be spurned for such insolence?sigpic
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Originally posted by SaraBahama View PostOh fickle Muse!
Why dost thou commune with me in the waning hours of evening, heedless of the tasks I must complete upon the 'moro? Dost thou lift your chin in contempt of my plight?
If I should send you away, will you return tomorrow, or shall I be spurned for such insolence?
The Muse has given me an abundance of ideas and inspiration so I can't fault it in anyway. It does get annoyed with me when I have trouble choosing to commit to a particular idea within a multitude of ideas. Recently, the Muse has given me some interesting ideas for future writing projects but they're still in the a ways away.Last edited by Cold Fuzz; 13 February 2012, 01:35 AM.sigpic
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Originally posted by SaraBahama View PostSF -the problem is that I self edit so much that it brings me to a standstill because I'm fretting over every detail. I've ended up with writer's block more than once over this very thing. Pol encouraged me to try a couple of "close your eyes and write" exercises and it really helped, so I've started incorporating that notion into my regular writing -just write it: go with the flow and come back later and put the pretty on. I find it freeing. I still edit (sometimes entire sections) before it goes to Beta, but I try not to do it as I write. Even then I find that 500 words at a go is a lot for me.
There is a very useful maxim for these situations: Don't get it right - get it written. Simply remembering that (and having it printed out and stuck to a wall) helps to focus me. I also, personally, find appropriate music is great for maintaining flow, focus and pace.
Anybody else get frustrated because sometimes you can't type at the speed the ideas come rolling into your head (and I mean, regardless of your WPM typing skills)?
On occasion though, I have a really good day when the writing flies out of my fingertips and I churn out anywhere up to 30,000 words a day - these are exceedingly (and increasingly) rare though, and usually require weeks of editing.
On these notes, I think this short video, from the excellent and highly recommended 'Dave Gorman's Googlewhack Adventure', will feel very familiar to a lot of us:
And now it's time for one last bow, like all your other selves. Eleven's hour is over now... the clock is striking Twelve's.
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Originally posted by SaraBahama View PostOh fickle Muse!
Why dost thou commune with me in the waning hours of evening, heedless of the tasks I must complete upon the 'moro? Dost thou lift your chin in contempt of my plight?
If I should send you away, will you return tomorrow, or shall I be spurned for such insolence?
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Originally posted by fems View PostETA:
Oh noes! FFnet is offline again! The entire site is slower than a snail when loading but the connection times out when you try to sign in.
Originally posted by SF_and_Coffee View PostWhat's wrong with a 200,000 word fic?
Originally posted by SaraBahama View PostSF -the problem is that I self edit so much that it brings me to a standstill because I'm fretting over every detail.
So, I aim to just finish a scene/chapter and then I'll re-read and make edits. Unless I'm working against a deadline I usually do that right after writing and at least once more before uploading, that way it doesn't really halt my progress but I still get my editing (and sometimes entire rewrites, who'll need to be checked later on as well) done.
Just set yourself a goal, whether that's a word count or the end of a scene/chapter before you get to edit.
Originally posted by SaraBahama View PostAnybody else get frustrated because sometimes you can't type at the speed the ideas come rolling into your head (and I mean, regardless of your WPM typing skills)?Originally posted by SF_and_Coffee View PostOh, that speed thing gets me all the time. I think it's normal.
Originally posted by SaraBahama View PostOh fickle Muse!
Why dost thou commune with me in the waning hours of evening, heedless of the tasks I must complete upon the 'moro? Dost thou lift your chin in contempt of my plight?
If I should send you away, will you return tomorrow, or shall I be spurned for such insolence?
Originally posted by AlexanderD View PostAs someone who does all of my writing long after I should be asleep, I can relate.Unmade Plans (WIP: 11/20):
Sam's life takes a turn in an unexpected direction when she's faced with an unplanned pregnancy. The decision to keep the baby and raise it on her own will alter her life forever. Relationships are put to the test, especially the one between her and Jack. She doesn't know what to expect from him and he surprises her at every turn.
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Originally posted by fems View PostLuckily, I can sign in again today. I immediately updated, just in case it happens again! Last week it was the same error for what, two days at least, I think? I don't know what those people are doing over there...
My first fic and really, my first venture into writing ended up with 340,000 words...
Overall, I just start typing with a few pointers in mind and don't stop until I've finished the scene or if I have to look up a word/expression. The latter is dangerous if I need the internet (instead of real dictionary or program in toolbar) to check because then I'll get distracted and start doing other things
Word to the wise: if you should find you've wandered onto TVtropes.com, get out FAST! Either that, or resign yourself to losing at least an hour or so, and be sure to leave a trail of breadcrumbs...
Yeah, just last week I was saying something similar. I really wish there was some kind of doohickey we could connect to our brains and make it write out the stories in our minds, instead of us having to type them all out. *dreams on*
I've found feeding my muse chocolate motivates him. However, last night I discovered Kinder chocolate makes him go hyper and totally disregard the pointers I had and instead coming up with a more playful end to a chapter. Don't know what I was thinking; Kinder chocolate is for children, not seals!
I do most of my writing late in the evening or the early hours of the morning too. For some reason I just end up staring at my screen during daylight, which is quite frustrating when you finally have a morning off and plan to get some writing done.Sum, ergo scribo...
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Originally posted by SF_and_Coffee View PostYou have the most adorable Muse!
A published writer friend of mine has a theory, to which I subscribe: It's much easier to write at night when most people have gone to sleep, because then the sort of mental/psychic 'static' that normally fills the world becomes thinner, and it becomes easier to hear one's Muse and to interface with one's ideas.Unmade Plans (WIP: 11/20):
Sam's life takes a turn in an unexpected direction when she's faced with an unplanned pregnancy. The decision to keep the baby and raise it on her own will alter her life forever. Relationships are put to the test, especially the one between her and Jack. She doesn't know what to expect from him and he surprises her at every turn.
On FFnet or AO3
My S/J fics can be found on FFnet and AO3. I also tweet and tumble about the ship and my writing/stories.
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Apparently login attempting is only resulting in failure for short periods lately since the longer outage of unable to login to fanfic. I can login just fine
Anyhow, my muse normally works best with certain types of music
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Originally posted by SF_and_Coffee View PostWhat's wrong with a 200,000 word fic?
Originally posted by SF_and_Coffee View PostThere's really nothing wrong with an epically-long novel per se. Just make it good.
Originally posted by SF_and_Coffee View PostNothing wrong with self-editing as you write, either.
Originally posted by SaraBahama View PostAnybody else get frustrated because sometimes you can't type at the speed the ideas come rolling into your head (and I mean, regardless of your WPM typing skills)?Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
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