'The Lost Tribe' (511) General Discussion

[Automission]

Why? The doesn't really make sense.



Well obviously it had weaker shields (even though it could pass through Atlantis' shield...) and weapons...but why?

And also it wasn't stated that the hyper drives were weaker, travellers can't travel inter-galacticly either. In fact The Asgard hyperdrives appear to be more advanced (creating a window in the atmosphere of a planet).

Frankly, it was a massive plot hole :/

are you plain old stupid?

The Asgard didn't make an intergalatic Hyperdrive, as the Wraith cull all forms of advanced technology. Not to mention they'd hunt them down for the technology, and as the Asgard said, they are but few, unable to combat the vast numbers of wraith.

As for a traveller ship destroying an Asgard ship, well why the hell not? Maybe they got a lucky hit in, maybe their technology is more advanced, maybe it was weakened from a blow from one of the 304's?
We saw zero of the Asgard weapon tech, other than beams firing from the ship. Hardly a testament to their advanced warfare.

[Valtharus]

are you plain old stupid?

No are you?

The Asgard didn't make an intergalatic Hyperdrive, as the Wraith cull all forms of advanced technology. Not to mention they'd hunt them down for the technology, and as the Asgard said, they are but few, unable to combat the vast numbers of wraith.

Err, perhaps you hadn't noticed but the asgard already had lots of advanced technology. They were still survived UNDETECTED by the wraith for TEN THOUSAND YEARS. They were using advanced technology as we no they, to some degree, solved their genetic problem (so more advanced tahn the MW).

All they would need to do is build the hyperdrive and return to Ida/any other random galaxy with a hospitable planet. Who said anything abotu combating the Wraith.

As for a traveller ship destroying an Asgard ship, well why the hell not? Maybe they got a lucky hit in, maybe their technology is more advanced, maybe it was weakened from a blow from one of the 304's?

Err what? lol.

Lucky hit? No. The Asgard shields are much stronger than that. Hell they can stand up to Ori warships. Traveler ships shouldn't even scratch them.
Their ships are surrounded by shields, there isn't a 'weak' spot like that,

We saw zero of the Asgard weapon tech, other than beams firing from the ship. Hardly a testament to their advanced warfare.

An asgard ship was destoryed by a heap of junk. Sorrt it doesn't add up.

[Jeffala]

In order to believe that the Asgard were able to build a standard hyperdrive, but not an intergalactic hyperdrive, one must accept that they require different types of materials for their construction. One must further accept that the standard hyperdrive components are easier to come by than the IG hyperdrive components. One can then conclude that it was impossible for the Asgard to develop an IG hyperdrive without being discovered and that hiding from the Wraith was more important than IG hyperdrive.

The same can be applied to the relative weakness of their weapons.

[Automission]

And to further explain it they disbanded at the earlier stage of the Milky Way Asgard, so they didn't get all their future productions, and they chose to explore the genetic failure as opposed to building weapons to fight the Replicators.
The fact they had no real enemy to fight, left them free to explore their genetic failings.

Valthurus you seem unable to comprehend that those Asgard are not as strong as the rest, that your favourite race is weak.

but hey the good guys committed suicide so they must have been fantastic too.

[Jeffala]

You could also argue that the reason that they weren't able to build "advanced" ships like their Ida cousins is that the people who left Ida weren't specialists in ship design and construction, but instead were geneticists, etc.

[Valtharus]

In order to believe that the Asgard were able to build a standard hyperdrive, but not an intergalactic hyperdrive, one must accept that they require different types of materials for their construction. One must further accept that the standard hyperdrive components are easier to come by than the IG hyperdrive components. One can then conclude that it was impossible for the Asgard to develop an IG hyperdrive without being discovered and that hiding from the Wraith was more important than IG hyperdrive.

The same can be applied to the relative weakness of their weapons.

I'm willing to accept that, quite a reasonable explanation.

And to further explain it they disbanded at the earlier stage of the Milky Way Asgard, so they didn't get all their future productions, and they chose to explore the genetic failure as opposed to building weapons to fight the Replicators.
The fact they had no real enemy to fight, left them free to explore their genetic failings.

That doesn't make any sense at all. Without the war with the replicators they would have been able to advance un-hindered. (As they did with their genetic problem).
using YOUR logic they would be -more- advanced than the Ida Asgard.

Valthurus you seem unable to comprehend that those Asgard are not as strong as the rest, that your favourite race is weak.

Erm...The Asgard are far from my favourite race, in fact they are one of the races I like least due to the fact that they have no substance to them. They were just the super advanced race that couldn't help us, and then basically got abandoned when the ancients came into the limelight post season 5.

Just because I don't like radical inconsistencies doesn't mean that I love the asgard. Grow up and learn how to have a decent conversation.

You could also argue that the reason that they weren't able to build "advanced" ships like their Ida cousins is that the people who left Ida weren't specialists in ship design and construction, but instead were geneticists, etc.

That doesn't really make sense though, after all the asgard utilised computer cores, storing their knowledge and being able to access it easily. After all Thor was Supreme Commander of the Asgard fleet as well as being a scientist (he oversaw the collapse of the Sun into a black hole and obviously had some scientific knowledge for modifying the disrupter aboard the Daniel Jackson, a science vessel).

[Automission]

you seem set out to call every answer and opinion stupid and illogical. Perhaps you should grow up and look at yourself, then try to have an open conversation.

[Valtharus]

you seem set out to call every answer and opinion stupid and illogical. Perhaps you should grow up and look at yourself, then try to have an open conversation.

Did you read my post?

I guess not.

[Jeffala]

That doesn't really make sense though, after all the asgard utilised computer cores, storing their knowledge and being able to access it easily. After all Thor was Supreme Commander of the Asgard fleet as well as being a scientist (he oversaw the collapse of the Sun into a black hole and obviously had some scientific knowledge for modifying the disrupter aboard the Daniel Jackson, a science vessel).

But did they use the same technology 10,000+ years ago? That question can't really be answered.

[Valtharus]

But did they use the same technology 10,000+ years ago? That question can't really be answered.

True, but it did seem that there was a society of Asgard, rather than a select few geneteticists.

Also, I just thought...did the Asgard mention that they were able to continue their research un-hindered by the replicator threat?

Either that is another plot hole...or it means that the replicators do indeed pre-date the Asuran and have nothing to do with them.

Or was the interference just fromt eh Asgard High Council?

[major davis]

Ok episode,
Just not sure it was a good idea to bring back the asgard

[nx01a]

The Pegasus Asgard probably devoted all their time to trying to solve their genetic situation and, since they had no moral problems with experimenting on humans, got further than their morally 'hampered' Ida cousins.
When the Ida Replicators were introduced, didn't the Asgard say that a 'new' threat had emerged? The 30,000 year old Asgard SG-1 helped rescue was from a time before their genetic problems started, and the dark Asgard split from their Ida brothers and sisters and came to Pegasus during the Wraith/Ancient war around 10,000 years ago.
There's a timeline for you.

[gatechick]

I'm just kinda being nit picky here, but did anyone notice that in the Lost Tribe just before keller gives herself up her hair was wavy looking, but when she was brought to the bridge her hair was straight. How the heck did her hair flatten out that quick?? Sorry it was sorta a random observation as I am watching it now. Just wanted to see if anyone else notcied it?

[Falcon Horus]

Just wanted to see if anyone else notcied it?

Oh, we noticed.

If you go up the thread you'll find several mentions about the mysterious hair change.

Todd may have inexplicably sucked the life out of it maybe.

[mrscopterdoc]

Woolsey is turning into one of my favorite charactors. LOVE Todd! I wish Keller and her presto-chango hair would go out an airlock.