Sunday (317)

[Night Spring]

KERAS: Do you have young?
SHEPPARD: Me? No. Not yet, anyway. You?

Am I the only one thinking "Not that you know of, anyway"?

[scarimor]

Am I the only one thinking "Not that you know of, anyway"?

No you ain't, lol!

[tjkitten]

I liked this episode. Gave me more information regarding the character's personal lives, hobbies, etc. However, I has heart broken when I realized what has happened to Carson. He was a wonderful person: gentle, kind and caring. Why did he has to go.....

[AutumnDream]

I think these kind of episodes are needed sometimes, keeping the same cast forever is very static, something that I've noticed on SG-1, though it's very different with 4 or 5 main characters as opposed to 7 on SGA. I think it's unrealistic for everyone to survive every major accident, so I think it's a nice touch of realism when a main character dies in an event that would usually kill an extra. I loved Carson, but I really enjoyed how this episode was presented. Beautiful acting, some of the best writing from the series. 9/10 because I feel that the post-death scenes should have taken up more of the episode.

Some of the best writing in the series, eh?

PTB1: Okay, time to add a pinch of dramatic spice! We need a way to kill that Irish guy.
PTB2: Scottish, wasn't he?
PTB1: Oh right. So any ideas?
PTB2: He gets shot on a medical mission in the field.
PTB1: No, we did that with Janet on SG1.
PTB2: Since when has that ever stopped us?
PTB1: Well, I feel nice today so we'll give him a non-recycled death scenario.
PTB2: Okay, how could we introduce him to a dangerous element otherwise?
PTB1: He's in the medical room most of the time. What could be dangerous in there?
PTB2: There could be a patient with a deadly and contagious disease.
PTB1: No, not flashy enough. We need something flashy so the teenagers will watch. Like explosions.
PTB2: Well, what's going to explode in the operating room?
PTB1: Maybe he has to operate on guy who got hit with a magical beam gun that makes you explode when you least expect it.
PTB2: That would be a pretty sweet beam gun.
PTB1: Yeah, like - it creates an bomb in your body.
PTB2: Wait, didn't we do that with Cassandra in "Singularity".
PTB1: Damn! Okay, the magical beam could create a tumor that has to be operated on. That would make it more "medical", I think. The scottish guy was a surgeon, right?
PTB2: I think so.
PTB1: So he has to operate on it to save the guy, or something.
PTB2: But he knows it could explode AT ANY TIME! So that'd make him all heroic and stuff.
PTB1: Maybe if he's heroic enough in his last scene the lemming won't be so shrill about it.
PTB2: Okay, totally sweet. Episode written. Let's go watch some Dragon Ball Z for ideas on the season finale.
PTB1: Cool, I'll get the popcorn.

[nonniemous]

Some of the best writing in the series, eh?

PTB1: Okay, time to add a pinch of dramatic spice! We need a way to kill that Irish guy.
PTB2: Scottish, wasn't he?
PTB1: Oh right. So any ideas?
PTB2: He gets shot on a medical mission in the field.
PTB1: No, we did that with Janet on SG1.
PTB2: Since when has that ever stopped us?
PTB1: Well, I feel nice today so we'll give him a non-recycled death scenario.
PTB2: Okay, how could we introduce him to a dangerous element otherwise?
PTB1: He's in the medical room most of the time. What could be dangerous in there?
PTB2: There could be a patient with a deadly and contagious disease.
PTB1: No, not flashy enough. We need something flashy so the teenagers will watch. Like explosions.
PTB2: Well, what's going to explode in the operating room?
PTB1: Maybe he has to operate on guy who got hit with a magical beam gun that makes you explode when you least expect it.
PTB2: That would be a pretty sweet beam gun.
PTB1: Yeah, like - it creates an bomb in your body.
PTB2: Wait, didn't we do that with Cassandra in "Singularity".
PTB1: Damn! Okay, the magical beam could create a tumor that has to be operated on. That would make it more "medical", I think. The scottish guy was a surgeon, right?
PTB2: I think so.
PTB1: So he has to operate on it to save the guy, or something.
PTB2: But he knows it could explode AT ANY TIME! So that'd make him all heroic and stuff.
PTB1: Maybe if he's heroic enough in his last scene the lemming won't be so shrill about it.
PTB2: Okay, totally sweet. Episode written. Let's go watch some Dragon Ball Z for ideas on the season finale.
PTB1: Cool, I'll get the popcorn.

ROFLOL! That's probably about it--oh but don't forget the conversation about bringing in some young pretty thang as a replacement... Gah.

[the old briar pipe]

Some of the best writing in the series, eh?

Wait, you forgot a bit!

PTB1: Don't we need a B plot? Or maybe an A plot, since the exploding's not going to take very long.
PTB2: Um. Well, we have that script of Martin's we shot down last time. Something about a day off?
PTB1: Booooring.
PTB2: But with explosions?
PTB1: Well, as long as we put lots of hints of sex in it and at least two explosions. Can't get by on just one.
PTB2: And let's hurt Teyla right at the beginning, too, so we don't have to write too much for her.
PTB1: Sure. We do that all the time anyway.

I firmly believe the basic idea behind Sunday was already written out long before the "kill the doctor" part came up.

[nonniemous]

I firmly believe the basic idea behind Sunday was already written out long before the "kill the doctor" part came up.

Especially after watching "Vengeance"! It very much feels as if it was originally planned with Carson in mind, the way the scenes with Michael were shot. But then oops! Exploding tumors, no more doctor. Guess we'd better find someone else to insert.

Then again, give the lack of quality in the writing in "Sunday" and "Vengeance", maybe we're just expecting too much of TPTB in general.

[the old briar pipe]

Especially after watching "Vengeance"! It very much feels as if it was originally planned with Carson in mind, the way the scenes with Michael were shot. But then oops! Exploding tumors, no more doctor. Guess we'd better find someone else to insert.

Then again, give the lack of quality in the writing in "Sunday" and "Vengeance", maybe we're just expecting too much of TPTB in general.

I am just sitting down to watch "Vengeance" now, as I've been working my little tush off at two jobs since Monday. Will wait to comment until I finish.

[Celsius]

Some of the best writing in the series, eh?

PTB1: Okay, time to add a pinch of dramatic spice! We need a way to kill that Irish guy.
PTB2: Scottish, wasn't he?
PTB1: Oh right. So any ideas?
PTB2: He gets shot on a medical mission in the field.
PTB1: No, we did that with Janet on SG1.
PTB2: Since when has that ever stopped us?
PTB1: Well, I feel nice today so we'll give him a non-recycled death scenario.
PTB2: Okay, how could we introduce him to a dangerous element otherwise?
PTB1: He's in the medical room most of the time. What could be dangerous in there?
PTB2: There could be a patient with a deadly and contagious disease.
PTB1: No, not flashy enough. We need something flashy so the teenagers will watch. Like explosions.
PTB2: Well, what's going to explode in the operating room?
PTB1: Maybe he has to operate on guy who got hit with a magical beam gun that makes you explode when you least expect it.
PTB2: That would be a pretty sweet beam gun.
PTB1: Yeah, like - it creates an bomb in your body.
PTB2: Wait, didn't we do that with Cassandra in "Singularity".
PTB1: Damn! Okay, the magical beam could create a tumor that has to be operated on. That would make it more "medical", I think. The scottish guy was a surgeon, right?
PTB2: I think so.
PTB1: So he has to operate on it to save the guy, or something.
PTB2: But he knows it could explode AT ANY TIME! So that'd make him all heroic and stuff.
PTB1: Maybe if he's heroic enough in his last scene the lemming won't be so shrill about it.
PTB2: Okay, totally sweet. Episode written. Let's go watch some Dragon Ball Z for ideas on the season finale.
PTB1: Cool, I'll get the popcorn.

Not that I don't appreciate the spoof; nice work , but I do feel that the writing post-exeunt of Carson was particularly well written. Plus the scenes with Rodney and his lady friend, Shepherd and Ronon. Muchly good! The main reason that I would give the episode less than a perfect score though is because of the tumor storyline which was completely weird to say the least.

[Athosian Death facilitator]

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Okay this episode is retty good at the start it gives atlantis more of a human touch but atlantis's heart and soul went out the window when Carson Beckett
died he was funny and he has the ancient gene and he didnt ascende
imean what was that.

I'mean c'mon i want coolness and thid episode had a really poor ending i mean the death is suppose to meaningful or is MGM having pay cuts. First Sg-1 now Beckett Ford and now Weir guys we must get ford weir and beckett back in the show some how even ifthey die i want the best out of starhate and im getting crap...

[bcfc]

I really enjoyed this which supprised me from reading the spoilers but it showed how the different relationships have evolved over the three years and it was done very well.

The only down fall was the exploding Tumours (What?) surely they could have come up with somthing better for Carson.

However it was touching at the end with Rodney and Carson

Very Sad!

[katrin]

Am I the only one thinking "Not that you know of, anyway"?

i took one look at the post and went


*UUUUUUHh rrrrrrr * shepp married *****

[Daniel Jackson]

If you have not seen "Sunday," click back, because this thread will contain spoilers!

I just saw "Sunday" with my dad tonight, and I have two major complaints about this episode. First off, I got bored with the episode depicting Sunday from everyone's perspective. The plot didn't kick in until the end, so it felt like a 12-minute episode. My second complaint is how they killed off Dr. Beckett. I don't mind that the character was killed off, but he died saving someone we've never heard of and will likely never see again. It would be far more effective if the other person with the explosive tumor was Teyla and Sheppard had to order Beckett to abandon her, then Beckett risks his life to save her and ultimately dies so she can live. Instead, we get Patient I-already-forgot-his-name.

[nonniemous]

It would be far more effective if the other person with the explosive tumor was Teyla and Sheppard had to order Beckett to abandon her, then Beckett risks his life to save her and ultimately dies so she can live. Instead, we get Patient I-already-forgot-his-name.

You know, that just might have sold me on the episode, too. Wow. Just that twist and his death becomes so much more meaningful in terms of their overall story arc and the show itself.

Wow. Why in the WORLD no one at Bridge could think that through...just goes to show the total paucity of creativity there right now.

[PG15]

I disagree. I think a no-name is what we needed, since otherwise it would be obvious that whoever it is would survive (given that we didn't hear rumors that say otherwise).

Besides, showing Carson saving a "random" guy just shows that he's willing to risk his life for anyone, like a good doctor should.

Just my 2 cents.