The Siege, Part 3 (201)

[J_B]

In Siege II, Col.Everett tells them that it was found under their noses in Egypt. SG-1 used the Time Jumper in 'Moebius' to go back & steal it from Ra.

[Unamed]

Did anyone notice the Wraith hand stunners? Or have these been shown before?

[T_S]

Did anyone notice the Wraith hand stunners? Or have these been shown before?

Yes, I saw'em too, kinda reminds me of how the Zats were introduced at the end of SG-1's first season ...

[Mr Prophet]

Did anyone notice the Wraith hand stunners? Or have these been shown before?

Makes sense though. After all, before they've basically met Wraith hunting parties, not a military strike force.

[Wass]

The wraith always had stunners they are not going to kill there only food source if they do that they can't feed on them.

[QuiGonJohn]

Great episode, good start to the season. I liked Daedulus and Col. Caldwell. Rewatched Seige 2 & 3. I couldn't beleive Jack would have picked Col. Everett to run the operation to Atlantis. He was such a jerk and treated the experts at Atlantis the same way other Pentagon baffoons treated SG-1 during the years Jack was on the team.

[T_S]

The wraith always had stunners they are not going to kill there only food source if they do that they can't feed on them.

Yes, they always did, but the point was that we only saw the large, two-handed stunners; in Siege Pt 3 they got smaller stunners that look like handguns.

[Wass]

Yes, they always did, but the point was that we only saw the large, two-handed stunners; in Siege Pt 3 they got smaller stunners that look like handguns.

Probably because they are easier to carry around in war zone.

[J_B]

In general I liked the episode and thought it was well written with one glaring exception:

SuperFord.

I felt like that subplot was crammed into the episode ackwardly, and that to make it work they had to make all the other major characters act in unintelligent ways.

1) After attacking Beckett he should have been restrained or put in a cell, they were in a situation that was too important to deal with the distraction.
2) Posting only one guard, even as short handed as they were was just silly.
3) No one in sickbay noticing that Ford wasn't really sedated.
4) Beckett running to the control center to tell them about it rather than warning them over the radio which would have been undeniably faster.
5) The fact that Ford could magically fly a jumper when he's never been able to before, and the throw away explaination about how Atlantis is going to get the jumper back.

I don't have an objection to the subplot in theory, but there should have been an entire episode directed to it, not this ... leaching onto an already full episode.

1. After the trauma he went through, I'm sure they cut him a break. Especially since he relinquished his hold on Beckett without anyone having to use force on him.
2. Same as above, he wasn't physically forced to let Beckett go. So I'm sure they didn't deem him a risk & expect him to go the way he did.
3. This is the first time that they have dealt with such a situation, Nobody knows what the effects of the enzyme were. Beckett or another of the medical staff, Would have given him a dosage appopriate to that of a normal human.
4. Ford warned Beckett not to follow him. So since he was about to shoot a patient in the head. Don't you think broadcasting it over the radio, where Ford could have intercepted it. In his current state of mind it would have put far more Atlantis personnel at risk, should they come into direct contact with him. So running to directly tells the others discreetly was a far more sensible thing to do.
5. After the 'Hot Zone' where he almost died as a result of not having the Gene, then I'm pretty sure not long after that particualr incident he would having been banging down Beckett's door for a little injection. Sinc ehe was always beside Shep at the front of the Jumper then I'm sure after months of this he picked up enough to let him fly it. Also Shep said that Ford would ditch the Jumper & gate to another planet. Therefore since they had his coordinates. They go out after him & do a quick scan for the PJ. Simply take another pilot with them & get him to take it back through the gate.

why didnt the ancients think to cloat the city?

I'd say the main reason is they would have thought it to be far too risky. If they cloaked it with all those enemy ships in orbit, it would have left them severely exposed with no shield for protection. So a single shot in the direction of the city would have resulted in some sort of explosion. Thus alerting the Wraith to the cloak part. When you get to the level of thinking that they were currently at, then they would have developed past the thinking that was necessary to come up with needed strategies. The exact same scenario was in 'Small Victories' where the Asgard couldn't deal with the Reps. Their strategy was to build bigger & more advanced technologies to combat the threat. Yet a few simple projectiles briefly turned the tide for a while.

[Tomcatter]

Loved this ep. First off, the special effects were incredible. The tension carried right over from Siege II and didn't miss a beat. Also, there was great interaction between Shep and Weir, Rodney was great, the new Ford was awesome, the Daedalus: holy crap. I actually found myself feeling sorry for Col. Everett, but that whole scene with Shep was great. Hermiod was cool and hiccup-lady didn't actually annoy me. Looking forward to more and can't wait to see what Col. Caldwell brings to the table!

[Tok'Ra Hostess]

Ooof!

This ep was fantastic, start to finish! Lots and lots and whole lots of imaginative solutions to incredible obstacles, inside and outside of the city's shields. Smart Wraith and a well-delivered presentation of the Ancient's dilema; they could win battles but not the war.

Ford is getting such a cool storyline, now. He's got quite the edge to him and I'm really curious to know how he's gonna feed his terrible addiction.

I'm so glad to see Novak on the ship, working with the Asgard. I like her character, and I think I'm going to like their dynamic.

I loved how the soldiers were all acting heroicly, and how good their aim was, and for once I didn't roll my eyes when Rodney's security escort was taken out by the Wraith. Good job on that, writers!

The pacing was perfect, the action non-stop, IMO; I never took my hand away from my throat the whole time.

Excellent job, PTB, cast and crew.

I think that Atlantis is not just another run-of-the-mill shoot-em-up with lotsa cool 'splosions; it's got a great, true to the genre SF storyline to it. Keep this up and Atlantis will sit in the coveted #2 spot in my SF DVD collection(B5 remains firmly entrenched at #1 )

[SGalisa]

I wanted to say something hopefully logical in reply to everyone questioning why/how could Sheppard suddenly be coming up with all the possible ways to get/overcome the next obstacles encountered...

I think it's because he has MENSA level qualities, but doesn't always publicly show it. Plus, it may have something to do with his past from being on rescue missions and being forced to come up with workable solutions for the rescue, when "Plan A" fails to work.

Originally posted by Merlin7:
I was excited all the way through. The reviews for SGA were harsh. And most blew it off as an all techno ep. heh. Must be they watched something else. It rocked out. ...I was riveted to SGA.

I don't usually read the external reviews any more from known TV critics. After Cinescape's last trashing of SG:A "Siege (part 1)", and after seeing too many pro-BSG "reviews" while they trash Stargate, it's not worth time to invest.

Chances are, it's a preference -viewers taste- related issue. Reviews no longer seem to be coming from an objective perspective -being able to see all sides of a POV, especially when their own minds and hearts have already decided what they determine is their *favorite* program of the night. They make the calls based on (political) favoritism, and deliberately muck the reviews on purpose to offset what the viewers *might* want instead.

I just find it strange that occasionally there is a 180 degree turn-around, when certain other shows dip in the ratings (no need to name those here), and SG ends up being praised. I just get really suspicious over seeing stuff like that mostly because within a week or so, the pendulum swings back the other way (sounds like TV politics).

Originally posted by Merlin7:
The humor was the icing on the cake. No matter how serious a situation, there's always something funny that happens. So that made it all the more realistic and it's why SGA works for me and BSG doesn't.

Humorous (but also serious) moments like watching McKay get cornered by the Wraith, especially when his gun clip fell out!

I've been searching for months on a *right* answer to this, and think I finally found it...

MAYBE... I think the best *realistic* way to explain this phenomenon can be summed up as:

Murphy's Law (in action!)

Best made plans of mice and men gone astray. People who are perfect and immune (even semi-immune) to Murphy's Law just will NEVER ever understand seeing the humor side to it.

And me being a naturally cynical and pessimistic soul, I have had to *learn* to laugh when things don't always go right 99% of the time. If I don't laugh, I either get fumingly angry or cry. Laughing is better therapy. It doesn't solve the problem, but eases the pain and makes living with it (being unavoidable) more tolerable.

That's why I personally find the *humor* invested worth the effort when Stargate includes it during it's most problematic moments. Because it IS realistic! People who cannot see that, have a different sense of humor altogether, and therefore will never see it from the way we've grown used to actually *living* with it (in real life!).

[MartoufMarty]

May I interest anyone in some icons?

All from this episode:

[PsychoPenguin]

I wanted to say something hopefully logical in reply to everyone questioning why/how could Sheppard suddenly be coming up with all the possible ways to get overcome the next obstacles encounted...

I think it's because he has MENSA level qualities, but doesn't always publicly show it. Plus, it may have something to do with his past from being on rescue missions and being forced to come up with workable solutions for the rescue, when "Plan A" fails to work.

Yeah, that's what I thought too. That's why I didn't have any problem with it.

I also saw it as Shep finally accepting, both intellectually and emotionally, being "one of the guys in charge." I think he's one of those people who never really wanted responsibility, so even over the course of the last few months, he's been subconsciously holding pieces of himself back. Now though...well, he was ready to make a kamikaze run just a little while ago. Can't exactly pull back your commitment after something like that, can you?

Humorous (but also serious) moments like watching McKay get cornered by the Wraith, especially when his gun clip fell out!

I loved this because I thought, "OMG! He did exactly what I've always been afraid of doing!" Anyone who's ever handled a 9mm knows there's a little button/slide on the grip that if you push forward will automatically release your clip. When I first started learning how to shoot, I was hopelessly paranoid about accidentally pushing it, even though people kept reminding me that it wasn't all that likely. Thus, I *loved* seeing somebody actually do that, even if they were a fictional character. Also, I had no problem with the plausibility because it has more to do with how aware you are of your gun than how good of a shot you are. So to me, I saw it as Rodney getting carried away with how good he's gotten with his sidearm. And then doing something he'd never taken the time to learn was actually possible.

Hee, hee, hee...

[SGalisa]

MartoufMarty
LOL!

some of your still photos are *precious*
(Sheppard/Weir "welcome back" and
Ford: "Dangerous").

Rodney's are just plain hilarious, especially with him hiding behind the wall!