Rodney McKay/Elizabeth Weir Discussion/Ship/Appreciation

[ToasterOnFire]

Picking up some discussion for Hot Zone. Elizabeth and Rodney weren't physically near each other until the very end, but the radio contact could certainly be interpreted as shippy. What was Elizabeth thinking when she thought Rodney was going to die, especially after their near death experience in Eye? Does anyone think that Rodney's death speech in HZ was the same one he was going to give Elizabeth in Eye?

Plus the episode has that whole nasty Shep/Weir conflict, but I posted my grief about that over on the ep. thread. Still, it's interesting that Shep comes across as more the defiant one regarding Elizabeth while Rodney is more of one to agree with her. Maybe that's another reason why I like Rodney more? I also wonder if the boys are ever going to argue over one of Elizabeth's decisions.


Also a great Hot Zone tag story here. It's the last one in the AU McKay/Weir universe Meg created. I sure wish she'd write more!

[aaobuttons]

That was me, or at least I was one of the people who noticed that You're right, he never purposely says Lizabeth, but he speaks so darn fast and gets so excited that it comes out that way sometimes. I think maybe in Home or Hide and Seek you can hear it, but I'd have to double check to be sure!

I think I also agreed with you when this was brought up before. I certainly use it in my fic as such. He doesn't intentionally call her Lizabeth, he just forgets to say the E somtimes or smushes it together so it's very soft.

[aaobuttons]

As for Elizabeth being done any other way, Rodney may occasionally slur her name into 'lizabeth, but no one uses Liz or Lizzy or anything else. My thinking is that's because she prefers to be called Elizabeth.

Personally, I think anyone who has issues with McWeir being somehow demeaning to the characters should also object to calling her Liz or Lizzy--it's the same thing, really. I know I don't appreciate it when people use certain abbreviations of my name...plus, when they do that, I don't always realize it's me they're talking to.

Oh, and Rodney has also called her just "Weir" before, as opposed to "Dr. Weir." Of course, the one specific time I remember him doing that, he wasn't talking to her but about her, kind of how Elizabeth will sometimes call Rodney "McKay" when talking about him to others but "Rodney" or "Dr. McKay" when talking to him directly.

She doesn't seem the sort to want to go by something shorter like Liz or Lizzy, but I don't know if she would mind it. If Rodney, Peter, or Shep started calling her Liz, I think she might even be pleased that they think of her as a real person - a friend - and not just a boss.


And I don't think it's more impersonal for them to call eachother Weir and McKay. I work in a job where we Always call by last names. The military is the same way. It even oozes over into personal time. I've been here 3 years and I still don't know alot of my coworkers first names. Those that I have become friends with I still use their last names outside of work if I'm not thinking about it. I TRY to use their first name, but since I use their last name so often at work it comes out smoother when I'm rushed. With all the military folks running around, and everybody else calling her Weir or him McKay, they're just used to it and use it interchangingly.

[aaobuttons]

Picking up some discussion for Hot Zone. Elizabeth and Rodney weren't physically near each other until the very end, but the radio contact could certainly be interpreted as shippy. What was Elizabeth thinking when she thought Rodney was going to die, especially after their near death experience in Eye? Does anyone think that Rodney's death speech in HZ was the same one he was going to give Elizabeth in Eye?

See, I never thought that The Eye speech was going to have anything shippy in it... at least not overtly. The way he said it and when it happened just didn't seem like a time when he would pour out his feelings, not with Koyla there, and not when he thought they might live. Even if it hadn't worked, he could have tried again or something else to keep them alive. It wasn't like a Sheppard/Seige 2 situation, where it was pretty much a 100% chance of not surviving, and I think that it would have taken such a percentage to make him admit them to her there.

[Fanwoman]

Picking up some discussion for Hot Zone. Elizabeth and Rodney weren't physically near each other until the very end, but the radio contact could certainly be interpreted as shippy. What was Elizabeth thinking when she thought Rodney was going to die, especially after their near death experience in Eye? Does anyone think that Rodney's death speech in HZ was the same one he was going to give Elizabeth in Eye?

See, I never thought that The Eye speech was going to have anything shippy in it... at least not overtly. The way he said it and when it happened just didn't seem like a time when he would pour out his feelings, not with Koyla there, and not when he thought they might live. Even if it hadn't worked, he could have tried again or something else to keep them alive. It wasn't like a Sheppard/Seige 2 situation, where it was pretty much a 100% chance of not surviving, and I think that it would have taken such a percentage to make him admit them to her there.

See, I don't think either. My thinking was, his timing--before seeing if the repairs worked--pretty much indicates he's doubting their chances at that moment. However, if he thinks he's going to die, then he'd be thinking everyone else will, too. So I don't think he'd give her a death speech like the one from HZ, since she'd be dead along with him. Besides, even if they did survive the storm, from all indications Elizabeth could well die anyway. Why give Elizabeth a death speech like the one in HZ when either everyone would die or Rodney would be the last Atlantian to die because Kolya needed him?

So what do I think he was going to say in The Eye? I have a number of theories. That scene did not strike me as particularly shippy in my first viewing, but I managed to miss the beginning of the episode (i.e. THAT scene) the first time through. His emotions were running pretty high at the time, so I don't think something shippy would have been out of order. Anyway, whether there would have been any shippiness in it or not, I think he would either have apologized for his failure and/or offered options of what alternatives were possible. One of my most elaborate thoughts on the matter is that

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he would have offered to escort their captors in a Jumper to the Genii homeworld on the condition she get to gate to Manera.

That is, I think he'd have offered to sacrifice himself to save her and the others. Goodness knows, he's done it before and since.

[Fanwoman]

She doesn't seem the sort to want to go by something shorter like Liz or Lizzy, but I don't know if she would mind it. If Rodney, Peter, or Shep started calling her Liz, I think she might even be pleased that they think of her as a real person - a friend - and not just a boss.


And I don't think it's more impersonal for them to call eachother Weir and McKay. I work in a job where we Always call by last names. The military is the same way. It even oozes over into personal time. I've been here 3 years and I still don't know alot of my coworkers first names. Those that I have become friends with I still use their last names outside of work if I'm not thinking about it. I TRY to use their first name, but since I use their last name so often at work it comes out smoother when I'm rushed. With all the military folks running around, and everybody else calling her Weir or him McKay, they're just used to it and use it interchangingly.

That may be so in your case, but I really don't think it is for Elizabeth. The use of personal names is normally considered more intimate, and their use in the show has certainly implied it is no different for her. It's taken her a long time to call Sheppard "John" and for Rodney to call Zelenka "Radek." When Rodney is feeling peevish or is trying to suggest a professional detachment, he uses "Dr. Weir."

Also, pretty much everyone I know with a name that can be shortened into something else has very strong, personal preferences as to which variation on their name they'd prefer to be called. Names are fundamental aspects of self, so this is understandable. While I'm sure Elizabeth would be diplomatic about it if someone called her "Liz," if she preferred "Liz" or what have you, she probably would have said so by now. That no one, not even Simon, calls her anything but Elizabeth is a pretty clear indication Elizabeth is her preferred personal name.

[Porthos1013]

Okay, I was just thinking about this after seeing Mutant X tonite, and my thought process is anything but coherent on the matter, so I'll just throw my observations out there and let them fall where they may. In his Mutant X ep, he guest stars opposite Jessica Steen, the original Dr. Weir, as her boyfriend. So, in a really messed up, round-a-bout way, McKay and Weir have already had a relationship!

...waits for the Logic Go Boom graphic...

Anyways... Okay, here's another random observation: Rodney claims to like only blondes, but since coming to Atlantis (i.e. since meeting Elizabeth), none of the women he's been attracted to have been blonde. There was Brotherhood chick (can't remember her name), Dumais (flirted with her in HZ), the girl from the Season 2 promo, and

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possibly Katie Brown, but we don't know her haircolor yet.

Do you think he might be subconciously attracted to women who remind him of Elizabeth?

[Porthos1013]

Wow, I guess my post killed the thread. 12 hours with no posts? McKay would not be pleased, slackers! Okay, here's a question to get discussion started again: When do you think McKay and Weir first fell for each other? I'm not talking about the little crush/attraction between them, because I think that's always been there, since Rising. I mean when do you think they really fell hard in love with the other?

[Sirnonenath]

Okay, here's a question to get discussion started again: When do you think McKay and Weir first fell for each other? I'm not talking about the little crush/attraction between them, because I think that's always been there, since Rising. I mean when do you think they really fell hard in love with the other?

Good question! To be honest and to sound like a poor excuse for a shipper, I don't think that it has happened yet. There is a lot of potential and a lot of mutual attraction like you said, but I think true and deep romantic feelings are not yet present. The closest they've come I think is in Letters From Pegasus when

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Rodney finds out that Elizabeth is sending a personal message to someone [Simon]. You don't know what you want until you see it start to slip away, perhaps?

I'm interested in what everyone else thinks. I am easily persuaded to change my views. . . so tell me what I'm not seeing!

[groovekittie]

I don't think they're in love ... yet. But that's the fun part of 'ships on shows. They evolve.

Also ... does anyone know of any McKay/Weir fansites? I can only find a few personal fic archives, and very few of those. Most of them also contain other stuff too. I'm wondering if there's *any* sites dedicated to just this 'ship with wallpapers and icons and fic and stuff of that nature ... with more than just an index page and a "coming soon" sign. *sigh*

I'm going through some serious withdrawal here! lol I got the Rising DVD last week for an early birthday present from my brother and sister and the first season isn't realeased until November here in Canada and the second season doesn't start until next month! *flail*

[ToasterOnFire]

Okay, I was just thinking about this after seeing Mutant X tonite, and my thought process is anything but coherent on the matter, so I'll just throw my observations out there and let them fall where they may. In his Mutant X ep, he guest stars opposite Jessica Steen, the original Dr. Weir, as her boyfriend. So, in a really messed up, round-a-bout way, McKay and Weir have already had a relationship!

...waits for the Logic Go Boom graphic...

Ah crud, I searched for Droops's logic go boom graphic but the thread it appeared on has thankfully disappeared. Bummer.
Interesting observation Porthos! Something to file under our "great conspiracy of McKay/Weir" section along with your encounter of "Elizabeth McKay", my thought that certain pics of Elizabeth look like Six and pics of Rodney look like Balthar from BSG, and Hans's various observations of camera, makeup, and costuming on SGA to push M/W.

Anyways... Okay, here's another random observation: Rodney claims to like only blondes, but since coming to Atlantis (i.e. since meeting Elizabeth), none of the women he's been attracted to have been blonde. There was Brotherhood chick (can't remember her name), Dumais (flirted with her in HZ), the girl from the Season 2 promo, and

Spoiler:

possibly Katie Brown, but we don't know her haircolor yet.

Do you think he might be subconciously attracted to women who remind him of Elizabeth?

The Brotherhood gal was Allina and according to Martin

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there are no stories next season so far that have her, so that may be the end of that possible relationship.

He flirted with Dumais in HZ? Must have missed that one completely. And don't forget in Home

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his almost successful encounter with his dark haired "neighbor"!

There is a definite difference between what he says he prefers in women and the women he actually appears to be interested in. I chalk it up to his blonde statement being more bravado or an overexaggeration than anything else. I can't imagine that all of the women that he's been involved with or liked before Atlantis have been blonde. That's why I never took the "he can't date Elizabeth, she's not blonde" counterargument seriously.

The subconscious attraction is certainly possible. Perhaps he's attracted to Elizabeth but knows he can't have a relationship with her because of the Simon/boss/self-doubt issues, so subconsciously he's seeking out women that look like her? He could be consciously doing it too, but that seems something more suited for a darkfic than anything near canon.

[ToasterOnFire]

Also ... does anyone know of any McKay/Weir fansites? I can only find a few personal fic archives, and very few of those. Most of them also contain other stuff too. I'm wondering if there's *any* sites dedicated to just this 'ship with wallpapers and icons and fic and stuff of that nature ... with more than just an index page and a "coming soon" sign. *sigh*

Ack, we are indeed lacking on a good M/W website for the moment. In case you missed it, the best collection of M/W fiction is currently on fanfiction.net here.
Fortunately, Hans (Purpleyin) has been hard at work trying to make the ultimate M/W site with the best fanfic collection, wallpapers, links to vids, pics, interviews, hopefully everything shippy! The release date was set for July 15 to coincide with the start of season 2, but I'm not sure if we're going to make that date. Hans has been plenty busy with RL stuff and I'm not sure what we can do to help at the moment. Hopefully she can let us know when she gets back.

I'm going through some serious withdrawal here! lol I got the Rising DVD last week for an early birthday present from my brother and sister and the first season isn't realeased until November here in Canada and the second season doesn't start until next month! *flail*

Don't get me started on withdrawl; it's been bugging me since the season ended in what, March?! Only about a month to go...GW does help ease the pains.


Oh, and welcome to the thread! Make yourself comfortable and have fun absorbing all the weirdness within.

[Porthos1013]

He flirted with Dumais in HZ? Must have missed that one completely. And don't forget in Home

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his almost successful encounter with his dark haired "neighbor"!

Well, maybe flirted is too strong a word. Does it defy the english language to say he flirted with flirting with Dumais? Anyway, what he said was

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"The lovely and talented Dumais" and gave her kind of a flirty little smile, and she smiled back.

I took that to be flirting, although on a subtle level. And as for the thing in Home, I'm so glad you mentioned that! I knew I was forgetting someone!

He could be consciously doing it too, but that seems something more suited for a darkfic than anything near canon.

Sounds like a good idea for a fic. Anyone want to write it? I would but I'm kind of dark-ficced out at the moment, I'm currently outlining an Evil!Rodney fic.

[groovekittie]

Thank you Toaster! ACtually, the season ended for us here in Canada in January! So yah ... *serious* withdrawal here.

I began thinking about the lack of a site just recently because I run the geek!love site (the little linky is in my siggy) over at Abydos Gate. It's the David Hewlett/McKay subsite there. Anyway, we just opened a Sheppard/Weir 'shipper subsite and I started thinking ... are there any McKay/Weir sites? Would there even be any interest? Other than me of course. lol

[aaobuttons]

Well, maybe flirted is too strong a word. Does it defy the english language to say he flirted with flirting with Dumais? Anyway, what he said was

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"The lovely and talented Dumais" and gave her kind of a flirty little smile, and she smiled back.

It was definetly flirting. I'd like to think it was just playful, but he worked with her, so maybe it was more. I'd be an interesting fic to explore more into that.