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Originally posted by AthenakttElizabeth had been calling John, "John" since "Rising"
John hadn't started calling Elizabeth by her first name until "Hot Zone."gumboYaYa: you are all beautiful, your words and openness are what make that shine. don't forget how much talent love and beauty you all have. so for now, peace love love love more love and happy, and thank you, thank you, thank you
love Torri
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Originally posted by VixenAnd this is in case Conversion didn't cast doubts of that kind aside. Thanks Martin (love the name ) TPTB just keep giving reasons why these two would work and that having them in a possible romantic relationship wouldn't "weaken" their characters.
Spoiler:i noticed that John let the Wraithish side of himself out with everyone. He jumped Teyla, in was obviously nothing more than a moment of mindless lust, he beat up Ronin...but Elizabeth he left alone. He struggled to be himself everytime he was in the room with her. He went out of the way to protect her, warning her to put extra guards on the door, and (asfar as i can remember) never attacks her...when the Wraithish part of him does gain control, he smashes a door, not her. Obviously John's feelings for her are strong enough to protect Elizabeth, even when he dosn't have control of himself. Whereas Teyla was just an object of lust, and probably any woman would have done there, Elizabeth is something precious, that must be protected, and that he daren't let himself get too close to her in case he hurts her. I think his deepest instinct, then and always, is to protect Elizabeth
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Originally posted by AthenakttBut if the TPTB decided to ignore that list and continue with the S/W and R/T goodness going on right now.
I don't mind at all.
LMAO! That is so true. When I wasn't married, if a man I worked with had taken the time and effort to find out my Birthday and take special pains to pick me out a Birthday present he thought I'd enjoy and bring it back to me from a trip he went on, and then winked and grinned and flirted as he gave it to me, I think the logical conclusion I'd come to was that he just might have some kind of special feelings for me. There are men and women in my dept. here at work that I consider to be good friends I've worked around for years that I've never received so much as a card from on my B-day. Sure, it wasn't roses he gave her but just the idea of giving a woman a personal gift like that shows that he thinks of her above others in a special way. My husband doesn't go to that much effort most times!
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Originally posted by michellebWhen did they start calling ech other John and Elizabeth? I'm sure it was pretty early on. I wonder who 'first-named' who first?
Mel and Bama, your lists are great but I hope TPTB don't see them. It is still beyond all logic to me how folks still see Sheyla. I don't mean to insult anybody, but just speaking for myself it just floors me. I rewatched Conversion during the marathon last week and had a sudden epiphany. oh no, not again Anyway, Carson says thatSpoiler:John is secreting iratus pheromones through his sweat glands. Well hello, didn't he sweat when he and Teyla were stick fighting right before he suddenly loses control of his gentlemanly side? And since pheromones are used to attract a mate, well you do the math.
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Originally posted by MelyannaTen things TPTB would have to do to make Shep/Teyla UST more than a figment of someone's imagination:
3) Give them scenes together that don't have to do with work.
5) Have a chat with Rachel Luttrell and Jason Momoa about their characters' vibe, and how it's not supposed to be sexy or anything.
6) Have a chat with Torri Higginson and Joe Flanigan about their characters' vibe, and how it's not supposed to be intimate or anything.
8) Stop having John show more personal interest in Elizabeth than in the others.Spoiler:Teyla gets kidnapped?
10) Stop tagging on these random scenes with John and Elizabeth where they're talking about work, but totally comfortable with each other in every sense of the word.Last edited by Doves; 11 January 2006, 10:16 AM.
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Originally posted by michellebAnd it seems to me that he's participating fully in the flirting. Like...she'll be chattng, especially if she's chatting to another man, and he'll make a joke, and he'll be makng the joke for her, so she'll have to turn round, and smile at him, and they have that little conversation purely with their eyes.
Originally posted by AthenakttBut if the TPTB decided to ignore that list and continue with the S/W and R/T goodness going on right now.
I don't mind at all.Mirror, Mirror: Melyanna's multi-fandom fic site
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Originally posted by BamaI'd love to see his reaction when Elizabeth doesn't have 'time' for him! LOL! Maybe she'd be too busy showing Daniel around Atlantis and John interrupts and Elizabeth shows him a marked lack of that riveted attention he's so accustomed to from her. Just a subtle bit of hurt or maybe snide comment to one of the others that they raise their eyebrows or smirk at.
Can't you just see McKay rolling his eyes as John gets all flustered??
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Originally posted by michellebI thought Conversion was incredibly shippy, despite..in a way because of that scene. i'd better explain myself..
Spoiler:i noticed that John let the Wraithish side of himself out with everyone. He jumped Teyla, in was obviously nothing more than a moment of mindless lust, he beat up Ronin...but Elizabeth he left alone. He struggled to be himself everytime he was in the room with her. He went out of the way to protect her, warning her to put extra guards on the door, and (asfar as i can remember) never attacks her...when the Wraithish part of him does gain control, he smashes a door, not her. Obviously John's feelings for her are strong enough to protect Elizabeth, even when he dosn't have control of himself. Whereas Teyla was just an object of lust, and probably any woman would have done there, Elizabeth is something precious, that must be protected, and that he daren't let himself get too close to her in case he hurts her. I think his deepest instinct, then and always, is to protect Elizabeth
And in the second bedroom scene, he could easily have killed her. Instead, he wasn't even holding her tightly enough to choke her, or even leave a mark. Then he went out and knocked out what, six or seven guys before Ronon finally stunned him? I still think that John Sheppard still had a shred of control and was trying desperately not to hurt her. After all, through most of the series, John has had a drive to protect Elizabeth at all costs.
In fact, my favorite bit of Coup d'État wasSpoiler:when John's reasoning for not wanting to trust the Genii – and not wanting Elizabeth to trust the Genii – was that they'd tried to kill Elizabeth on two separate occasions.Mirror, Mirror: Melyanna's multi-fandom fic site
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Originally posted by DoveI'm curious how Michael will play out. Who will show most concern when SPOILERS (Highlight below to read):Spoiler:
Teyla gets kidnapped?
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Originally posted by MelyannaGood observation. The scene that comes to mind is in Instinct, when John's sitting there making jokes while Carson and Elizabeth are trying to have a serious conversation, and she can't help but turn around and smile at him. I think the actors instigated those moments, though, and the writers and directors followed.
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Originally posted by AthenakttMy money is on Ronon. Because I personally see him as Teyla's protective Angry Monkey. But I should leave that to the Spanky thread.Mirror, Mirror: Melyanna's multi-fandom fic site
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Originally posted by Southern RedAnyway, Carson says thatSpoiler:John is secreting iratus pheromones through his sweat glands. Well hello, didn't he sweat when he and Teyla were stick fighting right before he suddenly loses control of his gentlemanly side? And since pheromones are used to attract a mate, well you do the math.
The thought has crossed my mind more than once. She looks at him with about as much excitement as most people would look at a piece of wood.
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