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Proper Stargate Rewatch -- season 10 of SG-1
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Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostAre you being sarcastic here or for reals?
Cause err.... I didn't watch SGU out of spite, but not necessarily out of spite for the cancellation of SGA, just a general out of spite.
Since then I've watched a few minutes here and there, and got all woozy in the head from the shaking camera.
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I watched SG1 from the beginning as it aired on Belgian TV and was a huge fan. Still am to this day, though SGA did take first spot.
I must say I was surprised that they did manage to get the 'names' they did though - Robert Carlyle, LG Jnr, Rhona Mitra, Ming Na. Mind you, I guess they were all recognisable but not A list per se. Still, casting like that must have run the production costs up somewhat
Originally posted by Pearl of Atlantis76 View PostI personally prefer the last seasons of SG1, i have watched all the episodes from seasons 7 to 10 (although i have watched many episodes from the other seasons, but i know there are still quite a few that i missed.) I think SG1 become more interesting when they begun searching for things related with the Ancients.
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostI was being serious. I didn't realize that anyone actually did that, but if that's the way you felt, you probably wouldn't have liked it no matter what. We started watching it out of curiosity, hoping that it would be good but the more we watched the less we liked it.
I did resent the fact, though, that they seemed to think we would continue watching even if we didn't like it just because it was Stargate. Everybody I know in RL who was a Stargate fan was very disappointed in SGU. The lack of humor and unlikable characters were the main complaints.
And you only need to look through this thread to see that not everyone's tastes are the same. There's no way I could convince you to watch Family Guy for me (there's probably a better example than that but it was the first one to pop into my head) because its infantile, profane and silly, just like none of you could convince me to watch Castle (beyond the snippets I have seen) because....well I didn't like it, no need to insult the show for no reason
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostI think I may join you in that. Mr. SR and I have established a strict "no more J.J.Abrams shows" policy now that Fringe is going off because his shows start out great and then get too complicated. TPTW for SGA, however, fall into a different category.
Very well said. I think the problem was that they did expect a different audience but didn't get one. They were hoping to keep the Stargate fans and add new viewers, but I guess it didn't happen.
I've noticed too that there don't seem to be very many SGU actors at cons these days. Chicago, unless I'm mistaken, doesn't have anyone from SGU scheduled.sigpic
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Originally posted by gateraid View PostThe bit in Reunion was being played for laughs, that may explain why not much thought went into characterisation. Not a very good call IMO
Originally posted by Pearl of Atlantis76 View PostI personally prefer the last seasons of SG1, i have watched all the episodes from seasons 7 to 10 (although i have watched many episodes from the other seasons, but i know there are still quite a few that i missed.) I think SG1 become more interesting when they begun searching for things related with the Ancients.
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostI was being serious. I didn't realize that anyone actually did that, but if that's the way you felt, you probably wouldn't have liked it no matter what. We started watching it out of curiosity, hoping that it would be good but the more we watched the less we liked it.
I did resent the fact, though, that they seemed to think we would continue watching even if we didn't like it just because it was Stargate. Everybody I know in RL who was a Stargate fan was very disappointed in SGU. The lack of humor and unlikable characters were the main complaints.
Originally posted by Infinite-Possibilities View PostI think the idea was that it was insulting on a general level because they blamed spite for being powerful enough to kill the show. And the implication being that there's no way that the fans wouldn't have disliked the show enough to kill it if they weren't bitter about SGA.
That might be a little unfair I suppose because in the past they seemed to understand that not all fans of one show necessarily will love the other too (one of them said as much on a SGA commentary. The Return Part 2, I think), but they certainly did seem to expect their new show to succeed based on brand loyalty.
But even if someone did want to support the Stargate in general, no fan should be expected to be watching something they don't like in order to support a franchise they do.
I think If one wants to make a different show fine. Expect a different audience.
Now that all the dust has settled, and I occasionally see SGU mixed in with other Stargate tributes on youtube and so forth, I've been sometimes struck by how little I miss that show.
Which is to say, I suppose technically I do, but not very much.
Also, it was a lame excuse for the producers. Like they had zero blame for not making a product that people wanted.
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostI think I may join you in that. Mr. SR and I have established a strict "no more J.J.Abrams shows" policy now that Fringe is going off because his shows start out great and then get too complicated. TPTW for SGA, however, fall into a different category.
Originally posted by drewandian View PostSK I'm just not a big LOTR fan in general. I tried to read and watch Fellowship and couldn't get through it. . . altho Liv Tyler makes a cute elf and the music is fantastic
Originally posted by Nolamom View Posta little something I whipped up...
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Originally posted by gateraid View PostAnd you only need to look through this thread to see that not everyone's tastes are the same. There's no way I could convince you to watch Family Guy for me (there's probably a better example than that but it was the first one to pop into my head) because its infantile, profane and silly, just like none of you could convince me to watch Castle (beyond the snippets I have seen) because....well I didn't like it, no need to insult the show for no reason
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Originally posted by JT-2 View PostOh yeah. I listened to the commentary where Mallozzi thought it was just hilarious. Sorry, but that's not my Rodney who always respected and liked Elizabeth.
Nicely said. It also overestimates the online fan base. We're a tiny fraction of the entire audience who watches the shows. The vast majority of people who watched the shows had no idea of the BTS stuff with SGA being cancelled "because" of SGU.
I'm going to shock everyone and admit I've never seen any of the LOTR movies or read any of the books.
Family Guy!! I love Family Guy! It's based in my home state of RI. The places they mention on the show are real places. Like Barrington is a rich town. But the actors always pronounce Pawtucket wrong.sigpic
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Originally posted by gateraid View PostI think I heard that on one of the gen threads. Something about how EatG was supposed to be more than one part - that's why it seemed so rushed - and they were going to stay on earth a while. Also that Ronon was going to stay dead because Jason only had a contract til the end of s5 and wanted to leave to do 'other projects'.
Originally posted by gateraid View PostPlausible. But its a bit of a stretch for TPTW to use that plot device so long afterwards.
Originally posted by gateraid View PostThat may have been why the numbers dropped off after its premiere (some SG fans tuning in, and then tuning out because the show was so 'different') but I don't think that's why it failed. IMO it failed because s1 was so.....bad (bad characterisations and bad storylines). S2 was a vast improvement. Anyone who tuned in from about maybe the last two (?) eps of s1 and then watched from that point onwards would have had a better viewing experience.
Regardless, the shows (SGU v SG-1 & SGA) aren't comparable. Liking one won't translate to liking the others, and I think it was probably a little arrogant of TPTW to assume that viewers would just follow them over.
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It did get better (especially the characterisation) but if you didn't like it at all at that point, you made the right call by ditching it
Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostSince then I've watched a few minutes here and there, and got all woozy in the head from the shaking camera.
Originally posted by Infinite-Possibilities View PostI think the idea was that it was insulting on a general level because they blamed spite for being powerful enough to kill the show. And the implication being that there's no way that the fans wouldn't have disliked the show enough to kill it if they weren't bitter about SGA.
That might be a little unfair I suppose because in the past they seemed to understand that not all fans of one show necessarily will love the other too (one of them said as much on a SGA commentary. The Return Part 2, I think), but they certainly did seem to expect their new show to succeed based on brand loyalty.
But even if someone did want to support the Stargate in general, no fan should be expected to be watching something they don't like in order to support a franchise they do.
I think If one wants to make a different show fine. Expect a different audience.
Now that all the dust has settled, and I occasionally see SGU mixed in with other Stargate tributes on youtube and so forth, I've been sometimes struck by how little I miss that show.
Which is to say, I suppose technically I do, but not very much.
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Originally posted by JT-2 View PostOh yeah. I listened to the commentary where Mallozzi thought it was just hilarious. Sorry, but that's not my Rodney who always respected and liked Elizabeth.
Originally posted by JT-2 View PostOMG, that was Alias. Started off so strong, but got so freaking convoluted.
Originally posted by JT-2 View PostI'm going to shock everyone and admit I've never seen any of the LOTR movies or read any of the books.
Originally posted by gateraid View Post^ this. I don't know how I would have reacted to some of the s4 stuff had I not been on GW, but I suspect I would have given up on s4 because the early eps made no sense. If one needs to look 'outside' of the show in order to watch it, then they've made a boob somewhere(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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Originally posted by Nolamom View PostMy fanfics:http://evil_bad_evil.livejournal.com/3389.htmlMember of the Sisterhood of the Pantster Fan Fic Writers
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Originally posted by Scary Kitty View PostSounds like it was probably more speculation, rather than any known facts about S6/Extinction. The bit about Atlantis sticking around a while does seem plausible-- the beginning of Extinction was supposed to show that Atlantis had been moved to the far side of the moon, which does seem to imply they had been there for a while.
Not really. Put it on a delayed timer and catch whoever "stole" Atlantis off guard when they think the coast is clear, so to speak.
I stuck around for the first six episodes of SGU, then bailed when I realized that I was bribing myself with episodes of another show I found more interesting (Defying Gravity) after I watched each episode of SGU. Didn't come back until the second half of SGU S2 in order to do timeline research for Atlantis Rising (since some of our early episodes would be taking place at the same time as events on SGU). I definitely agree with you that S2 seemed to achieve a better balance between character moments and storytelling/worldbuilding. (As opposed to S1, which (at least, those episodes I watched) felt more like 'fix the broken system of the week before everyone on the ship DIEZ' sort of thing.) I think one of their problems was that TPTW waited too long to start unfolding some of the season-spanning storyarcs; the discovery of why the Ancients sent out the Destiny and Rush's obsession with completing that mission was fascinating to me and I always thought it was a shame they waited until S2 to really kickstart it.sigpic
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Originally posted by gateraid View PostHere was I thinking I was the only one
And Nolamom, that work of yours is breathtaking.
Interesting discussion about SG-1 and SGU. Unfortunately, I don't have anything I can really add, but it's nice to learn more about what was going on behind the scenes of those two shows and how they related to SGA. Like a couple of others commented, I wasn't attracted by the mythology of SG-1, which is why that show didn't appeal to me. From what I know, SGU also took on a completely darker tone, so while it was character-driven, I don't think that I would have enjoyed that show, either. But Atlantis was just... wow. Aside from a very diverse and very strong cast, I think that I was most impressed by the sense of adventure and wonder the city brought. The idea of uncovering the mysteries of the city and travelling off-world to meet new cultures was simply awe-inspiring, and there was a sense of comfort whenever off-world teams came back home to Atlantis at the end of the day. I like how Atlantis was home to the expedition.
Compared to SG-1, Atlantis doesn't really have a mythological background, so I also appreciated how everything about Atlantis was just... believable, you could say. I felt that everything in the show could happen in real life. It's a bit difficult to explain, but I can just imagine, in real life, that an expedition comprised of ordinary humans from Earth, be they scientists or military, travels to another galaxy to discover a lost technologically-advanced city. I say "ordinary humans" to emphasize that these were just normal people like us who just happened to place themselves in extraordinary circumstances. They didn't have any superpowers, only their own knowledge and wits that they used to help them survive. And that's also why the characters appealed to me, because the problems they encountered were so similar to those we deal with in our lives, and I've always felt that I could easily connect to and empathize with them.sigpic
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Originally posted by gateraid View Post
^ this. I don't know how I would have reacted to some of the s4 stuff had I not been on GW, but I suspect I would have given up on s4 because the early eps made no sense. If one needs to look 'outside' of the show in order to watch it, then they've made a boob somewhere
The first few seasons were terrible though, I can see why it got cancelled. Also, all that hype about Ted - it was just Family Guy with a bear, fcol! (still funny though - the deposit in the lounge had me in stitches)
Originally posted by JT-2 View PostOh yeah. I listened to the commentary where Mallozzi thought it was just hilarious. Sorry, but that's not my Rodney who always respected and liked Elizabeth.
I've watched all the Vala episodes (just loved her) and a smattering of others.
OMG, that was Alias. Started off so strong, but got so freaking convoluted.Aspen AstroAstrid, but won't miss the show.
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Originally posted by Raelis View PostWhat pisses me off immensely is the fact that when the Stargate franchise is mentioned somewere in the press, it's SG-1 and SGU that are mentioned, and SGA gets ignored.
All you people who don't like LOTR are dead to me. Just sayin'. I've been a fan of Tolkien since high school, when along with my nerdy friends read the books and wrote "Frodo lives" on our notebooks to annoy and confuse the jocks. We've waited lo these many years for a good movie treatment, and now we are in fantasy nerd heaven. We never thought we'd have to wait until we qualified for the senior discount.
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