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Originally posted by Southern Red View PostDropping off my latest wallpaper. I've been doing tutorials on Photoshop Elements. I hope the hard work shows with a few new skillz. The background is a piece of art I saw in the Washington Post. The text is from an Adele song. Can you find the title?
Spoiler:I tell you Teal'c, hockey is the coolest game on Earth!
Did you not say it is played on ice, O'Neill?
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Originally posted by Southern Red View PostDropping off my latest wallpaper. I've been doing tutorials on Photoshop Elements. I hope the hard work shows with a few new skillz. The background is a piece of art I saw in the Washington Post. The text is from an Adele song. Can you find the title?
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Talking about the DVD covers.... I have the 5 season set DVDs which don't have those pictures. Each one has a different person on the front S1-John, S2-Rodney, S3-Teyla, S4-Ronon, S5-Michael(?!?!). And there are little pictures on the bottom and back. Elizabeth only appears in a little square on the S1 DVD. They completely took her out of the pictures altogether. Stupid #@$@. I bet certain producers were behind that. *grumbles*
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Originally posted by gateraid View PostThe irony of her saying that she wasn't invisible is that is how TPTW had treated her for the previous season. Did she even get her own ep in s3?
I think the military angle might've worked if they played it up a bit more - have Carter overrule Shep on something, have her force Rodney to do something....that sort of thing. Aside from referring to her as Colonel, there was no real difference between her and either Woolsey or Weir (okay, once or twice she pushed buttons on the Deadalus and the Apollo because she happened to be there). It didn't help that she wore a civilian uniform
There were plenty of ways they could have used her, but went for what turned out to be a bad fit. They only have themselves to blame
Well...they actually gave Woolsey an arc, which they didn't really do for Carter (other then Teal'C saying "you've come into your own here")
They should've taken a look at what they'd done in the past. They wanted Hammond to be a foil for O'Neill - that didn't work. They shifted O'Neill into the role because RDA wanted less shooting time - he got arguably more screentime, certainly the show was a lot more SGC-based. Then there was Landry - given that Beau was a 'name' actor, he actually had to have some screentime, even going offworld on occassion. So they all ended up being different to intended.
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostI hadn't really thought about that, sorry FH, but you're right. I remember there was a big buildup to S3 with TPTB saying that Teyla was going to fly a hive ship. This had her fans speculating that she was actually going to have her own ship and at last a big role, but you see how that went. I guess her parts in The Ark and Submersion were supposed to suffice. Much like Sheppard in most of S5, she became a supporting character even before the pregnancy. With eps like The Ark and Vengeance, she became the damsel in distress, and most of S3 ended up being the McShep show. I'm not complaining about that because I loved the boys together in a purely platonic nonslashy kind of way.
And I love the boys together. JoeF and David have great bromance chemistry in a purely platonic nonslashy kind of way.
I was fully expecting her to have problems with Rodney, but it never came about. I fully expected her to clash on occasion with Shep, again nothing. In fact, JF said that they had wanted to do that but she was just too nice and his character couldn't be seen being mean to her, or some such. And in reality, since she outranked him, Shep had to do what she told him. Then in S&R when he stood up to her, she totally backed down and let him do whatever he wanted. When Elizabeth did that, she was accused of being weak and having a silly schoolgirl crush, so you just can't win with some people. But you're right, there was no discernible difference between Carter and Weir, and to some extent Woolsey. You'd never have guessed this was the same Carter from SG-1.
Woolsey got quite a bit of character growth also, and a lot of viewers actually changed their opinion of him. Sam never had one minute of anything personal that I recall after the first ep she was in yet they had everybody acting like she was their best friend and talking about how wonderful she was. That didn't set well with me, especially when we saw her eating with the team. I was very annoyed by that.
And yeah, I actually liked Woolsey during S5. I felt like he wasn't the IOA's puppet anymore ... or am I blurring canon with a fic that I wrote? Oh well.
A lot of their decisions were based on RL events, which I guess is understandable when you are dealing with actors and their lives. But they just worked it out so awkwardly. They originally said Weir and Sheppard would be a bit antagonistic, but then backed off when they saw how well they worked together. At least they had the good sense to go with that, but it's unfortunate they didn't take it to the logical conclusion.
Originally posted by Brie View PostHi everyone! I just wanted to say that I will be of on a spontaneous mini-vacation from tomorrow until Saturday so I won’t be here but I’ll hope you guys will have a great week.
The only one who really reacted to the change in command in a way that I felt was the most believable was Ronan and I personally really liked that.
Speaking of Teyla’s part in season 3, I really did react to the season 3 DVD cover was how cut around it was and it didn’t really go together, I mean they had John in the front with a replicator-gun (I don’t remember what they are called), and Elizabeth and Rodney behind him in full battle gear with p-90s in their hands (though I gotta say that I love how the angle make it looks like Elizabeth has John’s back in the field), and than they had Ronan with his Sateda outfit which worked well but then it looks like they just remember to add in Teyla as an after though and they chose one of the promo pics of her (and if they chose promo pics of all of them I would love a solo shoot of the Elizabeth on the cover btw) and she does look great but it’s not what I would expect, other than that it’s a good cover, I love the choice of colours they used.
http://i41.tinypic.com/6qa4ut.jpgOriginally posted by Scary Kitty View PostThe irony of that cover is that they basically pasted Weir's head onto a shot of Teyla's body in battle gear. The watch on "Weir's" hand is the big clue; that's Teyla's watch, not Weir's. Clearly, whoever did that cover obviously thought Weir was a more important character than Teyla in order to place Weir so prominently. That's not the only "mistake," either: Sheppard's body is also flipped; his hair is pointing the wrong way (it looks like they did the same with Teyla). And is it just me, or does Rodney's head look too big for his body?
The photo of her is from the promos from "The Return". FAIL.
Teyla looks like an exotic belly dancer. FAIL.
Rodney's head looks too pale and narrow. FAIL.
You flipped Teh Pretteh's Hair. I don't even know if that's forgivable or not. FAIL.
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Stunt casting is right, and the way they tried to force feed her down our throats with having all the characters say how great she was (without showing us why they thought she was great) was even more of a slap in the face. Grr. It's clear that TPTW wanted what they wanted, but what I can't understand is how they could've done all that and been totally blind to the fact that they were totally sabotaging the show. I keep coming back to what JoeF said several times about ego and vanity.
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostDropping off my latest wallpaper. I've been doing tutorials on Photoshop Elements. I hope the hard work shows with a few new skillz. The background is a piece of art I saw in the Washington Post. The text is from an Adele song. Can you find the title?
And the title is down in the lower left corner. Nice!
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostJoe really does have a lot of knowledge and insight regarding show biz, doesn't he?
You are very observant. I never noticed all that. The Photoshop job is terrible too. The hair is much too smooth on the edges. Somebody needs to tell them about "refine edges." *snerk*
I also noticed that they spent quite a bit of time with the air brush tool on Rodney. David has a lot more personality in his face than that. Sheesh. And choosing a pic of Teyla in her bare belly outfit while everyone else was in battle gear was an insult to her character. But it shows us just what they thought of her, I guess.
Originally posted by Scary Kitty View PostJoe totally should've been showrunner in Seasons 4-5. Weir would never have been thrown under the bus, Torri would've remained on the regular cast, and we would've gotten at least a Season 6 to properly wrap stuff up. *sulks*
Working on fic while watching "Eureka" marathon ...
*lurks*
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Originally posted by Anuna View PostYou mean those which look like they're walking on the water, minus the water?Originally posted by Scary Kitty View Post*glomps Anuna*
Actually, the water ones look pretty good, mostly because they used real water. I was talking about the ones where they're all floating on the Gateroom staircase. Those were just appalling.
Yeah, I like the water ones too, but those staircase ones ... my cat could've done a better job.
Originally posted by Anuna View PostARGH. GateWorld just ate my reply. I meant those photos - they look like they're standing on water or thin air or something else that doesn't look solid at all. I just don't understand - when you can do so many wonderful things with PS, why ruining the pictures? Why photoshopping people who already look VERY good? To hide the fact that they're ageing? I mean, whom are they trying to fool?
Originally posted by Madness reigns View Post
I'm still jealous. Still figuring out GIMP and PS Elements ... need some tutorials. Gotta go back to that webpage SR sent me.
Originally posted by JT-2 View PostOooh, that's super pretty!! Great new skillz!!
Talking about the DVD covers.... I have the 5 season set DVDs which don't have those pictures. Each one has a different person on the front S1-John, S2-Rodney, S3-Teyla, S4-Ronon, S5-Michael(?!?!). And there are little pictures on the bottom and back. Elizabeth only appears in a little square on the S1 DVD. They completely took her out of the pictures altogether. Stupid #@$@. I bet certain producers were behind that. *grumbles*
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Originally posted by ShipperWriter View PostYeah, I like the water ones too, but those staircase ones ... my cat could've done a better job.
Ooh, me likee!!!
I'm still jealous. Still figuring out GIMP and PS Elements ... need some tutorials. Gotta go back to that webpage SR sent me.
By Stair ones I assume you mean these ones??
Interestingly I found these whilst perusing the interweb
Spoiler:
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Version2
Looks as though it wasn't the cast they photoshoped but the floor!
Why they couldn't have just left them well alone I will never know!
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Originally posted by Madness reigns View PostIf you want help with GIMP or anything like that the Art for All thread is a great place to start - and we're all kinda nice over there - mostly!
By Stair ones I assume you mean these ones??
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...uys/500_06.jpg
Interestingly I found these whilst perusing the interweb
Spoiler:
version1
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...tispromos5.jpg
Version2
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...5_promo300.jpg
Looks as though it wasn't the cast they photoshoped but the floor!
Why they couldn't have just left them well alone I will never know!
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Originally posted by Anuna View PostARGH. GateWorld just ate my reply. I meant those photos - they look like they're standing on water or thin air or something else that doesn't look solid at all. I just don't understand - when you can do so many wonderful things with PS, why ruining the pictures? Why photoshopping people who already look VERY good? To hide the fact that they're ageing? I mean, whom are they trying to fool?
But the stair photos still look crappy as sin. More on that later.
Originally posted by JT-2 View PostOooh, that's super pretty!! Great new skillz!!
Talking about the DVD covers.... I have the 5 season set DVDs which don't have those pictures. Each one has a different person on the front S1-John, S2-Rodney, S3-Teyla, S4-Ronon, S5-Michael(?!?!). And there are little pictures on the bottom and back. Elizabeth only appears in a little square on the S1 DVD. They completely took her out of the pictures altogether. Stupid #@$@. I bet certain producers were behind that. *grumbles*
Originally posted by ShipperWriter View PostTrue. She wore BDUs on SG-1 all the time. And even if she is the leader of the Expedition, she still could've worn them. Granted, the other military personnel on Atlantis wore the Expedition uniform as well ... John's the only one who wore the black BDUs.
Originally posted by ShipperWriter View PostIt's like a girl from another high school moving in and trying to fit in. That's the best example I can come up with.
Originally posted by ShipperWriter View PostWhen it's an ensemble cast, you expect everybody to get balanced roles.
And I love the boys together. JoeF and David have great bromance chemistry in a purely platonic nonslashy kind of way.
Originally posted by ShipperWriter View PostJoeF should never be PS'ed ... unless we're making him more pretteh.
Originally posted by Madness reigns View PostIf you want help with GIMP or anything like that the Art for All thread is a great place to start - and we're all kinda nice over there - mostly!
By Stair ones I assume you mean these ones??
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...uys/500_06.jpg
Interestingly I found these whilst perusing the interweb
Spoiler:
version1
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...tispromos5.jpg
Version2
http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...5_promo300.jpg
Looks as though it wasn't the cast they photoshoped but the floor!
Why they couldn't have just left them well alone I will never know!
(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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Originally posted by Scary Kitty View PostIf you look closely at the water ones, you'll see they're standing in the water, not on it. From the looks of the high-res shots, it appears that they set up some sort of large tank or something with a few inches of water in it, just enough to come up to a person's ankles. Use of practical effects instead of trying to Photoshop or CG something in after the fact always makes for a higher-quality shot.
But the stair photos still look crappy as sin. More on that later.
Which was utterly stupid, IMO. They should've had all the military in BDUs from the beginning. TPTW made such a fuss about how there was going to be conflict between the civilian and military divisions via Weir and Sheppard, putting them in different uniforms would've been a great visual reinforcement of that. But what do I know, I just took a few costume design classes while getting my bachelors' degree in Theatre.
Yep. They're in conflict.
PS -- check out my lovely PhotoShopping job!!! *smirk*
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Originally posted by Madness reigns View Post*Glomps Everyone*
I made another pretty
And thanks to everyone for liking my new one. I encourage others to join in.
Originally posted by ShipperWriter View PostI wouldn't have minded seeing Shep in more water. Heh heh heh.
Case in point:
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...ason2_29-1.jpg
Yep. They're in conflict.
PS -- check out my lovely PhotoShopping job!!! *smirk*
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Originally posted by Southern Red View PostLove your wallie. This thread is getting lots more arty.
And thanks to everyone for liking my new one. I encourage others to join in.
Good job. You got new skillz also.
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Originally posted by ShipperWriter View PostI wouldn't have minded seeing Shep in more water. Heh heh heh.
Originally posted by ShipperWriter View PostCase in point:
http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/...ason2_29-1.jpg
Yep. They're in conflict.
PS -- check out my lovely PhotoShopping job!!! *smirk*Originally posted by ShipperWriter View PostThanks. It's a work in progress ... now if only I could've gotten the shading right ...(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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