Originally posted by Bama
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They should have renamed this ep, 'Rodney Gets His'. Basically, that was the main premise of the episode and I have to admit, as much as I like Rodney, I'd just as soon he hadn't. He's a lot of fun walking around as the fathead, know it all -constantly. The ep reinforced a few things for me. First off, Elizabeth is more like a 'mother' to Rodney than she is anything else-including his friend. He needs mothering more. ; ) Even she practically admitted it. That 'whippin' she gave him in the last scene was a fitting one to underscore that too. She was tearing him a new one but GOOD and honestly, he deserved it.
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She was practically shredding him! Well... he DID destroy part of the galaxy. 
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Shep got used a bit by Rodney but you know, I almost think as many times as he has asked for Weir's blind trust and as much as Rodney has saved the team that he indeed *did* owe Rodney one. Yeah, Rodney blew it. And it almost cost them but you know, friends screw up sometimes and sometimes they hurt you a little in the process. Shep will get over it.
To me though, that 'trust' storyline wasn't nearly so interesting as the other 'background' stories of the same theme. This ep was the can opener for the proverbial *trust* 'can o' worms' that we've seen hinted at since Seige 3.
To me though, that 'trust' storyline wasn't nearly so interesting as the other 'background' stories of the same theme. This ep was the can opener for the proverbial *trust* 'can o' worms' that we've seen hinted at since Seige 3.
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I thought the trust storyline was decent. I mean, Rodney was being very hardheaded this episode and he trusted himself more than his friends although he asks them to trust them which seemed to fit. The thing that was nagging at me was the fact that Rodney was obsessing over the dang thing!
...okay, so it could have stopped all the pollution on earth, help defend Atlantis, and probably finish off the wraith but still! Radek wasn't obsessing was he?
...okay, so it could have stopped all the pollution on earth, help defend Atlantis, and probably finish off the wraith but still! Radek wasn't obsessing was he?
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One of the most interesting things was the Weir and Caldwell power interplay. Boy, was she on the defensive with him or what? Of course, she sees that she has a right to be after his past power manuvering. I loved that little snarky! line about his ship heading back soon! LOL! Mitch had a great reaction too. Good job there by both he and Torri. He wants Elizabeth's job-or at least John's. She sees him as untrustworthy and having ulterior motives. Can't say she's wrong even if he did seem on the up and up and all 'innocence' with his reasons about the weaponry Rodney was testing.
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-nods in agreement-
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Here again...we must pay close attention. Anyone notice how Rodney turned our attention -yet again- to the fact that Shep above all others has the trust of Elizabeth? He is her confidante in all matters. Watch the scene where they're discussing the matter around the table with Rodney, Caldwell, John and Elizabeth. Elizabeth is listening and seemingly not too upset by the incident *until* John vehmently says the thinks continuing to test the weaponry is too dangerous. The expression on her face says it all as she watches his emotional reaction and response. HIS opinion is the ONE that matters to her the most. Hands down. It took her no time, after listening to John, to come to the answer of 'no' for Rodney's testing and only John could have gotten her to change her mind-as Rodney well knew.
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That and remeber when Rodney was asking John to talk to Elizabeth? He asked him why he couldn't do that himself? Then he said it was because she trusts you. Just thought to add that bit 
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And believe me, Caldwell is shrewd and he's smart and he is paying close attention. We have Shep, who has now had his ass saved not once, but twice by Caldwell and his ship. Caldwell will call in the debt at some point too-*count on it*. He will ask John to side with him against Elizabeth and it will tear John's guts out. I think it may be in some sort of a coup attempt for power too which will tear out Elizabeth's. This TRUST between John and Elizabeth that we've seen built the last year and a half will get the most harsh test we can imagine. John, will feel torn...not out of any real loyalty to Caldwell but out of loyalty to his military ideals and his own ideals and codes. Caldwell will play this card against him. He knows John's problems and he is aware of his faults and weaknesses.
I think before the year is out we will see a huge tear in the trust between our girl and boy that will have to be repaired with a lot of TLC. They will both be tested I think-esp. John and I'm not very certain that he'll 'pass' the test-at least not in Elizabeth's eyes. I love where the PTB seem to be going with the trust factor between the two though. They are slowly eliminating all others as equally meaningful and trustworthy for John and Elizabeth and revealing to them that it can only truly be each other. The only way to build that trust is to test it and claw at it. The very building block of a long-term relationship between two people that care enough to try and find that trust together. Shep and Weir do care enough-about each other now and they will find it. I've no doubt.
Speaking of the 'trust' issue...We see the entire issue blowing up (literally) as well as figuratively in tonight's episode. Rodney and John. John and Elizabeth. Elizabeth and Caldwell. Caldwell and John. And then there is Teyla and Ronon. And in turn, Teyla and Ronon and John and Elizabeth. This was an interesting by-story developing that underlined and tied in nicely to the the main 'trust' theme we see developing on the whole. Ronon has some issues-no doubt. And if anyone could ever hope to heal this man or understand him completely, it could only be Teyla who has been through so much of the same herself. This ep sealed it for me-these two are heading on a collision course. And I like it- a lot, lot. There wasn't a lot of cheap flirtations between them and I like how they both have a shared inner fire and passion for what they see is wrong about the world they live in and who makes it so. This inner fire and passion will eventually turn them to each other. These two 'aliens' are different from their 'earthling' brethren as the Teyla pointed out. This 'secret' they agree to hide from their two friends Shep and Weir is the product of an understanding that only they, through their shared type experiences and trials can comprehend. This too will tie into the huge BREECH OF TRUST arc that I can see headed toward us like the proverbial freight train in the night.
I'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this ep. Overall, it was imo, a so/so ep with some interesting sides but the 'undertone' was where the action was at in this one. The explosions that will eventually rock Atlantis due to the trust issue may make Rodney's look mild in comparison.
I think before the year is out we will see a huge tear in the trust between our girl and boy that will have to be repaired with a lot of TLC. They will both be tested I think-esp. John and I'm not very certain that he'll 'pass' the test-at least not in Elizabeth's eyes. I love where the PTB seem to be going with the trust factor between the two though. They are slowly eliminating all others as equally meaningful and trustworthy for John and Elizabeth and revealing to them that it can only truly be each other. The only way to build that trust is to test it and claw at it. The very building block of a long-term relationship between two people that care enough to try and find that trust together. Shep and Weir do care enough-about each other now and they will find it. I've no doubt.
Speaking of the 'trust' issue...We see the entire issue blowing up (literally) as well as figuratively in tonight's episode. Rodney and John. John and Elizabeth. Elizabeth and Caldwell. Caldwell and John. And then there is Teyla and Ronon. And in turn, Teyla and Ronon and John and Elizabeth. This was an interesting by-story developing that underlined and tied in nicely to the the main 'trust' theme we see developing on the whole. Ronon has some issues-no doubt. And if anyone could ever hope to heal this man or understand him completely, it could only be Teyla who has been through so much of the same herself. This ep sealed it for me-these two are heading on a collision course. And I like it- a lot, lot. There wasn't a lot of cheap flirtations between them and I like how they both have a shared inner fire and passion for what they see is wrong about the world they live in and who makes it so. This inner fire and passion will eventually turn them to each other. These two 'aliens' are different from their 'earthling' brethren as the Teyla pointed out. This 'secret' they agree to hide from their two friends Shep and Weir is the product of an understanding that only they, through their shared type experiences and trials can comprehend. This too will tie into the huge BREECH OF TRUST arc that I can see headed toward us like the proverbial freight train in the night.
I'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this ep. Overall, it was imo, a so/so ep with some interesting sides but the 'undertone' was where the action was at in this one. The explosions that will eventually rock Atlantis due to the trust issue may make Rodney's look mild in comparison.
-Bama ; )
Well, you've pretty much said it all Bama.
Great analysis!
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