Deep Space 9 Superior

[jelgate]

I wonder what data was doing during the war ?

I can't see why he wouldn't be serving as Operations officer aboard the Enterprise E. Obviously the ship was enaged in the war against the Dominion

[nx01a]

The real question... What was Troi doing during the Dominion War?
I can imagine her as part of a guerrilla team sent in to help liberate occupied Betazed from the Dominion.

[DigiFluid]

....also serving aboard the Enterprise.

[jelgate]

The real question... What was Troi doing during the Dominion War?
I can imagine her as part of a guerrilla team sent in to help liberate occupied Betazed from the Dominion.

If I had my way she would be bargaining chip for a Dominion prisoner exchange

[nx01a]

You mean the Dominion would give the Ent E Lwaxana?

[Krisz]

DS9 Season IV Episode #74 Hippocratic Oath

Background and Inside Information

This episode came from two separate story pitches by two different writers. The first, from Nicholas Corea, was based around the story of a group of Jem'Hadar who were trying to free themselves from their addiction to ketracel-white. The second, from Lisa Klink, was about O'Brien and Bashir taking opposing sides in a conflict on an alien world – O'Brien sided with the natives, Bashir with the non-natives. The producers liked the idea of Klink’s concept, putting O'Brien and Bashir on diametrically opposed sides, but they felt that the details weren’t quite right and they got Klink to re-pitch the story several times with different plot elements in place. Producers referred to her story as their Bridge on the River Kwai episode, and they likened Bashir to Col. Nicholson, the character in that film played by Alec Guinness, who effectively helps the 'enemy'. The problem with Klink's story was that producers couldn’t decide exactly what it was that Bashir was trying to do for the enemy, what was causing the conflict between himself and O'Brien – what was the 'Bridge'? Eventually, it was René Echevarria who suggested putting Klink's story together with Corea's, thus providing the Bridge – Bashir was trying to help the Jem'Hadar beat their addiction, and O'Brien was against this idea. (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion)

The writers saw the B-story of this episode as an important indication of how DS9's Worf was going to be different from TNG's Worf. As Ronald D. Moore explains, "He used to be a cop, more or less, on the USS Enterprise-D, but it's not going to be like that anymore. We wanted to keep emphasizing, 'this is not TNG. The station doesn't work like the Enterprise. Worf is going to have some troubles fitting in, but he's going to learn'." (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion)

Ketracel white is referred to by name in this episode for the first time. Previously it had been described as a "missing enzyme" in "The Abandoned" and simply as a drug to which the Jem'Hadar are addicted in "The Die is Cast".

This episode marked the first reference of a runabout belonging to the Danube-class of starships.

Luther Sloan references the events of this episode in the sixth season episode "Inquisition".

Since "Shadowplay", O'Brien's rank has been referred to as simply chief petty officer, as identified by Goran'agar, rather than the prior senior chief petty officer.

Robert Foxworth auditioned for the role of Goran'Agar, but the producers were so impressed with his performance that they decided to save him for a more substantial role in the future. They went on to cast him as Admiral Leyton in the two-parter "Homefront" and "Paradise Lost". (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion)
The role of Goran'Agar is played by Scott MacDonald, who had previously appeared in the first season episode "Captive Pursuit" as Tosk.

Like the third season episode "The Abandoned", this episode contains a continuity glitch as regards the Jem'Hadar and food. In the episode "To the Death", it is established that the Jem'Hadar don’t eat, sleep or have sex, but in both this episode and "The Abandoned", there are references to Jem’Hadar consuming food. In the earlier episode, the Jem'Hadar child aboard Deep Space 9 says that he is hungry and demands to be fed. In this episode, Goran'Agar claims that his men have "eaten the same food as me". Ira Steven Behr, with tongue firmly in cheek, explains this slip by saying that Goran’Agar was being "metaphorically stupid, as Jem'Hadar so often are!" (Star Trek: Deep Space Nine Companion)

Wonderful background info as always USS Defiant, thanks! Answered the thing that was bugging me about the actor who played Admiral Leyton. I watched 'Home Front' and 'Paradise Lost' the other day, and kept wondering where I'd seen him before. He was Chairman Ashwan on Stargate's 'Memento' and looked familiar when I watched that first time round and couldn't figure where I'd seen him before! He played both roles wonderfully and is one of the reasons I like 'Memento' as an episode. 'Home Front' and 'Paradise Lost' are examples of DS9 at its best, paranoia and intrigue, bring it on!

[Captain Obvious]

You mean the Dominion would give the Ent E Lwaxana?

Wouldn't have that made a helluva episode, betazoids using psionic attacks on cardassian foot soldiers ( since I am unsure if they can effect Jem'hadar or breen)

[jelgate]

I wouldn't put the past the Founders to have to put some mental block against the Jem'Hadar. Look what they did to the Vorta with their mental abilities

[Saquist]

I can't see why he wouldn't be serving as Operations officer aboard the Enterprise E. Obviously the ship was enaged in the war against the Dominion

I don't know General, despite the books I read on the Dominion War invovling the Enterprise E that it doesn't appear in DS9 is a HUGE mistake on the producers part. You have the sets you have the actors...come-on. Most of them hadn't moved on at that point.

The Federation's Second most powerful Combat ship is not there leading the battle. And yet that is ultimately why it wasn't there. Two cooks in the same kitchen. I tell ya it's like Trek Producers learned nothing from Star Trek: TUC.

Tag Team Captain's is ALWAYS awesome.

Rather they always pit the Captain's against each other.

Ransom.
Benteen
otherwise you're doomed to take orders.

Can anyone...just imagine what Sacrifice of Angels would have been like with Defiant blazing a trail for the Enterprise to Break through the Dominion Lines? Yeah, I can.

Defiant, slashing and perring.
Escort ships blocking like Line backers
Dominion ships raining lethal energy on the Force as the Enterprise searches for open window in the lines to jump to warp.

[jsonitsac]

Keep in mind Saquist it was a big war, perhaps, the Enterprise was fighting on a different front than the Defiant. Also, the decision to keep the Enterprise out of the fighting on screen was intentional by TPTB, especially considering that the studio model of the Enterprise was 10 feet long, and the sets were scaled for the movies not TV. And while it may have been awesome to see it, in my mind it would have been a little too much fanservice.

[DigiFluid]

I don't know General, despite the books I read on the Dominion War invovling the Enterprise E that it doesn't appear in DS9 is a HUGE mistake on the producers part. You have the sets you have the actors...come-on. Most of them hadn't moved on at that point.

The Federation's Second most powerful Combat ship is not there leading the battle. And yet that is ultimately why it wasn't there. Two cooks in the same kitchen. I tell ya it's like Trek Producers learned nothing from Star Trek: TUC.

Tag Team Captain's is ALWAYS awesome.

Rather they always pit the Captain's against each other.

Ransom.
Benteen
otherwise you're doomed to take orders.

Can anyone...just imagine what Sacrifice of Angels would have been like with Defiant blazing a trail for the Enterprise to Break through the Dominion Lines? Yeah, I can.

Defiant, slashing and perring.
Escort ships blocking like Line backers
Dominion ships raining lethal energy on the Force as the Enterprise searches for open window in the lines to jump to warp.

Sounds like bad fanfic (redundant, I know) to me.

TNG and DS9 already overlapped for two years, we didn't need it again. The Enterprise could've been stationed away from DS9 for any one of a thousand reasons. That's good enough for me.

[Saquist]

I can think of only one reasont he Enterprise wasn't there at Sacrifice of Angels. They were unable to get there in time. Ninth Fleet wasn't able to join the fight.

In any case...
I'm pretty sure I could do a competent job with it. Certainly I think better than what was done for the begining to middle of the story. But then I'm not as strong as a character writer as I am a plot writer and DS9 is heavy on character plots....The Dukat over the edge thing was a nice touch.

[jelgate]

I can think of only one reasont he Enterprise wasn't there at Sacrifice of Angels. They were unable to get there in time. Ninth Fleet wasn't able to join the fight.

In any case...
I'm pretty sure I could do a competent job with it. Certainly I think better than what was done for the begining to middle of the story. But then I'm not as strong as a character writer as I am a plot writer and DS9 is heavy on character plots....The Dukat over the edge thing was a nice touch.

Or maybe the Enterprise E wasn't part of the fleet that was involved in Operation Return. Its the Federation used all their resources to retake DS9.


Its money more then anything. All those TNG actors would drain the DS9 budget.

[Pitry]

I don't watch Merlin

Oh, watch it! it's silly and ridiculous but so so cute Besides, Colin Morgan is a brilliant actor. You can see the talent oozing from him (unfortunately, the rest of the young cast isn't as great, but they're all quite fun to watch!)

speaking of which - yay! i have just legally downloaded Saturday's Merlin episode from the BBC iPlayer. Living in London has many advantages

[Saquist]

Or maybe the Enterprise E wasn't part of the fleet that was involved in Operation Return. Its the Federation used all their resources to retake DS9.


Its money more then anything. All those TNG actors would drain the DS9 budget.

I was plotting out a Story for Star Wars vs. Trek and not to mention heated debates with Trek Fans on Ship numbers for the Federation.

Star Fleet Registry History

I've theorized before on the facts on Star Fleet Numbers, represented by DS9 and the registry.

Constitution Class NCC-1700 USS Constitution
Miranda Class NCC -1837 USS Lantree
[2266]-Romulans destroy Federation Outpost
[2267]-First Klingon War
[2285] Excelsior class NX-2000

-Constellation Class 2893(USS Stargazer)

[2293] -Khitomer Confrence
2311 -Tomed Incident: results in 53 year Romulan isolation
-Earliest Ambassador class (Zhukov NCC-26136)
-Niagra Class USS Wellington (NCC - 28473)

2344 - Enterpise C destroyed at Narendra III
2346 -Khitomer Massacre by Romulans
2347 -Start of Cardassian War
-Steamrunner USS Appalachia (NCC-52136)
-New Orleans class USS Rutledge (NCC 57295)
-Nebula Class NCC 60205 USS Honshu
-Sabre Class USS Yeager (NCC-61947)
-Akira Class 63549 USS Thunderchild

2355 -Stargazer disabled by Cardassian war ship.
2356 -Galaxy Class NCC 70637 (USS Galaxy)

2362 - Massacare at Setlik III
2363 - Galaxy class (USS Enterprise D)

Federation Produces 68,637 units in 78 years. (879 units a year)

2366 -Defiant Class Development Project
2367 -Wolf 359 - Cardassian Truce Demilitarized Zone
-Nova Class USS Equinox NCC-72381

2368 -Danube Class NCC -72452 (Rio Grande)
-Defiant Class (NX 74205)
-Intrepid Class (NCC-74600)

2371 -NCC -74656 (Voyager) / Type 9 shuttlecraft
2371 -Defiant pulled from Storage
2372 -Enterprise E launched
2373 -Battle of Sector 001 / Voyager encounters 8472 / DS9 start of the Dominion War.

( Federation produces 257 units)

2374 -Prometheus Class NCC-74913

Federation produces 314 units a year.

2375 -Briar patch. - Scout 75227 / Voyager encounters (USS Equinox) / End Dominion war.
2378 -Destruction of Borg Collective - Voyager returns to Earth
2379 -Battle of Bassen Rift - USS TITAN (NCC -[80102])

Federation produces 5,189 units in Five Years. 1,037 ships a year after the start of the Dominion War.

Between the start of the Cardassian Federation wars some 1,156 ships are produced a year.
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But yes sir, the real reason is budget. Maybe they did entertain it, but the special effects were going to be expensive already and they cut shield effects just to get by on those. Unfortuant.