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[the Fifth Race]

Can you guys help me out in this thread? http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=28485

Thanks in advance.

I'm having a hardtime figuring out exactly what the main arguement is brother Davis.

Are you guys arguing over how many Galaxy class starships there were during the war with the Dominion?.

Or what are you questioning about the decomission of the Enterprise E?.

Fill me in.....

[Lieutenant Colonel Davis]

I'm having a hardtime figuring out exactly what the main arguement is brother Davis.

Are you guys arguing over how many Galaxy class starships there were during the war with the Dominion?.

Or what are you questioning about the decomission of the Enterprise E?.

Fill me in.....

Well, I guess a little bit of everything. I can't remember the episode of DS9 where someone said that there were Galaxy hulls stored around the Federation ready to be assembled without a moments notice.

[the Fifth Race]

Well, I guess a little bit of everything. I can't remember the episode of DS9 where someone said that there were Galaxy hulls stored around the Federation ready to be assembled without a moments notice.

I don't know if this helps........

The Galaxy Class was the highest apex of Starship design for nearly a century, being the boldest step forward in starship construction and engineering so far. Widely regarded at the time to be the most advanced machine ever built, the Galaxy Class soon proved the label correct as it dominated exploration and the fleet in general for more than a decade, defending the Federation and winning many crucial battles, including playing a vital part in thwarting the Borg invasion of 2367. Indeed, a vessel in this class, the Enterprise, the second to be built in the class, and a now famous name, was heralded the flagship of the Federation after her construction, relieving the ageing USS Ambassador of that honour.

As much as a pleasure cruiser, as a military vehicle, this class saw the first introduction of holographic recreation centres, or 'holodecks' on a Federation Starship. This allowed a far greater range of leisurely pursuits not previously available to a fleet officer. It was hoped it would boost morale as well as supplement the crew's needs on long assignments when leave isn't normally possible. During the more settled, renaissance period of the mid 24th century (excluding the Cardassian War crew's families became a regular occurrence on the longer range ships, and Galaxy Class was a forerunner in this area, accommodating more than a thousand persons -another first. With cutting edge sensors, weapons, propulsion systems and research facilities, ie not specialising in any particular area such as science or defence, but all areas, Galaxy Class was the complete starship. The 65 constructed are listed...


NAME OF VESSEL REGISTRY STATUS INFORMATION

USS Galaxy 2 NX -70637 O ---
USS Enterprise 5 NCC 1701-D D Flagship -Destroyed by Klingons, 2371
USS Pioneer 3 NCC 71102 D Destroyed at Wolf 359
USS Yamato 5 NCC 71807 D Due to Iconian computer virus, 2365
USS Providence 2 NCC 70701 O -
USS Magellan 2 NCC 71962 O -
USS Discovery 3 NCC 71804 O -
USS Vantage NCC 71546 O -
USS Columbia 2 NCC 71803 O -
USS Pangaea NCC 71883 DD
USS Trident 2 NCC 71852 O -
USS Destiny 2 NCC 71745*O Mentioned in 'Shadows and Symbols'DS9
USS Vancouver NCC 70655 D -
USS Odyssey 4 NCC 71832 D By Dominion Forces, 2371
USS Raffaello NCC 71817 D
USS Satie NCC 74214 O -
USS Trinculo NCC 71867 PD -
USS Constitution 4 NCC 1700-B DD -
USS London 2 NCC 71715 O
USS Wellington 3 NCC 71030 DD
USS Purity NCC 76376 D
USS Cape Cod NCC 70657 O
USS Bold 3 NCC 70739 D
USS Anzac NCC 70677 O
USS Africa NCC 77012 D
USS Chenkov NCC 73009 D
USS Angstrom NCC 78794 D
USS Daedalus 2 NCC 74310 O -
USS Boundless NCC 74881 D -
USS Baltimore 3 NCC 73993 O
USS Vanguard 4 NCC 71973 O
USS Mitchell NCC 70971 D
USS Normandy NCC 71380 DD
USS Premier 3 NCC 1184-B D -
USS Venture 2 NCC 71854 O -
USS Mediator 2 NCC 75138 D
USS Revolution 2 NCC 71901 D Destroyed at Wolf 359
USS Starward 2 NCC 75383 M --
USS Illustrious 2 NCC 74286 O -
USS Kimberley NCC 72433 D
USS Challenger 4 * NCC 71099 O
USS Titania 2 NCC 74109 D -
USS Gorkon 2 NCC 74131 O
USS Buccaneer 2 NCC 74187 DD -
USS Dragon NCC 74300 O
USS Selkirk NCC 74655 O
USS Dominator 2 NCC 74756 D
USS Heisenberg NCC 76133 PD
USS Archimedes NCC 78116 D
USS Byzantium NCC 78046 O
USS Bolivia NCC 75155 D
USS Excelsior 2 NCC 2000-A D
USS Robin NCC 73706 O
USS Diligent NCC 73836 D
USS Visionary 2 NCC 76112 O -
USS Austin 2 NCC 76019 O
USS Ontario 2 NCC 78119 O
USS Valiant 6 NCC 75416 O Star Trek: Nemesis
USS Vespucci NCC 77122 O
USS Carolina 2 NCC 77322 O
USS Oahu NCC 76850 DD
USS Augusta NCC 79143 O
USS Xerxes 2 NCC 80117 O
USS Shackleton NCC 80011 O
USS Astute 4 NCC 81095 DD
USS Perseus 3 NCC 79761 U
USS Cook NCC 80019 U (Being constructed at Utopia Planitia)
USS Cassidy NCC 81016 U (Being constructed at Utopia Planitia)
USS Eagle 5 NCC 80056 U (Being constructed at Antares Sector)
USS Valkyrie 2 NCC 79556 U (Being constructed at Antares Sector)
USS Nimbus 3 NCC 81106 U (Being constructed at Utopia Planitia)

Footnote *

-The Prototype USS Galaxy was launched in 2357, according to the TNG Technical Manual.

-A lot of the 'destroyed' Galaxy Class vessels listed above were, one would suppose, lost in Dominion engagements.

-I originally had 26 Galaxy Class cruisers on this manifest. But as time went by, and with shots of many of this class ship participating in the Dominion war effort, I came to the conclusion that this was an inadequate estimate. It then went up to 139, which I concluded was probably too much. So the middle ground of 65 was chosen. It may sound like too many for some, but at this time the Galaxy Class is possibly Starfleet's primary class vessel, so one would think there'd be a large number. But it would be anyone's guess as to how many a fair reflection would be. (When The Next Generation began Gene Roddenberry estimated that there might be a further seven Galaxy Class ships after the Enterprise. That figure of seven though reflected the first year the Galaxy Class had been under production. Since then Fourteen 'Trek years' have passed...)

-And in the DS9 Episode 'Sacrifice of Angels', Sisko orders Galaxy Wings 91 and 93 to engage the Cardassian Destroyers. So what constitutes a 'Wing' exactly? Does this mean that there are at least 93 Galaxy Class ships in the fleet? You have to say that it must. But it's still a conjectural point that remains open..........

Additional evidence for a large Galaxy Fleet is given in a piece of dialogue from the TNG 3rd season episode 'Menage a Troi', in which Data states:

"Actually, there is no guarantee
Wesley will be reassigned to the
Enterprise. Eighty-four per cent
of Starfleet graduates are not
posted to Galaxy class starships
for their first assignment."

We obviously have no idea precisely how many graduates there are in an average year. A fair few I'd imagine. Let's say, for arguments sake, that 16% of the total graduates equals 200. There are going to be a large amount of possible assignments. From many classes of starship, to starbases, outposts, Starfleet institutions and so forth. So if 200 lucky graduates are assigned to Galaxy Class ships, one would think that there would be a large number of these ships to cater for the distribution of these graduates... If there were about 50 operational Galaxies, then each one would receive 4 cadets.

[Starbase]

Season VI DS9 Episode Discussion
Episode # 22

Valiant was an interesting episode from the standpoint that like many DS9 episodes it portrayed a main character as being 'not-so-perfect'. In this case I am talking about the young Red Squad leader Tom Watters who was given the field commission of Captain after the original Valiant Captain and regular crew was killed. Captain Tom was a amphetamine addict who was becoming dellusional from lack of sleep and had thoughts of granduer. Which eventually lead to him and his whole crew (with the exception of Nog, Jake and Chief Collins) being killed and the Valiant being destroyed.

I was a little bit surprised that Star Trek delved into drug addiction amongst Starfleet personel, although I am not surprised that DS9 was the one that did. It did fit in perfectly for the manaical way that Red Squad cadet leader Tom Watters was running the Valiant by looking for trouble just to make a name for Red Squadron and himself.

I was annoyed by both Jake and Nog in this dedicated episode. I have stated a few times that I am not the biggest fan of either. It's not so much there acting skill (both are very good actors) but there characters leave a lot to be desired, especially Jake. He just seems like the direct opposite of his father Ben Sisko, which I have a hard time buying.

I can't believe you didn't mention the opening scene brother Fifth, when Odo caught Quark admiring Jadzia. Quark got outted by Odo for being in love with her, to which Quark all but admitted to.

Background Information

Ronald D. Moore had originally wanted to name the Defiant, "Valiant", after the S.S. Valiant from TOS: "Where No Man Has Gone Before." While he relented and settled for the name of the ship from TOS: "The Tholian Web", he was able to reuse the Valiant name here.

The failed attack run the Valiant attempts on the Jem'Hadar battleship alludes to the attack run on the Death Star by Red and Gold Squadrons in Star Wars A New Hope. Both involve out-matched protagonists attempting to take down a much larger target by coming in very close, launching torpedoes, and blowing up the target by exploiting a key weakness. However, the Force did not aid the crew of the Valiant, as it aided Luke Skywalker.[/I]

Very interesting side notes my friend, I was wondering about the correlation between there being 'Red Squadrons' in both Star Trek and Star Wars?.

I give Valiant a ....... 7.5 rating

[Dark Falcon]

Hey guys, remember that final scene between Dukat and Sisko
in the Fire Caves of Bajor in "What You Leave Behind"?

Here's a hysterical video about that scene with music!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiZ8x...elated&search=

[the Fifth Race]

Hey guys, remember that final scene between Dukat and Sisko
in the Fire Caves of Bajor in "What You Leave Behind"?

Here's a hysterical video about that scene with music!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiZ8x...elated&search=

LOL, I absolutely loved that Falcon!, I am a HUGE Johnny Cash fan and that song (Ring of Fire) besides being a great song, fit perfectly with the DS9 video shots.

Greenie shot for that my friend.

[Lieutenant Colonel Davis]

I don't know if this helps........

The Galaxy Class was the highest apex of Starship design for nearly a century, being the boldest step forward in starship construction and engineering so far. Widely regarded at the time to be the most advanced machine ever built, the Galaxy Class soon proved the label correct as it dominated exploration and the fleet in general for more than a decade, defending the Federation and winning many crucial battles, including playing a vital part in thwarting the Borg invasion of 2367. Indeed, a vessel in this class, the Enterprise, the second to be built in the class, and a now famous name, was heralded the flagship of the Federation after her construction, relieving the ageing USS Ambassador of that honour.

As much as a pleasure cruiser, as a military vehicle, this class saw the first introduction of holographic recreation centres, or 'holodecks' on a Federation Starship. This allowed a far greater range of leisurely pursuits not previously available to a fleet officer. It was hoped it would boost morale as well as supplement the crew's needs on long assignments when leave isn't normally possible. During the more settled, renaissance period of the mid 24th century (excluding the Cardassian War crew's families became a regular occurrence on the longer range ships, and Galaxy Class was a forerunner in this area, accommodating more than a thousand persons -another first. With cutting edge sensors, weapons, propulsion systems and research facilities, ie not specialising in any particular area such as science or defence, but all areas, Galaxy Class was the complete starship. The 65 constructed are listed...


NAME OF VESSEL REGISTRY STATUS INFORMATION

USS Galaxy 2 NX -70637 O ---
USS Enterprise 5 NCC 1701-D D Flagship -Destroyed by Klingons, 2371
USS Pioneer 3 NCC 71102 D Destroyed at Wolf 359
USS Yamato 5 NCC 71807 D Due to Iconian computer virus, 2365
USS Providence 2 NCC 70701 O -
USS Magellan 2 NCC 71962 O -
USS Discovery 3 NCC 71804 O -
USS Vantage NCC 71546 O -
USS Columbia 2 NCC 71803 O -
USS Pangaea NCC 71883 DD
USS Trident 2 NCC 71852 O -
USS Destiny 2 NCC 71745*O Mentioned in 'Shadows and Symbols'DS9
USS Vancouver NCC 70655 D -
USS Odyssey 4 NCC 71832 D By Dominion Forces, 2371
USS Raffaello NCC 71817 D
USS Satie NCC 74214 O -
USS Trinculo NCC 71867 PD -
USS Constitution 4 NCC 1700-B DD -
USS London 2 NCC 71715 O
USS Wellington 3 NCC 71030 DD
USS Purity NCC 76376 D
USS Cape Cod NCC 70657 O
USS Bold 3 NCC 70739 D
USS Anzac NCC 70677 O
USS Africa NCC 77012 D
USS Chenkov NCC 73009 D
USS Angstrom NCC 78794 D
USS Daedalus 2 NCC 74310 O -
USS Boundless NCC 74881 D -
USS Baltimore 3 NCC 73993 O
USS Vanguard 4 NCC 71973 O
USS Mitchell NCC 70971 D
USS Normandy NCC 71380 DD
USS Premier 3 NCC 1184-B D -
USS Venture 2 NCC 71854 O -
USS Mediator 2 NCC 75138 D
USS Revolution 2 NCC 71901 D Destroyed at Wolf 359
USS Starward 2 NCC 75383 M --
USS Illustrious 2 NCC 74286 O -
USS Kimberley NCC 72433 D
USS Challenger 4 * NCC 71099 O
USS Titania 2 NCC 74109 D -
USS Gorkon 2 NCC 74131 O
USS Buccaneer 2 NCC 74187 DD -
USS Dragon NCC 74300 O
USS Selkirk NCC 74655 O
USS Dominator 2 NCC 74756 D
USS Heisenberg NCC 76133 PD
USS Archimedes NCC 78116 D
USS Byzantium NCC 78046 O
USS Bolivia NCC 75155 D
USS Excelsior 2 NCC 2000-A D
USS Robin NCC 73706 O
USS Diligent NCC 73836 D
USS Visionary 2 NCC 76112 O -
USS Austin 2 NCC 76019 O
USS Ontario 2 NCC 78119 O
USS Valiant 6 NCC 75416 O Star Trek: Nemesis
USS Vespucci NCC 77122 O
USS Carolina 2 NCC 77322 O
USS Oahu NCC 76850 DD
USS Augusta NCC 79143 O
USS Xerxes 2 NCC 80117 O
USS Shackleton NCC 80011 O
USS Astute 4 NCC 81095 DD
USS Perseus 3 NCC 79761 U
USS Cook NCC 80019 U (Being constructed at Utopia Planitia)
USS Cassidy NCC 81016 U (Being constructed at Utopia Planitia)
USS Eagle 5 NCC 80056 U (Being constructed at Antares Sector)
USS Valkyrie 2 NCC 79556 U (Being constructed at Antares Sector)
USS Nimbus 3 NCC 81106 U (Being constructed at Utopia Planitia)

Footnote *

-The Prototype USS Galaxy was launched in 2357, according to the TNG Technical Manual.

-A lot of the 'destroyed' Galaxy Class vessels listed above were, one would suppose, lost in Dominion engagements.

-I originally had 26 Galaxy Class cruisers on this manifest. But as time went by, and with shots of many of this class ship participating in the Dominion war effort, I came to the conclusion that this was an inadequate estimate. It then went up to 139, which I concluded was probably too much. So the middle ground of 65 was chosen. It may sound like too many for some, but at this time the Galaxy Class is possibly Starfleet's primary class vessel, so one would think there'd be a large number. But it would be anyone's guess as to how many a fair reflection would be. (When The Next Generation began Gene Roddenberry estimated that there might be a further seven Galaxy Class ships after the Enterprise. That figure of seven though reflected the first year the Galaxy Class had been under production. Since then Fourteen 'Trek years' have passed...)

-And in the DS9 Episode 'Sacrifice of Angels', Sisko orders Galaxy Wings 91 and 93 to engage the Cardassian Destroyers. So what constitutes a 'Wing' exactly? Does this mean that there are at least 93 Galaxy Class ships in the fleet? You have to say that it must. But it's still a conjectural point that remains open..........

Additional evidence for a large Galaxy Fleet is given in a piece of dialogue from the TNG 3rd season episode 'Menage a Troi', in which Data states:

"Actually, there is no guarantee
Wesley will be reassigned to the
Enterprise. Eighty-four per cent
of Starfleet graduates are not
posted to Galaxy class starships
for their first assignment."

We obviously have no idea precisely how many graduates there are in an average year. A fair few I'd imagine. Let's say, for arguments sake, that 16% of the total graduates equals 200. There are going to be a large amount of possible assignments. From many classes of starship, to starbases, outposts, Starfleet institutions and so forth. So if 200 lucky graduates are assigned to Galaxy Class ships, one would think that there would be a large number of these ships to cater for the distribution of these graduates... If there were about 50 operational Galaxies, then each one would receive 4 cadets.

That does help but I am tring to find a quote from the show that talks about prebulit space frames.

[USS Defiant]

Season VI DS9 Episode Discussion
Episode # 22 Valiant

Valiant was an interesting episode from the standpoint that like many DS9 episodes it portrayed a main character as being 'not-so-perfect'. In this case I am talking about the young Red Squad leader Tom Watters who was given the field commission of Captain after the original Valiant Captain and regular crew was killed. Captain Tom was a amphetamine addict who was becoming dellusional from lack of sleep and had thoughts of granduer. Which eventually lead to him and his whole crew (with the exception of Nog, Jake and Chief Collins) being killed and the Valiant being destroyed.

I really liked this episode as it shows just what overconfidence can do with people. These cadets think they can handle anything and as a result their arrogance blinds them to the truth.

I cannot help but see a similarity to Star Trek Voyager. Janeway often goes on similar missions (such as in Unimatrix Zero or Dark Frontier) but always manages to survive. Of course I want the good guys to win but Voyager does it with so much ease that the whole show becomes rather unrealistic and boring to watch as you know it will all be just fine when the end credits roll over the screen.

At least Deep Space Nine (and Enterprise, for that matter) kept viewers surprised and that was a major asset. And so are episodes like Valiant.

Background Information

Ronald D. Moore also wrote "The First Duty" which focused on Nova Squadron.

Ronald D. Moore had originally wanted to name the Defiant, "Valiant", after the S.S. Valiant from TOS: "Where No Man Has Gone Before." While he relented and settled for the name of the ship from TOS: "The Tholian Web", he was able to reuse the Valiant name here.

I loved the TNG episode The First Duty. Great inside info about RDM!.

10 star rating system
StarTrek.com has it rated with ...... 7.2 stars
GateWorld.net has it rated with ..... 6.0 stars
I have it rated with ..................... 7.5 stars

I give Valiant 8.0 stars

[Pitry]

Back to my Kira posts frmo a while back, being haflway or so) through seaosn 2, I really don't understand why I didn't like Kira. At all. She's brilliant. One of the most rounded hcaracters in the show.

Jadziah, on the other hand...
It seems that even when there is a Dax character, it's not about her, but peopel's reaction to her. In the episode they want to put the ax symbiote on trial becauise of Curzon, it all revolves around Sisko's take no this. When the rogue Trill comes to steal Dax, it's Sisko and Bashir who mainly respond. But there's very little reaction from dax herself.
Well, hopefully when they reach the Worf storyline she gets more depth...

[the Fifth Race]

Back to my Kira posts frmo a while back, being haflway or so) through seaosn 2, I really don't understand why I didn't like Kira. At all. She's brilliant. One of the most rounded hcaracters in the show.

I knew you would come around Pitry Kira is a great character and Nana Visitor is definitely one of the better actors from the whole series. I just love the dynamic between Kira and Sisko whether its Captain Sisko or Emissary Sisko that she is dealing with.

Jadziah, on the other hand...
It seems that even when there is a Dax character, it's not about her, but peopel's reaction to her. In the episode they want to put the ax symbiote on trial becauise of Curzon, it all revolves around Sisko's take no this. When the rogue Trill comes to steal Dax, it's Sisko and Bashir who mainly respond. But there's very little reaction from dax herself.
Well, hopefully when they reach the Worf storyline she gets more depth...

I know exactly what you mean about her being a rather blase character. She is easily the most forgettable of the main characters. Her dedicated episodes are not that exciting and other than her beautiful looks (she is a babe!) she is kind of a dud that seems like shes pushing it while delivering her lines. That being said, she does get better, especially when Worf and her hook up. We then get some very good Jadzia dedicated episodes like .... The Sword of Kahless .... Trials and Tribble-ations .... Let He Who is Without Sin .... Soldiers of the Empire .... You Are Cordially Invited .... One Little Ship .... Change of Heart .... Tears of the Prophets.

[mckaychick]

good morning trekkies!!!!

[Wolf Eire]

Hey, Fifth, A while back you said that you would post some info regarding why the Borg didn't appear in DS9. Have you posted that yet? I've fallen behind on this thread.

I'd be very interested to hear this too.

I always thought they could have been an interesting plot device to get Dominion and Federation working together.

[Pitry]

I knew you would come around Pitry Kira is a great character and Nana Visitor is definitely one of the better actors from the whole series. I just love the dynamic between Kira and Sisko whether its Captain Sisko or Emissary Sisko that she is dealing with.

Must resist... I will not liek Kira... Kira is evil... must resist.. ah, forget it, it's lost.
Unless they pulled a Farscape Zhaan somewhere in the continuation of the show and compeltely ruined the character, I love her.

Another interesting point, I never remembered teh part where Miles disliked Julian. I always remmebered these two to be the best of friends. Knowing that, it's really entertainig to see these two constantly being thrown together and having to end up saving each other. Quite a great way to build a television friendship.

[the Fifth Race]

Must resist... I will not liek Kira... Kira is evil... must resist.. ah, forget it, it's lost.
Unless they pulled a Farscape Zhaan somewhere in the continuation of the show and compeltely ruined the character, I love her.

LOL, don't worry, they do not pull any kind Zhaan with Kira. One of the things I enjoyed and really appreciated about the Kira character was that she remained true throughout the whole series. They didn't change her demeanor at all, she was surly, combative and quite sexy till the very end.

Another interesting point, I never remembered teh part where Miles disliked Julian. I always remmebered these two to be the best of friends. Knowing that, it's really entertainig to see these two constantly being thrown together and having to end up saving each other. Quite a great way to build a television friendship.

They had there moments of disagreement, but overall they were the best of friends more so than any other pair in the series. I loved both characters, especially when they were in dedicated episodes together.

[Trek_Girl42]

They had there moments of disagreement, but overall they were the best of friends more so than any other pair in the series. I loved both characters, especially when they were in dedicated episodes together.

I agree- I love watching the Bashir/Chief scenes- they're always entertaining, and definitly make for some of the best B or C plots in episodes.