Hell Bent (3512 / 912)

[Ian-S]

Watched it a second time now, it was better than I originally gave it credit for, but really the story doesn't make much sense other than the whole wanting to save Clara thing and going dolallie as a result, returning to Galifray was a bit of a wasted opportunity.

I read an interview where Moff said he had changed something fundamental and wasn't sure how people would react to it, does anybody know what this was? Was it the whole gender reassignment regeneration or something else like the Doctor being affected by a 'human compatible neuroblock with the polarity reversed'?

I also had to laugh at that, I assume it was a poke at Star Trek.

[Flyboy]

Watched it a second time now, it was better than I originally gave it credit for, but really the story doesn't make much sense other than the whole wanting to save Clara thing and going dolallie as a result, returning to Galifray was a bit of a wasted opportunity.

I read an interview where Moff said he had changed something fundamental and wasn't sure how people would react to it, does anybody know what this was? Was it the whole gender reassignment regeneration or something else like the Doctor being affected by a 'human compatible neuroblock with the polarity reversed'?

I also had to laugh at that, I assume it was a poke at Star Trek.

I think it was the Doctor leaving Gallifrey, not because he was bored, but because he was scared.

It fits, as according to the Big Finish audios... (major spoilers for the Doctor's life pre-Gallifrey):

Spoiler:

The then President issued a 'burn edict' (kill order) to a senior official responsible for such operations, known as Lord Burner. This individual was The Doctor's brother, by the name of Irving Braxiatel. Rather than carry out the operation though, he allowed The Doctor to flee Gallifrey. It is then seriously implied that Irving arranged for the President of Gallifrey at the time to meet an unfortunate end due to an electrical fault in his office...


With that in mind, it's possible that The Doctor became a target for 'burning' because of the Hybrid prophecy...

[Coco Pops]

I think it was the Doctor leaving Gallifrey, not because he was bored, but because he was scared.

It fits, as according to the Big Finish audios... (major spoilers for the Doctor's life pre-Gallifrey):

Spoiler:

The then President issued a 'burn edict' (kill order) to a senior official responsible for such operations, known as Lord Burner. This individual was The Doctor's brother, by the name of Irving Braxiatel. Rather than carry out the operation though, he allowed The Doctor to flee Gallifrey. It is then seriously implied that Irving arranged for the President of Gallifrey at the time to meet an unfortunate end due to an electrical fault in his office...


With that in mind, it's possible that The Doctor became a target for 'burning' because of the Hybrid prophecy...

And that sound 1000 times more awesome then anything Moffat wrote.

[Ian-S]

Hmm now that might explain why the lady in the beginning said something about maintaining the barn for 'the two boys' or something similar, I assume she meant Doctor and Master at the time.

[epg20]

Watched it a second time now, it was better than I originally gave it credit for, but really the story doesn't make much sense other than the whole wanting to save Clara thing and going dolallie as a result, returning to Galifray was a bit of a wasted opportunity.

I read an interview where Moff said he had changed something fundamental and wasn't sure how people would react to it, does anybody know what this was? Was it the whole gender reassignment regeneration or something else like the Doctor being affected by a 'human compatible neuroblock with the polarity reversed'?

I also had to laugh at that, I assume it was a poke at Star Trek.

maybe that" something fundamental " was that the doctor shot someone, that was a MAJORalteration for the doctor, he NEVER shot any one, if he used a gun, he shot something, a pipe, rope, ground, what ever, but he never EVER shot someone.

[Gatefan1976]

maybe that" something fundamental " was that the doctor shot someone, that was a MAJORalteration for the doctor, he NEVER shot any one, if he used a gun, he shot something, a pipe, rope, ground, what ever, but he never EVER shot someone.

The Doctor has killed, many, many people.
Not so much in NuWho, but certainly over time.

[epg20]

Well... You know there's a K9 movie coming out in 2017... ' Time Quake'?

oh dear god I had no idea.

http://io9.com/doctor-whos-robot-dog...j5WSfr4zi6J44Q

this is starting to look very bad.

K9 - The Korven - Part 1

[epg20]

The Doctor has killed, many, many people.
Not so much in NuWho, but certainly over time.

yes, but he never used a gun to kill them, he never directly pulled a gun and shot them directly, it's one of his quirks..

[Gatefan1976]

yes, but he never used a gun to kill them, he never directly pulled a gun and shot them directly, it's one of his quirks..

It's also a way for him to dodge responsibility.
Signing the paper that says "execute them" is in no way more "noble" than being the axeman, in fact, it is probably less noble.

[cosmichobo]

epg20, I feel your pain. I think McCoy needs to come back and have a stern talking to Capaldi...

It's also a way for him to dodge responsibility.
Signing the paper that says "execute them" is in no way more "noble" than being the axeman, in fact, it is probably less noble.

It's also a way for him to dodge responsibility.
Signing the paper that says "execute them" is in no way more "noble" than being the axeman, in fact, it is probably less noble.

I've no doubt some uni student at some time has written a thesis on this - how much blood is directly/indirectly on the Doctor's hands... when it was "justified"... Whether he'd get off in a court of law...

I'd like to think that ultimately there have been very few cases of real negligence, and worse - "murder" or manslaughter, committed by the Doctor... Of course, that's a thread unto itself...

[Gatefan1976]

epg20, I feel your pain. I think McCoy needs to come back and have a stern talking to Capaldi...

I've no doubt some uni student at some time has written a thesis on this - how much blood is directly/indirectly on the Doctor's hands... when it was "justified"... Whether he'd get off in a court of law...

I'd like to think that ultimately there have been very few cases of real negligence, and worse - "murder" or manslaughter, committed by the Doctor... Of course, that's a thread unto itself...

I think "on balance" you are probably right Cosmic, but I wish to restrict my observations to the Doctor "doing the deed" himself really is not that much of an oddity. It being -shown- on screen certainly is less likely, but even just in this series with Ashildr taking the role of "picking up the pieces" after the doctor leaves is an indicative of the damage that he does along the way. He does not even have the temerity to argue with her!!
Of course, the pieces are also not the Doctors concern to a degree.

[cosmichobo]

I think back in Stolen Earth/Journey's End, Davros makes ultimately some very good points regarding the Doctor "turning" people into... well, an army.

****, I'm go going to have to document this at some point...

Lives lost due to the Doctor's involvement:
Lives saved due to the Doctor's involvement:

Logopolis gave us a large chunk of the known universe saved.... But Pandorica - the entire universe was lost... Maybe the rest is just small change.

[Gatefan1976]

I think back in Stolen Earth/Journey's End, Davros makes ultimately some very good points regarding the Doctor "turning" people into... well, an army.

I think it is better to think of them like Harry Potters DATDA class.
Harry certainly does not intend for anyone to have to use what he has shown them, but they have to, and even then, it is confused with "Dumbledore's Army".
I don't think the Doctor -tries- to make warriors, but often what he says -results- in the construction of warriors, despite his intentions. Dumbledore turns his "companions" into warriors, so does the Doctor, not from intent, but from their respective "companions" reacting to his teachings. Also, the Doctor is "above it all" to an extent, but those he travels with are not.

****, I'm go going to have to document this at some point...

Lives lost due to the Doctor's involvement:
Lives saved due to the Doctor's involvement:

Well, I hope your clicker finger is primed before you do it!!

Logopolis gave us a large chunk of the known universe saved.... But Pandorica - the entire universe was lost... Maybe the rest is just small change.

To the Doctor? Perhaps.

[FennerMachine]

Peter Davison's doctor shot a Cyberman with a ray gun.
Tom Baker shot a giant rat with a shotgun/rifle.

[Coco Pops]

Peter Davison's doctor shot a Cyberman with a ray gun.

And so did other doctors at various points in time..

I just had a funny thought regarding Clara's TARDIS.. She now has an added "porch" in the form of the diner interior, I wonder if she will make souffles while in flight of if you travel with her she could fix you a latte.