Announcement

**Reefgirl** · 19 April 2008, 02:05 PM

Not too sure about this episode, Catherine Tate was wonderful as usual and so was Tim McInnery (I wonder if Mr Halpen's first name is Percy) The story was so-so, just your average Evil-humans-enslaving-a-peaceful-race episode

As for the Doctor's Song ending maybe it refers to his Song of Sadness which could mean one of several things

Spoiler:

**Hulabaloo** · 19 April 2008, 02:09 PM

Very good episode. Loved it. Am really loving the relationship between the Doctor and Donna as well. She's what he really needs atm, a mate.

As with the end of his song, I hope its not a DT leaving the show. Would be a shame, but interesting to know what it is.

Spoiler:

Overall good episode. More tension between the Doctor and Donna and another bee reference. Hmm.

On another note, Yay Martha next week. But with Martha back, does that mean no more just Doctor and Donna eps?

**Alipeeps** · 19 April 2008, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Hulabaloo View Post

On another note, Yay Martha next week. But with Martha back, does that mean no more just Doctor and Donna eps?

She's not back for good. Donna is still the companion for all of Season 4.

General Season 4 casting spoilers:

Spoiler:

**The_Carpenter** · 19 April 2008, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by Hulabaloo View Post

Very good episode. Loved it. Am really loving the relationship between the Doctor and Donna as well. She's what he really needs atm, a mate.

As with the end of his song, I hope its not a DT leaving the show. Would be a shame, but interesting to know what it is.

Spoiler:

Overall good episode. More tension between the Doctor and Donna and another bee reference. Hmm.

On another note, Yay Martha next week. But with Martha back, does that mean no more just Doctor and Donna eps?

Spoiler:

**Matt G** · 19 April 2008, 02:32 PM

1. First time we've really seen humanity as the bad guys in New School Who. A bit wierd, you weren't sure who to root for because let's face it, red-eye Ood are psycho!

2. Not as wierd as a human turning into an Ood though.

3. Pair point on the projectile weapons thing - then again Halpern did seem to like doing things the old fashioned way.

4. Getting absorbed by a giant brain is an ugly way to die.

And this was a very good ep. It'll be interesting to see why Martha's "calling you back" though!

**huntress** · 19 April 2008, 03:06 PM

So far I have to say that this series makes me really happy. Lots of action in this episode surrounding a serious topic. Slavery. When the manager cruelly announces that he going to gas the whole lot - it worked in the past of human history after all too, it made my skin crawl since the references to the death camps was quite evident. Donna is really wonderful. she is funny and she doesn't take any crap from the Doctor. It looks like he is enjoying it too. It makes him a bit more humble and deflates his ego ;-)

The music from Murray Gold was wonderful in this episode and the song of the Ood reminded me of Tom Twyker's "Girl with the Plums" theme from "The Perfume" I can't wait for the third album to be released after the series

About the ending:

"And what about you? We have still room for you in our song." "No thank you I have a song of my own." "I think, Your song must end soon." " Meaning?" "Every song must end" and then we hear again the theme from Rose. Earlier on when he helps Donna to hear that heartbreakingly sad song of captivity and sorrow, he said to the distraught Donna that he hears that song all the time. We know that deep inside is a very lonely, sad man who lost everything , so yes he has a song like the Ood and I guess that the song will end means that he will finally find some closure in regard of the last Time War and also Rose. Also it seems to be important to be remembered. So far the constant theme was that both Donna and the doctor are remembered by the people they leave behind.

**Elinor** · 19 April 2008, 10:38 PM

Great episode and quite moving in parts. The Ood are a very interesting and clever creation. Carrying the brain around in your hand must get a bit inconvenient at times though!!

The bees vanishing gets a mention again as well....hmmmm...they're gonna be doing something with this further down the line aren't they?!!

"Your song must end soon"....oooh what does that mean?!! See, that's what I love about this show. It keeps throwing little things like this and the bees into the storyline and then that gets you imagining all sorts of scenarios for upcoming episodes!!!

**Willow'sCat** · 20 April 2008, 12:02 AM

I really enjoyed this episode. Now this is what New Who is about, a bit dark, bit scary (for the kids) and a bit grey with the morals but they talked about it, they don't just do something and not say why they are doing it. Nothing is black and white... but they give you reasons. Although really? The Doctor in "Impossible Planet" & "The Satan Pit" didn't wonder if The Ood were slaves? Whether they had any real free will at all?

Oh - Kay.

The actual story was fairly good, typical humans once again exploiting others for their own gain. Will we ever learn? No of course not.

There were some things that were a bit silly, a giant brain with no fluids? It would dry out surely? So would the ones they carry in their hands, not to mention being susceptible to diseases and viruses. But yeah, OK aliens it could happen I suppose.

I was a bit surprised by the death toll, yet again a lot of folks getting killed here and was I the only one who thought the guy who chased The Doctor with the claw thing (I don't know what they are called) was a bit OOC, well for a guy we hardly knew? I mean he seemed to go a bit nuts! lol

I liked that the bees were mentioned again, but could they be a red herring? I know we encounter

Spoiler:

it is in the trailer so maybe the mentioning of the bee is stand alone to the other thread running through the series... eg Rose and what she has to do with The Doctor and things ending, she is coming and all the other hints.

I admit to being intrigued but also annoyed. I hate puzzles, especially when I know I will not be given all the pieces until it is too late to make anything of them.

Donna was good, a bit too much over acting coming to the forefront with some of her delivery of lines, I am not familiar with her comedy show but I assume some of her 'characters' do get a bit forceful (loud) when speaking.

The opening bit in the TARDIS stands out as too full on to me, and as someone said last ep they need to stop with the 'no we are not together in that way' stuff or it will be just as bad as all the shipping that went on and all the crushing that went on, in previous series. Just, you know stop. We get it.

Donna not attracted to the gorgeous Timelord as played by David Tennant.

Although I loved her response to being called "Miss" by The Ood. That was so Donna.

Next week:

Spoiler:

**MechaThor** · 20 April 2008, 04:39 AM

Dam another Great episode, the stories always seem so new and original which is great!

Looks like the Ood storyline is over now, which is a shame as I rather liked them!

"Your song must end soon".... Very intresting! I wonder what that means? I loved how the Ood just sad it almost out of the blue, traking both the Doctor and me (the audience) by suprise!

Also like the disappearing planets from the last two episodes, this is the 2nd time this series that the "saved people" have remembered the Doctor and Donna, and hat the Disappearing Bees have been mentioned! I wonder if they mean anything aswell?

Maybe all the "wee will remember you" stuff will come together to make clues in time and space for Rose, or someone else like The Master? Just an Idea!

**Gate-builder** · 20 April 2008, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by wise one View Post

probably just me but they were in the yaer 41something and they still had projectile weapons, for a race that has biusness with 3 other galaxies they dont have anything like plasma guns or something

I noticed that as well. But then the AK-47 was still going strong in the year 100 trillion

**dipsofjazz** · 20 April 2008, 07:08 AM

Originally posted by Elinor View Post

Great episode and quite moving in parts. The Ood are a very interesting and clever creation. Carrying the brain around in your hand must get a bit inconvenient at times though!!

The bees vanishing gets a mention again as well....hmmmm...they're gonna be doing something with this further down the line aren't they?!!

"Your song must end soon"....oooh what does that mean?!! See, that's what I love about this show. It keeps throwing little things like this and the bees into the storyline and then that gets you imagining all sorts of scenarios for upcoming episodes!!!

I also loved this episode for all the reasons stated above. I really like the way this series is progressing, and I think Donna is a great companion for the Doctor.

**pbellosom** · 20 April 2008, 12:08 PM

Originally posted by The_Carpenter View Post

Spoiler:

This was the first episode of season four that I actually thought was good and has revived my hopes for the season. I still think the bee's are a red herring and will continue to insist this until the bee's actually appear, no matter how many times they're mentioned.

I personally reckon that this is how the Second Human Empire ends, freeing all the Ood would surely cause the economy to collapse.

How would evolution allow a creature with it's brain held in it's hands to survive?!

**The_Carpenter** · 20 April 2008, 12:18 PM