Lay Down Your Burdens, Part 2 (220)

[Backlash]

Okay, I registered just so I could say this:

This episode sucked. I am completely disappointed. The series was going so well. I have liked every single episode. But this travesty, this mockery is vomit-inducing to me. I'll watch the first episode of seaon three, and if this pathetic farce continues, I'll stop watching. I mean, this was like a bad fan-fiction given free rein to run amok. Yes, I feel that strongly about it.

[Maj.Tahn]

Good episode, not great. I agree with one of the other posters Arisboch;
the last 30 minutes where the story jumps one year seemed rushed
& incomplete. Too many unexplained & loose plot threads:
* Baltar is playing JFK to the hilt; girls, orgies, booze & drugs.
* Six is wearing a Marilyn Monroe "Happy Birthday Mr.President" - JFK -
evening gown.
* Gaeta is now Baltar's presidential aide.
* Helo appears to have Gaeta's old job, but where is C-Sharon???
* The Chief - who looks great w/the beard & glasses - is a union
leader married to a pregnant & loyal Cally.
* Roslin teaching school & Hera's adoptive mother is her assistant.
* Dee appears to be XO of Pegasus & is a Captain or a Major.
* Lee for some unexplained reason is bitter @ Kara & wont give her
medicine for a gravely ill Anders.
* Admiral Adama w/moustache - I thought Crockett & Tubbs weren't
far behind. Adama looks better w/o moustache. Bill shave it off soon.
* Admiral Adama goes into the tank when President Baltar gives
him an order he doesn't agree with. Admiral Adama never followed orders
from Roslin he didn't like; why now would he take orders he doesn't agree
with from Baltar???
I think RDM is spinning the truth. It probably isn't a "dream" episode
per se; however, one of the major characters is probably "daydreaming"
within the episode itself about the consequences of a Baltar presidentcy.
Ergo; technically it isn't a "dream" episode. Then again, I could be wrong.

[rarocks24]

None of the above:

Spoiler:

Maybe he's just going to Earth on the slim chance that they have the capability of fighting the Cylons?

Spoiler:

Though Earth just got the crap beat out of them by the Orii, and now on top of that they have to worry about the Wraith permanently relocating to their galaxy

And just out of curiosity, whatever happened to the cylon blondie and the other Sharon from Downloaded? Was that them?

[skull24]

Lee is now as ugly on the outside as he is on the inside...awsome!

Adama will be back...with help. He's too smart and cunning not to have planned something.

The only way they could win is if they have a "virus" of some kind. They will need one more battlestar of maybe some Cylon help? I wonder where they jumped? I'm sure they had a plan to jump some where just in case this happened but the way Adama Sr. looked when Lee told him they had to jump was classic "Oh s***" moment. Like everyone else he fooled him self (Adama Sr.) in to thinking that the Cylons would not find them.

[skrip00]

Bet New Caprica is an analogy for some middle eastern nation that has a patronizing occupational force hanging about. Kara is looking like a rebel faction leader. These writers sure like to be topical with the current and re cent events,showing perspective and view points from every side.....

Here we go again... I watch Sci Fi to get away from the real world BS. Don't drag it in here...

[Craig Ranapia]

Wow.....

You would think roughly 40k people could have accomplished more in a year than what they have on New Caprica...living in Tent City and playing pyramid games in the mud.

Interesting post but I think you're missing one huge plot point - around 96% of the fleet are civilians - and they voted with their feet. Most of them don't give a frack about Earth (though I'm sure the Gemenese fundamentalists certainly do), and they sure don't care about some version of Psycho Killer Cain's mission to retake the Twelve Colonies. They want a sky over their heads and ground beneath their feet rather than being surrounded by bulkheads, living and dying at the whims of the powerful - assuming they don't starve, dehydrate or get blown up by whoever the hell is armed and angry this week - in pursuit of a storybook legend called Earth.

However misguided it turned out to be, they believed they were as safe as they were ever going to be from the Cylons - and for a whole year they were right. They know 'New Caprica' is a less than ideal environment, and it's pretty obvious they wanted the resources of the fleet focused on (say) not starving to death, or developing some kind of industrial infrastructure that would allow them to build more permanent homes rather than building a new Battlestar. (And let's remember these people aren't carefully selected, highly trained mission specialists. They've got to learn new skills on the fly, and you don't do that overnight.)

You might also want to consider this plot point: Both Adamas paid the price the last time they got involved in a military coup; and the whole "frack democracy when it doesn't go my way" deal didn't play out well for Roslin. On BSG, as in life, you make your choices and you pay the price. So say we all.

[TechnoBoY]

* Lee for some unexplained reason is bitter @ Kara & wont give her
medicine for a gravely ill Anders.

I think RDM is spinning the truth. It probably isn't a "dream" episode
per se; however, one of the major characters is probably "daydreaming"
about the consequences of a Baltar presidency.

I'm pretty sure he wouldve if the Cylons didnt show up.

I dont think this would be a dreamsequence, it is too tacky and so far most of BSG has been pretty classy to me!

How many people do you think died when that bomb went off? Do you think she did it as a sign to find them? Or what?

I cant wait until October! I wonder what will happen next!

[THSEX1138]

I know "Kobol's Last Gleaming Part 2" and you "Lay Down Your Burden's Part 2."... are no "Kobol's Last Gleaming Part 2".

Good episode?... Yes! Best ever?...Nope! RDM must have consumed a potent batch of Chamalla extract when he decided to pen this one. As far as I'm concerned October gets here when it gets here. I'm very curious about all the Kara Thrace & Lee Adama supporters out there. At first I was enraged with her blatant disrespect for Lee but after I had time to regain my composure I realized it's the same old Kara. Then again one thing did change, this time she only slept with one guy in a 12 month period. This must be one of the new directions RDM was talking about.

[Craig Ranapia]

Good episode, not great. I agree with one of the other posters Arisboch;
the last 30 minutes where the story jumps one year seemed rushed
& incomplete. There are too many unexplained & loose & plot threads
in the last 30 minutes.

That's why it's called a season finale not a extra special series finale event.

[kharn the betrayer]

im just about done with the pod cast and one of the things brought up

was the cradel Sharons baby was in is the EXACT same one Baltar saw in his Vision back in Kolbol's last gleaming when 6 led him through the opera house and told him about ''their child''

oh and they bring up ''Fat Lee'' plus they bring up if Dee is the XO of the beast

plus they wouldent reveal what happened to Sharon... and said we have to wait T_T

[rarocks24]

We know that not everyone lived on the colony at the time...afterall, more than just Galactica and Pegasus jumped. There may have been colonists still living on the ships, possibly the ones that were so worried that the cylons would attack that they'd want to be in orbit in case of a quick getaway?

I wonder how the colonials will fair under the control of the Cylons?

[Carrie]

• The planet was hidden in a very noisy DRADIS distorting nebula. A nebula is a collection of stars. A star is equivalent of many thousands of simultaneously exploding thermonuclear weapons. How could the Cylons have plausibly detected the single nuke that wiped out Cloud Nine? This is one of the worst lapses, IMHO, of pseudo physics on the series.

Hmm. I thought that was a constellation, and that a nebula was a field of gas/matter/something, that stars can be within, or may not necessarily be in?

Definitely an interesting episode, though... I certainly did not expect that ending...

The line Six was saying, where the commercial for next episode would usually be, definitely creeped me out.

[Chig]

Here we go again... I watch Sci Fi to get away from the real world BS. Don't drag it in here...

Me too, but these writers keep dragging this stuff in, like the Outer Limits writers did with the topical stuff of that time.

Rigged elections, stem cell research.... mistreatment of prisoners ....yada yada yada

It will probably be viewed 20 years from now as some important statement of the times.

Atleast it has amazing entertainment value that has me glued to the T.V.

[Mainer82]

I'd like it to be a dream, but there are parts in the "dream" that Baltar knew nothing about, such as Cally telling Chief she has feelings for him and than in the "dream" they obviously got together since she's pregnant and that Kara and Andrews were together.

It will be very interesting to see how the start this out for season 3. The only thing I'm worried about is the whole NBC thing.

[kharn the betrayer]

but It's not a dream

they say through out the entire pod cast that its not a dream

and they realy do mean it considering the ammount of times they drill it into your head

and the whole reason they shot the last 30 min the way they did was to prove it wasnt a dream