Pegasus (210)

[Amanda Eros]

Did anyone else feel that something wasn't right when one of the first things that Cain said was something along the lines of "it's good to have you join the Colonial Fleet." When I heard that I was like, aren't they joining the Colonial Fleet? About 45,000 people are out there, the Peg couldn't have more than 5,000 people there unless I missed some ships there.

It also made me wonder if when that citizen crew man told them that he was taken off of one of the other ships, if the Peg didn't only take in those who could be useful to them. Then disregard everyone else since they were at war. In other words the civilian ships would hold it back, and were seen as a hinderance.

[Amanda Eros]

Wouldn't Cain defer to Roslyn since she is the president? Well, if she respected her, perhaps... but since she isn't even taking her calls then how could Roslyn ever even give her an order if she isn't willing to listen?

[Sauce]

Did anyone else feel that something wasn't right when one of the first things that Cain said was something along the lines of "it's good to have you join the Colonial Fleet." When I heard that I was like, aren't they joining the Colonial Fleet? About 45,000 people are out there, the Peg couldn't have more than 5,000 people there unless I missed some ships there.

It also made me wonder if when that citizen crew man told them that he was taken off of one of the other ships, if the Peg didn't only take in those who could be useful to them. Then disregard everyone else since they were at war. In other words the civilian ships would hold it back, and were seen as a hinderance.

The thought did cross my mind. Unlike Adama she has no Roselyn to keep her in check. She also seems to have no use for Civilian authority or needs.

[Sauce]

Couple quick thoughts....The way Baltar's Six reacted really does make me think she's a part of his imagination. He obviously was horrified to see the tortured six, therefore his subconcious "Six" responded the same way.

Also did anybody notice Cain is accompanied by armed Marines at all times? Even Adama doesn't keep an escort like that. And he has a reason to.

Where is the Quorom of 12? Wouldn't they want to weigh in on a new Military commander? How about the Press?

Why didn't Roselyn press her authority with Cain? Couldn't she have promoted Adama to Admiral of the Fleet? If she can't, who can? Pegasus shows up and everyone who's battled together for months capitulates so easily?

[Freyr Vanir]

IMO there is a huge diffrence on how you treat a person when both of you are holding a guns at each other and how you treat a prisoner. How you treat your weak(Mentaily ill and the like) and your defeated enemies show how good of a civilization you are. Cain and her crew are what we never want to be IMO. Even tho all over the world(USA included) there are people in power that would do stuff like that at the drop of a hat.

Also listen to the podcast for this episode. http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/
They had to cut over 15 minutes cut from the episode. They wanted to make it a 90Min episode but it didn't happen. A lot of the thing people are saying they wish had happen did but had to be cut. Moore said tho that the season DVDs will have the uncut version .

[alaskannut]

GAHHHHHHH!!!!!!


that will be all

[DHD]

Ok first, it is strange seeing Michelle Forbes on TV, God she has changed since TNG. Second, With the Pegasus being one of the newer Battlestars, one would think that Baltars CMD program would be in the computers, And while it may be a act of "treason" it would put both the Pegasus and the Mark 7 Vipers at a serious disadvanage, that is assuming that Galactica has a copy of it floating around, and if not I am sure 'boomer' may have a copy in her somewhere. I feel it may be advantagious for them to put that ***** in check with her attitude and her sadistic Diety complex. As for turning Pegasus into scrap, perhaps, but one would figure that it may be a good idea to caniblize the ship for parts, The Galactica IS 50+ years old, I am sure the ship could use some upgrades that wouldn't put her in any danger from the cylon virus, and as for the crew, while they represent the worst of the human race with bigotry, hatred and so forth, they are only trying to survive like Galactica, and unlike Galactica, Pegasus didn't have a voice of consious like Adama had with the president and 45000 plus people in the fleet. I feel that while the admiral needs to be used to wipe the hull of Galactica, the crew of Pegasus needs to be given the choice of joining Galactica's crew and following orders of the soon to be promoted Adama, and the CAG, they should also bring over the Raptors, Vipers and whatever other ships and ordinance and canibilize all the parts from Pegasus cause she is a danger cause of the flaws with the CMD program and the networked computer system.

[David]

The president has the power to issue pardons for both the men. Adama would've went to her first. Unrealistic.

[DHD]

The president has the power to issue pardons for both the men. Adama would've went to her first. Unrealistic.

Perhaps, but if you missed it, Roslyn said that Cain wasn't taking phone calls, and Cain seems to be hell bent on doing things her own way no matter what the results.

[SG-1ssm]

I think this was one of the best episodes to date. The plot was very good, and it is hard to see who is right, Adama or Kay. I side with Adama obvisiouly because he is a main character and I agree more with his point of view.

The next episode is going to be great, but I don't think there is going to be a battle. I think that Adama and Kay will yell at each other over the phone for most of the episode and at the end Kay will hand over the chief and whats-his-face, and then the main fleet will jump away.

I personally didn't like season 1 very much but season 2 is a lot better now that its not all about Gaus and #6.

[NK1969]

I loved this episode. One of the things I've always loved about BSG is that it's not traditional science fiction that relies on gizmos and gadgets. There's an element of reality in it.

Being a veteran of the US Navy who served aboard an aircraft carrier prior to the first Gulf War I'm struck by the accuracies/parallels depicted in BSG. They are many elements in Galactica's operations and crew life that hold true to my memories of being a carrier sailor.

I have to say that I bristled when the Pegasus XO referred to Galactica as an "old bucket". Pegasus may be newer, but not necessarily better in battle. (OT: I wonder why her computers weren't hacked?) My own ship was a post-Korean war class of carrier nearing retirement that did quite well in a wargame against a state-of-the-art Nimitz class carrier.

As for the actions of the crews, minus the tortures and rape (which were appalling to me) I can well relate to the breakdown of morale, discipline and even the very morality of both crews - I've seen it happen firsthand. Conflicts aboard my ship often erupted over the stupidest things and were justified as "just blowing off steam".

I think leadership has given the Galactica crew the edge over Pegasus though. Cain is clearly a loose cannon who got where she was by being aggressive and overly demanding of her subordinates. BTW, I do think that she shot her original XO. Just look how easily she justified her actions throughout the whole episode? I also think that the Marine guard is her way of exerting her dominance, like her own personal gestapo.

[DHD]

Pegasus though. Cain is clearly a loose cannon who got where she was by being aggressive and overly demanding of her subordinates. BTW, I do think that she shot her original XO. Just look how easily she justified her actions throughout the whole episode? I also think that the Marine guard is her way of exerting her dominance, like her own personal gestapo.

While I am forced to agree with you about how it is on a ship (Coast Guard), It still doesn't justify any of the actions. I have seen hardliner Admirals, and Captains, but when it comes down to it, just because there is no higher authority, there is ALWAYS someone will to step up to the challange. Cain made one fatal flaw, She is going nose to nose with Adama, He has more years of experience with him, he is in a seriously battle tested ship, a loyal and well trained and very close crew. And finally it goes back to the networked computers and the CMD program of Baltars that is onboard Pegasus ,Mark 7 vipers that is on Pegasus and the Raptors.

[Natron]

Can the President give an order to an officer? Doesn't the order have to go through the proper chain of command?

I'm pretty sure that, in the US, the President cannot give a command to anyone below the Joint Chiefs. Of course, I don't know if the Colonial Fleet operates the same way, and there are obviously no Joint Chiefs, but at least what I know from the West Wing is that the President gives an order to the Joint Chiefs, and the Joint Chiefs begin the process of carrying out that order.

Of course, I could be wrong.

[SG-1ssm]

Sorry wong place.

*reposting in proper forum*

[SG-1ssm]

Wow, that thing on her face annoyed the crap out of me

Ya, me too.

I think this was one of the best episodes to date. The plot was very good, and it is hard to see who is right, Adama or Kay. I side with Adama obvisiouly because he is a main character and I agree more with his point of view.

The next episode is going to be great, but I don't think there is going to be a battle. I think that Adama and Kay will yell at each other over the phone for most of the episode and at the end Kay will hand over the chief and whats-his-face, and then the main fleet will jump away.

I personally didn't like season 1 very much but season 2 is a lot better now that its not all about Gaus and #6.