The Covid19 thread

[Annoyed]

so apparently the latest nascent trend in some countries like the US is advising people not to call emergency if you come down with covid - especially so if you've the more serious symptoms - and to stay home & take your chances instead +_+

Grim New Rules for NYC Paramedics: Don’t Bring Cardiac Arrests to ER for Revival

[jelgate]

I love Discovery. It's closer to DS9 than TNG. I think given the nitpicking nature of Trekkies I think any series is going to be mixed

[Annoyed]

I might do a rewatch of "Enterprise".. Been a while since I saw that.

[Annoyed]

One more for your collection Jel
Jelgate is right.
It's not to be preferential it's to keep the most at risk safer. All these measures, at least out here are temporary in order to keep people safe and flatten the curve so the hospitals don't simply just fall over (something the US is going to feel in the next two weeks based on modelling.)
It's an odd time for you top develop a social, nay SOCIALIST conscience...….

This is about something is either right or wrong. It's one or the other. If our society says discrimination is wrong, it's wrong. No matter who the victims or beneficiaries are. Or the reason,

And how did socialism come into this?

[Annoyed]

heard this today, it is advisable for people to wear masks all day, the virus can spread even when just innocently talking, so to reduce the chance of catching it, or spreading it , it doesn't matter what kind of mask, and just to answer your question, YES I would think that a full face Halloween mask would be better than nothing, even the bandana would be better than nothing. so there is what I heard today.

Yep. Los Angeles and other municipalities are already talking about requiring their being worn in public. And I have heard it bandied about on the national level too.

Just how do they expect to pull that off, since most people can't buy masks because they've all been yanked from the distribution chain for health care workers? Even Home Depot/Lowes and such have diverted their painting and such masks.

Even more, the feds told the population in early March not to buy them because they weren't effective?

[jelgate]

This is about something is either right or wrong. It's one or the other. If our society says discrimination is wrong, it's wrong. No matter who the victims or beneficiaries are. Or the reason,

And how did socialism come into this?

No it's not. You're creating a problem does not exist. Proven by you ignoring the facts again

[epg20]

Yep. Los Angeles and other municipalities are already talking about requiring their being worn in public. And I have heard it bandied about on the national level too.

Just how do they expect to pull that off, since most people can't buy masks because they've all been yanked from the distribution chain for health care workers? Even Home Depot/Lowes and such have diverted their painting and such masks.

Even more, the feds told the population in early March not to buy them because they weren't effective?

maybe this will give you some ideas, it sure did for me.

Funny Anti-Coronavirus DIY Solutions

[epg20]

things that will make you go AWWWW...

Wholesome Stories That Will Cheer You Up During The Coronavirus Panic

[Gatefan1976]

This is about something is either right or wrong.

No, it's about safety for the most vunerable. It's not black or white, right or wrong, it sits in the grey area between right now. Normally, I would agree with your point, but these are not normal times. This is where you need to be flexible in your thinking.

It's one or the other. If our society says discrimination is wrong, it's wrong. No matter who the victims or beneficiaries are. Or the reason,

You wanted to know when Socialism came into this?
You just did it.
All socialism is, is a form of "flattening the curve" Do people who have more money have the right to get better access to drugs, medical staff and attention? Did they care back in December and January when the virus could have been caught, investigated and we could all have been ahead of the curve? Hell no.
All you are realizing is that if you had a better medical system, you would be better off.

And how did socialism come into this?

Again, you put it into it. read your own posts.

[Falcon Horus]

The masks more block you from spreading what you have, than protect from catching something. If someone who has the virus coughs in your face and you're wearing a regular mask, that's not likely to stop you from catching what that person has. But if a sick person is coughing into their mask or an asymptomatic person is breathing/talking into one, they aren't spreading whatever they have around if you're in closer contact with them.

A) If anyone would be close enough to cough in my face, I'd smack them so hard, they'll have my imprint in their face for a week. Might even have to go for a new nose too. You don't do that sort of thing in normal circumstances. How rude.

B) Social distancing means you have to be 1 velociraptor apart... what are you standing so close for? Unless you're a healthcare worker, you have to maintain your distance.

That, to the best of my understanding, isn't true.

Considering the experts been contradicting themselves over it, it's not not true either.

Think about it: if masks lower chance of infection for healthcare workers, why not for you?

They are wearing a lot more than just the mask. They are wearing an entire suit -- body condom, whatever you want to call it.

Or at least, those lucky enough to have all the equipment.

However, masks only make sense when you are in close proximity to people...

Which according to the social distancing regulations, you shouldn't be -- as a regular person (even shop-people have to keep their distance).

[mad_gater]

add cloaking device then

[OT] incidentally am thinking of watching ST Discovery is it worth it? (fan of Tng, Voy and - to a lesser degree - DS9)

phasing cloak?

[Annoyed]

And, for those of you who doubt my cynical attitudes, in this case the greed of business....

https://www.foxnews.com/media/florid...masks-overseas

The head of Florida's Division of Emergency Management has accused U.S. mask manufacturer 3M of shipping the critical protective equipment to foreign countries who outbid U.S. buyers -- even as hospitals and state officials desperately scramble to secure N95 protective masks for healthcare workers on the frontlines of the coronavirus pandemic.

Jared Moskowitz told "Tucker Carlson Tonight" Thursday that he discovered that 3M distributors were prioritizing foreign buyers after they refused to sell him the essential equipment.

[Annoyed]

No, it's about safety for the most vunerable. It's not black or white, right or wrong, it sits in the grey area between right now. Normally, I would agree with your point, but these are not normal times. This is where you need to be flexible in your thinking.

Right and wrong are still concepts that apply, regardless of circumstances. You are either saying that discrimination is acceptable or that it is not acceptable. You can't have it both ways.

You wanted to know when Socialism came into this?
You just did it.
All socialism is, is a form of "flattening the curve" Do people who have more money have the right to get better access to drugs, medical staff and attention? Did they care back in December and January when the virus could have been caught, investigated and we could all have been ahead of the curve? Hell no.
All you are realizing is that if you had a better medical system, you would be better off.

Again, you put it into it. read your own posts.

You've been letting the media write for you again. Parroting the phrase "flattening the curve", which is all the rage in the media as a way to describe the lowering of the rate of new infections has nothing to do with this.

The only point you're even close on is that yes, indeed, we could have done something about this back in Dec. or Jan., when we first heard of shiznit coming from China. We could have slammed the doors on the country. But, politically, could we have done that? No. Not a chance. We're too damned afraid of pissing people off.

[VampyreWraith]

add cloaking device then

[OT] incidentally am thinking of watching ST Discovery is it worth it? (fan of Tng, Voy and - to a lesser degree - DS9)

I love Discovery. A lot of people like season 2 more than season 1, so if you start watching season 1 keep going to season 2, since most people tend to like it better. I actually really liked both seasons, I can't really decide which season I like more, since there were certain things I loved about season 1 that weren't part of season 2 and certain things I loved about season 2 that weren't part of season 1. Picard is also really good, I haven gotten around to finishing the 1st season yet though, since I've been having a hard time watching new things, (my house is chaotic with my dogs and rewatching things I've watched before just makes me feel better lol). If I had to rank the Star Trek series starting with my favorite it would go: TNG, DS9, Discovery/Picard, VOY, ENT, TOS (or maybe I'd put TOS before Enterprise).

[VampyreWraith]

A) If anyone would be close enough to cough in my face, I'd smack them so hard, they'll have my imprint in their face for a week. Might even have to go for a new nose too. You don't do that sort of thing in normal circumstances. How rude.

B) Social distancing means you have to be 1 velociraptor apart... what are you standing so close for? Unless you're a healthcare worker, you have to maintain your distance.



Considering the experts been contradicting themselves over it, it's not not true either.



They are wearing a lot more than just the mask. They are wearing an entire suit -- body condom, whatever you want to call it.

Or at least, those lucky enough to have all the equipment.



Which according to the social distancing regulations, you shouldn't be -- as a regular person (even shop-people have to keep their distance).

Not everyone pays attention to social distancing rules (and sometimes it might not even be on purpose), and if you have someone at high risk in your house you might want to wear one as an extra precaution when you go out and even inside your house so in case you have something, you're not sharing it with someone who can possibly die from it. In NYC, they're recommending that everyone have some sort of face covering when they go out, it doesn't have to be a mask, since they're in short supply and medical workers need them, it can be a scarf or something else to cover your face.

There are probably a lot of asymptomatic people out there that can be unknowingly spreading the virus. I know someone who works as a nurse in a maternity ward of local hospital, they test all the women who come in so that they can take precautions. She said she had about 8 pregnant women test positive in 2 days and only 1 had any kind of visible symptoms.