The Department of Boneheadedness.

[mad_gater]

SARS2 (cause that's what it really is) is an evolution of the first SARS cause it spreads faster
but it's far less deadly than the first one (3% vs 10%)

I reckon a SARS3 as deadly as SARS1 & spreading like SARS2 would jolt everyone awake

in the modern age EVERY bug is gonna spread like wildfire because by the time people start realizing people are sick they're already half-way around the world via the major global airline hubs...so in an age where people can go half-way around the world in a matter of hours every bug in existence is gonna start spreading like wildfire

[Annoyed]

SARS2 (cause that's what it really is) is an evolution of the first SARS cause it spreads faster
but it's far less deadly than the first one (3% vs 10%)

I reckon a SARS3 as deadly as SARS1 & spreading like SARS2 would jolt everyone awake

This might not be an "accident"
I wouldn't put it past Communist China to intentionally release something like this.

Consider:

Trump's administration has been the first to play hardball with China on trade, IP issues and such. So, it's understandable that they would want him gone.

Prior to this disease, Trump's re-election was virtually a lock because of the strength of the U.S. economy. Destroying that economy would have been the best way to lessen his chances of re-election. It wouldn't have been too hard for them to predict that a disease that is spread this easily would have a devastating effect on our economy.

We have means, motive and opportunity. I have to wonder if this is something they intentionally unleashed as a means to alter our elections. It makes sense. And they certainly have not been forthcoming with many of the details of this.

The only real opposing point is that their own people are affected and killed by it too. But would the leaders of Communist China even consider the welfare of their own citizens, if it got in the way of their achieving their objectives? Heck, China has an overpopulation problem, don't they? They might consider their own losses a bonus.

Could this be an attack upon us?

[SGalisa]

SARS2 (cause that's what it really is) is an evolution of the first SARS cause it spreads faster
but it's far less deadly than the first one (3% vs 10%)

I reckon a SARS3 as deadly as SARS1 & spreading like SARS2 would jolt everyone awake

I heard the COV-ID19 has already mutated.

This might not be an "accident"
I wouldn't put it past Communist China to intentionally release something like this.

Consider:

Trump's administration has been the first to play hardball with China on trade, IP issues and such. So, it's understandable that they would want him gone.

Prior to this disease, Trump's re-election was virtually a lock because of the strength of the U.S. economy. Destroying that economy would have been the best way to lessen his chances of re-election. It wouldn't have been too hard for them to predict that a disease that is spread this easily would have a devastating effect on our economy.

We have means, motive and opportunity. I have to wonder if this is something they intentionally unleashed as a means to alter our elections. It makes sense. And they certainly have not been forthcoming with many of the details of this.

The only real opposing point is that their own people are affected and killed by it too. But would the leaders of Communist China even consider the welfare of their own citizens, if it got in the way of their achieving their objectives? Heck, China has an overpopulation problem, don't they? They might consider their own losses a bonus.

Could this be an attack upon us?

I'm not going to focus on the elections, but China (and other potential countries pulling the same nonsense) in general here.

Why should a socialist or communist country care about who dies as a result of them implementing some freaky measure that will either "weaken" or destroy their enemy (enemies)..?

Trump has been putting restrictions in place against China ever since he got into office. China on the other extreme is now fighting him back... It's sort of a personal issue between TPTB here. The previous PTB who were building China up, have all been ganging up against Trump and everything he has tried to do to keep the USA economy and other stuff going as smoothly as possible, despite the problematic oppositions.

Just remember this, a long time ago, I said in either my topic or one of those other "controversial" topics now locked, TO KEEP an eye on China (whether anyone here believed it or not..!). It may be a KEY factor in what happens during the times of this world's greatest troubles (nicknamed "Great Tribulation") in the future yet to come.

However, when I wrote the above about China, I had no details as to WHY it seemed to strike me as being an important, major world *player* in what was YET to fall upon (disaster-wise) on this little planet earth. Now, we may know of ONE of those key factors that just may have put CHINA into the spotlight of future things to occur. So, my advice is to keep tracking what happens from here on in... world-wise. It's not going to be a smooth ride any more.

Don't say I never told yah (all -- generic *you*) so, either... cause I did.
It's tempting to also add "Deal with it.." but I'm in the same sinking boat as everyone else.

[VampyreWraith]

On the whole COVID-19 was manufactured thing, I read this the other day.

https://www.livescience.com/amp/coro...de-in-lab.html

[Annoyed]

On the whole COVID-19 was manufactured thing, I read this the other day.

https://www.livescience.com/amp/coro...de-in-lab.html

If scientists had deliberately engineered this virus, they wouldn't have chosen mutations that computer models suggest won't work. But it turns out, nature is smarter than scientists, and the novel coronavirus found a way to mutate that was better — and completely different— from anything scientists could have created, the study found.

Another nail in the "escaped from evil lab" theory? The overall molecular structure of this virus is distinct from the known coronaviruses and instead most closely resembles viruses found in bats and pangolins that had been little studied and never known to cause humans any harm.

"If someone were seeking to engineer a new coronavirus as a pathogen, they would have constructed it from the backbone of a virus known to cause illness,"

That looks like a lot of conjecture to me. "wouldn't have", "could have created".

It's also quite possible the authors were directed to write a piece dismissing such concerns to placate the population.

I'm not saying this WAS deliberate, and this piece doesn't prove it wasn't either.

But if it smells like a skunk, looks like a skunk and acts like a skunk, it might be a skunk. And I think it is wise to keep that in mind.

[VampyreWraith]

That looks like a lot of conjecture to me. "wouldn't have", "could have created".

It's also quite possible the authors were directed to write a piece dismissing such concerns to placate the population.

I'm not saying this WAS deliberate, and this piece doesn't prove it wasn't either.

But if it smells like a skunk, looks like a skunk and acts like a skunk, it might be a skunk. And I think it is wise to keep that in mind.

Neither I nor the article said it "proved" that it wasn't, just that there is basis to believe that it wasn't. I found it interesting and I'm more likely to belive that it wasn't manufactured than I am to believe that it was manufactured and intentionally put out by China to stick it to Trump.

[SGalisa]

. . .
Why should a socialist or communist country care about who dies as a result of them implementing some freaky measure that will either "weaken" or destroy their enemy (enemies)..?

Trump has been putting restrictions in place against China ever since he got into office. China on the other extreme is now fighting him back... It's sort of a personal issue between TPTB here. The previous PTB who were building China up, have all been ganging up against Trump and everything he has tried to do to keep the USA economy and other stuff going as smoothly as possible, despite the problematic oppositions.

Just remember this, a long time ago, I said in either my topic or one of those other "controversial" topics now locked, TO KEEP an eye on China (whether anyone here believed it or not..!). It may be a KEY factor in what happens during the times of this world's greatest troubles...

However, when I wrote the above about China, I had no details as to WHY it seemed to strike me as being an important, major world *player* in what was YET to fall upon (disaster-wise) on this little planet earth. Now, we may know of ONE of those key factors that just may have put CHINA into the spotlight of future things to occur. So, my advice is to keep tracking what happens from here on in... world-wise. It's not going to be a smooth ride any more.
. . .

Now combining the above with the below quotes. . .

That looks like a lot of conjecture to me. "wouldn't have", "could have created".

It's also quite possible the authors were directed to write a piece dismissing such concerns to placate the population.

I'm not saying this WAS deliberate, and this piece doesn't prove it wasn't either.

But if it smells like a skunk, looks like a skunk and acts like a skunk, it might be a skunk. And I think it is wise to keep that in mind.

Neither I nor the article said it "proved" that it wasn't, just that there is basis to believe that it wasn't. I found it interesting and I'm more likely to belive that it wasn't manufactured than I am to believe that it was manufactured and intentionally put out by China to stick it to Trump.

Okay... just for clarification purposes to all of the above, as noted. Where the COV-ID19 virus came from is no longer important. The problem is that it started in the regions of Wuhan, China near or next to an open (live?) animal/etc.-selling market. That is where the virus originated and then spread out to other regions of China and then, eventually to the rest of the world.

So, the problem with China AND the media is that both of them seemed to be reporting "OMG! This is terrible..." and help was offered to assist (by USA/Trump) from what I read ages ago. However, China refused that help, but the bug got out of its central location and got picked up by travelers and locals within the Wuhan area. From there, it wandered via HUMAN contact to other regions, and eventually other parts of the world.

Please NOTE: Not blaming the people of China for causing this... just pointing out that the circumstances happened in a way that went above and beyond anyone's knowledge of control, unless it was one of those Bio-Lab escapees somehow... sort of like what we see in many sci-fi films and stories.

By the time, TPTB in China figured out how to contain or control the virus from getting passed from human to human, the virus-bug had already reached beyond China's shorelines and began entering other countries. NO one was stopping those countries, because they weren't aware until AFTER more people got infected, that the bug latched onto humans who came in contact with surfaces where the virus was still living upon. Those people were carriers, until the bug infected them, but at the same time, was able to pass itself on to other people into mainstream societies. The USA was one of the last ones on the list of entry ports.

What has happened since then, is a war of words of who and HOW it started to spread first. So, is this our pre-WWIII entry point , or just a bunch of complaints from one country blame-shifting another country for letting the proverbial goose out of the pen, to take flight..? China started accusing the USA (hence Trump in particular?) of sending the virus into China via USA military. USA said nonsense... the bug somehow got out of China's animal-meat markets, which coincidentally was near Wuhan's major Bio-LAB.

So, from that point in time of how much was learned about this virus, that is where both countries have been verbally (for now) fighting back and forth and blame-shifting. Because of that, some recent news media outlets have been adding fuel to the proverbial fires that China is provoking a war against the USA or manipulating its elections.

END of STORY. (or that's all the data I've been able to keep track of so far..) Can't rely on where the origin of TRUTH exists any more, because this *seems* to be turning into an ugly world-stage event, with CHINA at the Front-Center stage. Well, that's all I can figure out from the piles of information that the news media and other personas keep spouting off about.

[Annoyed]

Considering China's response to this, and the number of other diseases that have originated there, I think it is important to remember where this came from.

Maybe we should be rethinking what we get from that country overall as well as travel to or from there as well.

[epg20]

Depends when you slam the doors shut,
We first got wind of this in what? December? Suppose we and other nations had been smart and slammed the doors shut then? Suppose every nation on earth required a mandatory 1 month quarantine period for anyone returning or coming from outside the the country in question.

The disease would have been confined to China, played itself out and the crisis would likely be mostly over by now.
Instead, we're looking at a worldwide epidemic with an accompanying worldwide recession that will years.

Remember the first cruise ship that was offshore from California? Someone decided to be compassionate and let it dock anyway. 2 weeks later, the US had its first case, in California.

Isolation works, IF you apply it soon enough and strictly enough.

so you want to strand someone in another country when their visa runs out and are considered "illegal aliens" that is what you are considered once your visa expires and you stay in the country.

if the Donald had taken the information he was given seriously BEFORE the massive out break in china and offered them the help or at the very least started to prepare for a possible out break then things could have ben lessened, the cdc could have begun to research the virus and begun to create a vaccine and things could have ben shut down like dipping a match in a glass of water, but the Donald didn't see it effect his bank account or his poll numbers, the ones that show that the public still love him, so he didn't care about it.


the first cases were in Washington state, once it began in California it was in new York, Illinois, floridia(here) and other states that have international airports and cruise ship docks.

[Annoyed]

so you want to strand someone in another country when their visa runs out and are considered "illegal aliens" that is what you are considered once your visa expires and you stay in the country.

if the Donald had taken the information he was given seriously BEFORE the massive out break in china and offered them the help or at the very least started to prepare for a possible out break then things could have ben lessened, the cdc could have begun to research the virus and begun to create a vaccine and things could have ben shut down like dipping a match in a glass of water, but the Donald didn't see it effect his bank account or his poll numbers, the ones that show that the public still love him, so he didn't care about it.


the first cases were in Washington state, once it began in California it was in new York, Illinois, floridia(here) and other states that have international airports and cruise ship docks.

Unless management around here give us the ok, I'm not going to go into the political aspects of this, of which there are many.

But I do maintain what I've said. The US & most other countries should have slammed the doors shut in Dec. or Jan., as soon as they knew about it. As far as working with China, as I understand it, they were not too forthcoming about providing the world the details. Quarantine is a known, proven barrier to the spread of disease. But you must practice it. We didn't.

[VampyreWraith]

I saw this on Twitter, with Italian Mayors basically frustrated that some people keep ignoring the rules. It's got some foul language so it may not be for everyone.

https://twitter.com/protectheflames/...782669824?s=09

[jelgate]

I empathize with that reaction. I'm trying to keep my exposure down but it's really hard when my customers show a lack of concern. I may be dramatizing a little, but I fear for my safety

[Annoyed]

We're seeing the same thing here. Unfortunately, not even a brick upside the head is enough to get a message through to some folks.

Side comment on this.. It's astounding how many businesses have been classified as "essential" and are making their people work. To the point where it's valid to ask "what is the point of the stay at home order?"
I mean.. Home Depot/Lowes are "essential"? Liquor stores are "essential" ? There are many other examples.

[Gatefan1976]

We're seeing the same thing here. Unfortunately, not even a brick upside the head is enough to get a message through to some folks.

Side comment on this.. It's astounding how many businesses have been classified as "essential" and are making their people work. To the point where it's valid to ask "what is the point of the stay at home order?"
I mean.. Home Depot/Lowes are "essential"? Liquor stores are "essential" ? There are many other examples.

retail is essential, about time you morons realised it.

[SGalisa]

I empathize with that reaction. I'm trying to keep my exposure down but it's really hard when my customers show a lack of concern. I may be dramatizing a little, but I fear for my safety

No, you (jelgate) are *not* over-dramatizing. I've been seeing a lot of comments like this elsewhere, because of the mobs who raid the store shelves the moment the stores open up. It's like midnight madness sales at Christmas, with hoards of people ready to knock the doors down, lest they miss that special deal being marked down. Except in this case, it's whatever household supply or food item is needed that they rush over to get.

It was amazing to me in seeing how pleasant people were after daylight work hours, because by then, nothing was left on the shelf (got wiped clean from previous, crazy "panic-buyers"). I couldn't get to the stores earlier, so everything was either gone or nearly gone. People at the time I went into the stores were being very courteous and polite, moreso than I've ever seen. Instead of finding someone ready to run you over at the end of an aisle, they would say "Ooops! sorry..." ...back off and let the other person move first. Wish people would act that nicely ALL the time... jeesh! Anywho, it was amazing to watch in action.

We're seeing the same thing here....

Side comment on this.. It's astounding how many businesses have been classified as "essential" and are making their people work. To the point where it's valid to ask "what is the point of the stay at home order?"
I mean.. Home Depot/Lowes are "essential"? Liquor stores are "essential" ? There are many other examples.

I think I figured this out (please see below), and partly from pulling info from other people on other web discussion sites.

Hardware stores are especially essential in case something breaks down in plumbing or heating or electrical. At least there is a place to go to get fresh supplies for replacement parts. That makes plenty of sense. Otherwise, we might as well live like we just survived from getting hit in a nuclear war zone, and NOTHING is open... not even grocery stores. Lumber goods are only good for people stuck at home, working on home repair projects (which my hubby is currently replacing the flooring, and walls from fixing a bad leak from last year, which only now has been able to get to fix it).

Oh, and don't forget the appliances section. Our clothes washer started to die a few weeks ago, and we felt impressed to order a new one, ASAP. A week later, deliveries were beginning to be put on hold. So, there are those items too that *some* people (might desperately!) need.

Plus, the hardware stores do offer a good supply of paper products such as toilet paper and paper towels and cleaning products, bleach, car cleaners and some auto supplies, plus bottled water, in case the tap stops working in urban environments.

AND... both Home Depot and Lowes have plenty of gardening supplies that will be needed in the warmer weather to combat against insect bug pests (like ants, wasps/hornets, etc.) AND offer seeds to grow food vegetables for home gardens that can afford the space and time, etc. to invest in those.
(Wish I had the yard space and in a better location, too... "no room in the Inn," so to speak)

But the liquor stores... I read that someone gave the excuse of the liquor containing a certain % of alcohol that could be used to mix with hand sanitizers... The other reasons are because
"Misery loves company" (a bottle of booze to drown one's sorrows)
and the other one is because alcoholics NEED their (daily/weekly) fix.

When my coworkers were leaving the office last week, all of the boozers were bragging about chugging down those bottles of liquor they needed to buy and wallow in for the next several weeks. Truly sad.