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Originally posted by SoulReaver View Postit's good to see that some conservatives at least still respect & revere Big Government
Also, "big government" has contributed to the problem by enabling and even encouraging via subsidies people who have no business having kids because they can't care for them to have them anyway.
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Originally posted by Annoyed View PostWould you rather leave the "bad" kids in school to disrupt things for those kids who are there to learn? A quick trip to prison might actually scare some of these teenage monsters straight. Even if it doesn't, removing them from the schools is a good thing. According to a large number of teachers, these disruptive students are making school hell for teachers, staff and other students, and as it stands now, almost nothing can be done to get rid of them.
It's not rare for a student to refuse to leave a classroom when they prove themselves disruptive. But usually getting a student support teacher or an administrator is enough to get them to leave the room. In this case, not even the orders from a resource officer worked.
Yes, the officer should have used physical force to remove her from the area. However, he did use a whole lot more than he needed. I mean...he threw the desk to the floor and threw her from it across the room within a split second.
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Originally posted by mad_gater View Postso if someone is attacking me I'm just supposed to sit there and let them pummel me? heck no! just use of force in defense of my own person makes me far better than the person who just beats the crap out of people for the fun of it...and far better than the person who hasn't the stones to fight back when being attacked
Originally posted by jelgate View PostI would say it depends on how you are being attacked. I support a person defending themselves but if their is a better alternative I suggest taking it
Originally posted by aretood2 View PostActually, they are sheriff deputies and have full police powers in the county that the department operates in. Or at least in my area. There are states where sheriff departments don't have full police powers, they have on call police officers or a stationed officer from a local police department. Schools they are assigned to are considered their "beat" or jurisdiction just like in any large department with multiple precincts.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostWould you rather leave the "bad" kids in school to disrupt things for those kids who are there to learn? A quick trip to prison might actually scare some of these teenage monsters straight. Even if it doesn't, removing them from the schools is a good thing. According to a large number of teachers, these disruptive students are making school hell for teachers, staff and other students, and as it stands now, almost nothing can be done to get rid of them.Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
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How about parents can discipline their child as they see fit, and can tell the people who stick their noses in that it's none of their damn business.sigpic
Long before you and I were born, others beat these benches with their empty cups,
To the night and its stars, to the here and now with who we are.
Another sunrise with my sad captains, with who I choose to lose my mind,
And if it's all we only pass this way but once, what a perfect waste of time.
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I remember getting slapped across the face on more than one occasion, or spending some quality time staring at the wall with my knees carressing a stone floor - my sister a corner to the right or left - pondering the trouble we had gotten ourselves into. I didn't turn out so bad.
As they see fit, doesn't mean they'd have to abuse them. thoughHeightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
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Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostI remember getting slapped across the face on more than one occasion, or spending some quality time staring at the wall with my knees carressing a stone floor - my sister a corner to the right or left - pondering the trouble we had gotten ourselves into. I didn't turn out so bad.
As they see fit, doesn't mean they'd have to abuse them. thoughOriginally posted by aretood2Jelgate is right
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Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostHere's a thought: how about deal with the problem to find a solution as to why these kids are behaving the way they are. Maybe they are bored in class, or have a problem at home and act out accordingly.
What the cop did was too much, but at that point some use of physical force was warranted. Otherwise she was going to hold the whole day hostage. Often in education, it's easy to forget the other 29 students.
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Originally posted by mad_gater View Postdid you happen to miss the part where I said that the "sweet innocent little girl" also TOOK A SWING at the cop in question? once she started using fists he was well within his rights to use force in return
I mean, why bother dealing with an issue when you have a ready made strawman to distract from the conversation?sigpicALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.A lie is just a truth that hasn't gone through conversion therapy yetThe truth isn't the truth
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Originally posted by mad_gater View PostThe "sweet innocent little girl" that the media is disingenuously trying to portray her as mouthed off to the cop and even took a swing at him when all the cop was trying to do was his job, which was to remove the blatantly disruptive "sweet innocent little girl" from the class
was he just supposed to stand there and let someone take a swing at him without fighting back?
don't know about you but if someone unjustly takes a swing at me, I can and I WILL make sure that person regrets it....whether it be a male or a female
Originally posted by aretood2 View PostActually, they are sheriff deputies and have full police powers in the county that the department operates in. Or at least in my area. There are states where sheriff departments don't have full police powers, they have on call police officers or a stationed officer from a local police department. Schools they are assigned to are considered their "beat" or jurisdiction just like in any large department with multiple precincts.
I didn't see her swing her arm, and I watched two different videos...
Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostI remember getting slapped across the face on more than one occasion, or spending some quality time staring at the wall with my knees carressing a stone floor - my sister a corner to the right or left - pondering the trouble we had gotten ourselves into. I didn't turn out so bad.
As they see fit, doesn't mean they'd have to abuse them. though
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Originally posted by jelgate View PostJury still out on those
Originally posted by aretood2 View PostIn general? Sure. But sometimes there isn't time for that and a student needs to be removed from the class for various reasons. Number 1 being removing their audience. Without an audience a lot of teenagers end up becoming 1000 times more reasonable all of a sudden. Also in a classroom environment, class has to go on. The other 29 students have a right to an education, and no one person has the right to take that because they need to deal with issues. So when a student refuses to leave the room or go to the guidance or admin office, that becomes an issue. At that point teaching has stopped and nothing can be done. They were asked to leave because they are being disruptive (if not violent or hostile).Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
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Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostI agree. I just felt like Annoyed was just saying to get rid of the problem and leave them out to dry, without dealing with the cause of the problem.
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Originally posted by Annoyed View PostI am suggesting dealing with the cause of the problem. A prison stay might very well adjust the attitude and behavior of disruptive youngsters early enough in their lives where it might do some good; "scare them straight" for lack of a better term. All of this touchy-feely, psychological claptrap that they've been trying over the past 40 years or so hasn't been doing much good, has it?
You automatically assume that the cause is with the teenager, while it might very well be something in their enviroment - prison in such cases is rarely the solution.Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
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