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[SoulReaver]

Our criminal justice system is really very forgiving toward the elites

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[Annoyed]

Probably because they are fit as hell to do whatever it is they do.

Being physically fit does not necessarily mean "hottie".

[thekillman]

Fair enough.... But then where do you draw the line?

Should we ban fashion models next or cheerleaders?

American Football wouldn't be the same.

This is F1 making the changes, so it's not really "banning". Cheer leaders still fulfill a clear purpose - to fill up the holes in the sports agenda, like in breaks or just before the game. It doesn't have to be cheerleaders specifically, but such a need will obviously exist in some shape or form.

Fashion models similarly have a purpose, namely to show off the clothes.

Pit girls though, have no real purpose in racing sport. They don't exist to fill scheduling holes, but purely to look pretty next to a car.

I'm not saying it's bad or good, but from what i've understood F1 suffers from a relevance problem and so anything that makes it focus on resolving that is a good thing.

Being physically fit does not necessarily mean "hottie".

From what i've gathered, Fit can mean physically fit in america, but for brits it really does mean "hot".

Why havn't we seen the same sort of thing for cheerleaders?

Maybe people don't bother with it, or have bigger issues to deal with. Perhaps there's some self-sorting going on. Cheerleaders tend to not just be for the pretty ones, but also tend to require an athletic build. and as far as i know, those that enjoy practicing athletics are the ones that are of the right type in the first place. In that sense, the cheerleaders are sorted out automatically.

Or perhaps the cheerleaders have better lawyers.

[Falcon Horus]

Being physically fit does not necessarily mean "hottie".

That depends on the point of view of the onlooker.

[Annoyed]

That depends on the point of view of the onlooker.

True, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But you see very few if any cheerleaders whose facial features, body types and so forth are outside the range of what is considered attractive by most of the population.
How often do you see a cheerleader "with a face only a mother could love" to use a common term for an unattractive female?

[Coco Pops]

The unhealthy-looking skinny ones -- yes, immediately.

The life of fashion models may look glamerous, but boy... it's hard work.



Or your ... what's that league called.. the one where half naked women play american football... And gosh, men are such woosies if you see how little those women wear.

Oh I totally agree with you......

I have known a few models over the years and they do lead a very non healthy life if they work for an agency. They're not so much told to lose the weight and be skin and bones or lose well paid gigs.. More curvy models did try and make an appearance with normal looking women who were not skin and bones but the agencies don't really want to deal with that. They prefer skin and bones.

What league? Did you mean beach volleyball?

[Womble]

True, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But you see very few if any cheerleaders whose facial features, body types and so forth are outside the range of what is considered attractive by most of the population.
How often do you see a cheerleader "with a face only a mother could love" to use a common term for an unattractive female?

The whole cheerleading thing is bizarre. I never understood the appeal.

[Womble]

I've been stewing over this most of the day.
On one hand, it -is- sexist selling techniques, something to draw the eye and no more.
On the other hand, some of these girls have gone on to be models, or used the social network of racing to get better jobs where their mental talents can be appreciated as well, so the job has served them well.

Which is the lesser of two evils here? Exploitation by others for them, or exploitation by yourself -for- yourself?

This is an odd defense. Some Thai prostitutes manage to marry a foreign man and drag their families out of poverty; is that sufficient grounds to approve the prostitution industry?

I see nothing offensive in the grid girls, but nor are they a necessary component of car racing experience. If F1 has determined that the marketing usefulness of employing grid girls has diminished, it's okay to drop the practice.

[thekillman]

This is an odd defense. Some Thai prostitutes manage to marry a foreign man and drag their families out of poverty; is that sufficient grounds to approve the prostitution industry?

I think it's more that it's not a universally bad thing. Child labor has also provided income to areas with poor prospects. The thing is, plain banning it isn't the answer if you do nothing to compensate for the good things it did.

So in a sense, yea removing pitgirls removes a job opportunity for a certain demographic, and it may be a sad loss. But if it's not working, then why continue? For the male gaze? a few words in google and you can gaze all you want. Sex doesn't really sell anymore with an oversaturated online sex market.

I see nothing offensive in the grid girls, but nor are they a necessary component of car racing experience. If F1 has determined that the marketing usefulness of employing grid girls has diminished, it's okay to drop the practice.

Yea i agree here. Though everything seems politicized nowadays, it's simply the F1 reconsidering it's strategies. I'm not a big F1 fan, but i've heard/seen some reports that major F1 players like car manufacturers do not really see the added value of it anymore. Car technology nowadays is focused on safety and environmental standards. F1 used to be a hotbed for new car technology, but now it's losing it's relevance.

In that sense, F1 has to reinvent itself. And if that means sharpening it's experience to a more core values thing, or altering the marketing nature of it, then it's fine to axe such practices.

I mean, sure they could try pitboys to draw in a female audience, but i think that would drive away more male viewers than bring in female viewers.

[Annoyed]

I think you guys are missing the point of what I'm bellyaching about.

We have equal opportunity/rights movements & advocates for blacks, women, gay/lesbian/etc., handicapped (mental and physical) and numerous other groups.

Why don't we have similar for ugly people? How many ugly girls want to be cheerleaders, models and so forth but don't have a chance because of societal discrimination against ugly people?

[Gatefan1976]

This is an odd defense. Some Thai prostitutes manage to marry a foreign man and drag their families out of poverty; is that sufficient grounds to approve the prostitution industry?

It sounds odd as a defence, because it's not a defence.
It's a question, and one -many- industries work on. People work in sales because they are -good- at sales, and companies pimp out that ability to make money, and people prostitute themselves to make money because of it.
If you are going to reduce it to a pimp/prostitute level, we are all ho's for work.

I see nothing offensive in the grid girls, but nor are they a necessary component of car racing experience. If F1 has determined that the marketing usefulness of employing grid girls has diminished, it's okay to drop the practice.

Sure, no issue at all. It's the old tech of a holstery vs the new tech of a mechanic, or a gas pumper and self serve.
I'm not really advocating or defending either view specifically.

[Gatefan1976]

I think you guys are missing the point of what I'm bellyaching about.

We have equal opportunity/rights movements & advocates for blacks, women, gay/lesbian/etc., handicapped (mental and physical) and numerous other groups.

Why don't we have similar for ugly people? How many ugly girls want to be cheerleaders, models and so forth but don't have a chance because of societal discrimination against ugly people?

Because no one has, in your mind, taken up that banner.
Does not mean they haven't, just you have never noticed it.

[Annoyed]

Because no one has, in your mind, taken up that banner.
Does not mean they haven't, just you have never noticed it.

Has anyone taken it up? I don't recall seeing any marches, protests, legislation or any of the other usual trappings.

[Gatefan1976]

Has anyone taken it up? I don't recall seeing any marches, protests, legislation or any of the other usual trappings.

You -do- realise that marching for women, blacks, gay's, bi's, chicks with dicks or dicks with slits, and whatever has no damn "are you good looking" bias, right?

Are you looking for a specialist group?

[Annoyed]

No, I'm just asking a very difficult question. I don't think you can deny that being ugly or just not being a "hottie" is a decided disadvantage in many career fields, and far more so for women than men. They are being discriminated against in employment among other things.

Why is that discrimination ok; no body is protesting about it or demanding change?