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[jelgate]

You're changing the subject again. I suspect because you don't have any proof

[Annoyed]

unless polygamy's legal how is this a big loophole?

Simple. Citizen is living in the country. Invites his/her spouse. Spouse is issued green card, based on family relations, bypassing the process to apply for their own green card.

Happy couple has a child. This child is a US citizen, having been born in the US. And is eligible for welfare and other benefits, without even resorting to legal chicanery. And practically speaking, this grants the green carded spouse permanent eligibility to remain in the country., and likely be eligible for benefits via the aforementioned legal chicanery.

Next, the green-carded spouse invites their long lost uncle twice removed and bunch of other relatives, who are issued cards based on family relationships. On and on it goes.

It might be possible to be more flexible once we switch to a merit-based system, rather than the current family based system, which is something Trump wants to do.

But as the laws stand now, "there's no such thing as being a little bit pregnant".

[Annoyed]

Guess whose hand was caught in the cookie jar?

Revealed: Joe Biden twice used his position as senator to intervene to boost son Hunter's lobbying

Joe Biden privately contacted the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice when he was a senior and influential U.S. senator to discuss issues that his son Hunter’s firm was being paid to lobby on, according to government records.

On at least two occasions, Biden contacted federal departments to discuss issues related to Hunter’s firm’s lobbying clients, according to records reviewed by the Washington Examiner.

Biden’s behind-the-scenes outreach illustrates how his Senate work overlapped with his son’s business interests. Biden has faced scrutiny for taking actions that were perceived to benefit his son’s work, including calling for the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor and backing policies that helped the Delaware-based credit card industry while Hunter was working for MBNA, which is headquartered in the state.

Government records show that Biden, who has always insisted he knows nothing about his son's business activities, helped Hunter's work with strategic and highly specific interventions that could have benefited his son to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars.

Think the Democrats in the House will want to impeach him?

[Gatefan1976]

Guess whose hand was caught in the cookie jar?

Revealed: Joe Biden twice used his position as senator to intervene to boost son Hunter's lobbying



Think the Democrats in the House will want to impeach him?

Are you not always saying how willing democrats are to "eat their own"?

Also, senators, reps, and private people are not impeached, they go through the normal legal process.
Sad.

[Annoyed]

Are you not always saying how willing democrats are to "eat their own"?

Also, senators, reps, and private people are not impeached, they go through the normal legal process.
Sad.

Was Biden not V.P. under Obama?

[Gatefan1976]

Is he now?
Currently, he is a private citizen.

[Annoyed]

Is he now?
Currently, he is a private citizen.

And when did he use his influence to get his kid cushy jobs?

[Gatefan1976]

And when did he use his influence to get his kid cushy jobs?

Allegedly, when he was VP. if it's true, impeachment will do nothing. You charge him as a private citizen, because that's what he is now. IF this came up when he was VP, then impeachment would be the correct path.

[Annoyed]

Allegedly, when he was VP. if it's true, impeachment will do nothing. You charge him as a private citizen, because that's what he is now. IF this came up when he was VP, then impeachment would be the correct path.

That would be a grey area. AFAIK, he retains the title for life, and he committed the offenses while VP, so the charge would be using his office for personal gain. Lawyers might argue that has to be charged as VP.

[Gatefan1976]

That would be a grey area. AFAIK, he retains the title for life, and he committed the offenses while VP, so the charge would be using his office for personal gain. Lawyers might argue that has to be charged as VP.

No, there is no grey area at all. You retain the honorific, you don't maintain anything else. When you are "former VP" or especially "Former President" you no longer have the power, or protections of that post. If that were the case, any previous president could perform whatever criminal acts they wanted, and then receive the protection of the presidency.
Lawyers can't argue JACK because impeachment is a constitutional remedy to a legal problem created by the POTUS or the VPOTUS, two positions that have the ability to act outside of the law (to a degree).
EVEN if I gave your idea any credence, the act of impeachment is to remove someone from office, not punish them via the law. What office does Biden hold?

[Annoyed]

No, there is no grey area at all. You retain the honorific, you don't maintain anything else. When you are "former VP" or especially "Former President" you no longer have the power, or protections of that post. If that were the case, any previous president could perform whatever criminal acts they wanted, and then receive the protection of the presidency.
Lawyers can't argue JACK because impeachment is a constitutional remedy to a legal problem created by the POTUS or the VPOTUS, two positions that have the ability to act outside of the law (to a degree).
EVEN if I gave your idea any credence, the act of impeachment is to remove someone from office, not punish them via the law. What office does Biden hold?

But the criminal penalties should still apply. Or are you saying that if the accusations are proven, Biden should walk?

[SoulReaver]

That would be a grey area. AFAIK, he retains the title for life, and he committed the offenses while VP, so the charge would be using his office for personal gain. Lawyers might argue that has to be charged as VP.

lol "using his office"?
how could a VP (you know someone with no real power) use his office?

the only thing he'd have going for him is bluff basically like celebrities using their name & hoping it gives them power ("yo I'm the vice President! can u do me a favour plz?")

you're comparing VP & P that's typical neocon dishonesty

[Gatefan1976]

But the criminal penalties should still apply. Or are you saying that if the accusations are proven, Biden should walk?

re-read what I wrote.

[Annoyed]

re-read what I wrote.

Ok, so he can't be impeached, he holds no office.

What should he be charged with for using his position for personal gain while he was in office? Or does he walk?
The statute of limitations would NOT have run out on this yet.

[Annoyed]

lol "using his office"?
how could a VP (you know someone with no real power) use his office?

the only thing he'd have going for him is bluff basically like celebrities using their name & hoping it gives them power ("yo I'm the vice President! can u do me a favour plz?")

you're comparing VP & P that's typical neocon dishonesty

And Biden didn't have Obama's ear?
Foreign policy is the purview of the President. So it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect action on a request. The only thing that makes it a problem is that it was for Biden's personal benefit.

Oh, by the way, since foreign relations are the business of the President, Trump would have been well within his job description to use quid pro quo to encourage Ukraine to look into Biden. But he didn't even do that, as the released transcript of the call shows.

So, you're saying that it's ok for Biden to use his influence improperly/illegally to get his kid do-nothing cushy job, but it's not ok for Trump to request that the Ukraine investigate in a completely legal matter?

TDS much?