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Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostCapitalism is not a political system, it is a potential -component- of a system, yes?
just an economic system (or lack thereof)
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostExcuse me? I know this issue is more than simple right/left, but I don't have time for details right now. But the political left in this country strongly advocates for the tyranny of the minority.
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No, its more like the majority of the population has to change its behavior because (insert some vocal minority group here) complains that they don't like it because (insert reason here).
I could spend all day listing examples, but I don't have all day.
The "war on Christmas" for one example.
Another would be "The Dukes of Hazzard" TV show from the eighties. This was doing well in re-runs on CMT and other channels until a year or two ago, some "group" decided that they were offended by the Confederate flag which was displayed on the roof of the General Lee. So of course, catering to this minority, the copyright owner ceased distribution of the show and it vanished from the airwaves. Merchandise related to the show, toy cars and such were stripped of the flag on the roof. To this day, there is an ongoing purge of statues and references to historical figures that fought for the south in the Civil war, General Lee himself, I think I heard on the radio recently.
Like I said, this plays out in so many arenas I couldn't sit here and list them all. but I hope you get the idea.
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Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostHow does Caitlin's choice to become the person she's always been inside, affect your life?
To stop hiding or be afraid to come out of the closet?
What part of your life is being affected by that?
Exactly, and yet sticking their noses in lives where it doesn't belong, spreading their opinions and judgements and telling everyone what they can or can't do with their bodies, is still very much front and center.
Having an opinion is not predicated upon having a direct interest in the subject being opined on. Nor is the ability or freedom to voice said opinions dependent on having a direct interest in the subject in question.
We're not asking you to change who you are. We're simply asking you to respect who we are as humans. We are humans -- our brain's just wired differently, literally wired differently.
Here's a question I've always had. If gender is a social construct...then how can you be born with the wrong social construct? That's like saying that I was born with the wrong language...
My ADD-brain literally has different connections than a non-ADD brain.
You know that nagging feeling you sometimes get, like something's wrong -- something's just not quite right. Compare it to that, if you like, to better understand it perhaps.
That feeling that tells you, something's out of whack but you can't put your finger on it -- and then, all of a sudden, comes that moment and you realize what you've been missing all this time. You fix the problem and all of a sudden everything's aligned.
In it's most simplistic form -- that's what it is.
I can understand this argument for sexual attraction, but for gender it just doesn't make sense to me.
It's disrespectful if you continue to refer to this person as he or she, when they are transitioned or in the process of transitioning or have made it abundantly clear to you they wish to be referred to as he or she, or any of the other pronouns (even I get confused sometimes).
Or refer to them with their old name when they have clearly chosen a new name, like Bruce Jenner instead Caitlyn Jenner, or Bradley Manning instead of Chelsea Manning.
Discrimination starts when you deny them the same rights you have, like going into the bathroom corresponding with their gender-ID. Denying them service. Harassment.
Don't get me wrong, it's offensive to the person for the same reason referring to Jelgate as "she" and sgalisa as "he" would be to them. But we do have a competing set of realities that are not compatible. Which one do you favor? Why? What would be the implications of that?
My point is that this isn't a clear cut issue, not by a long shot. It's easy for you when your reality is what it is, but not all see the world as you do.
Seems your memory has already erased the birthers wanting to see Obama's birth certificate. Mandela being jailed. Kennedy shot. Lincoln shot, Reagan shot (and lived), ... oh yeah, the worst.
You forgot George W. Bush.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostNo, its more like the majority of the population has to change its behavior because (insert some vocal minority group here) complains that they don't like it because (insert reason here).
I could spend all day listing examples, but I don't have all day.
The "war on Christmas" for one example.
Another would be "The Dukes of Hazzard" TV show from the eighties. This was doing well in re-runs on CMT and other channels until a year or two ago, some "group" decided that they were offended by the Confederate flag which was displayed on the roof of the General Lee. So of course, catering to this minority, the copyright owner ceased distribution of the show and it vanished from the airwaves. Merchandise related to the show, toy cars and such were stripped of the flag on the roof. To this day, there is an ongoing purge of statues and references to historical figures that fought for the south in the Civil war, General Lee himself, I think I heard on the radio recently.
Like I said, this plays out in so many arenas I couldn't sit here and list them all. but I hope you get the idea.
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Originally posted by aretood2 View PostIronically, that's exactly what Robert E. Lee wanted, to remove all use of CSA symbols and to have no statues or memorials relating to the CSA. Anyway, why is it a problem that traitors and slavers are removed from public displays of honor on public property? After all, no one has memorials for the S.S. in Germany nor are there any statues to Hitler...but you can hardly say that history has been denied or rewritten or something. Why honor treason and a system as barbaric as slavery?
So in the context of the "Dukes", it was perfectly used. There was no question that Boss Hogg and the govt. in general of Hazzard county in the show was as corrupt and overreaching as a $3 dollar bill.
You often see CF flags in the windows of the same pickup trucks (yes, I know, stereotype, but you get the idea) with shotguns in the gun rack in the back window. Rebellion against government overreach, in this case, government overreaching its authority in defiance of the 2nd amendment.
But because a minority group finds it offensive, the society as a whole has to shun a perfectly good symbol of rebellion?
Pretty damned good example of tyranny of the minority.
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Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostIf your spouse has any respect for you, they shouldn't. They can argue their POV, but there is reasoned argument, and there is hounding.
Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostIBut that is what the Republican establishment wants, an Oligarchy where the only thing that has a vote is money (citizens united).
Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostHow does Caitlin's choice to become the person she's always been inside, affect your life?
Originally posted by Falcon Horus View Postt's disrespectful if you continue to refer to this person as he or she, when they are transitioned or in the process of transitioning or have made it abundantly clear to you they wish to be referred to as he or she, or any of the other pronouns (even I get confused sometimes).
And since some of these people who make that claim CHANGE their idea of what they are, daily, how am i to know what the proper name is for them at that time???
Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostDiscrimination starts when you deny them the same rights you have, like going into the bathroom corresponding with their gender-ID. Denying them service. Harrasment.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostTo this day, there is an ongoing purge of statues and references to historical figures that fought for the south in the Civil war, General Lee himself, I think I heard on the radio recently.
Like I said, this plays out in so many arenas I couldn't sit here and list them all. but I hope you get the idea.
And what made me laugh, is the first 1 was removed at the dead of night, by FACE mask wearing workers. The 2nd was done by workers not only wearing those facemasks, BUT Bullet proof vests..
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Originally posted by aretood2 View Post
Here's a question I've always had. If gender is a social construct...then how can you be born with the wrong social construct? That's like saying that I was born with the wrong language...
Originally posted by aretood2 View PostExcept ADD isn't a social construct, it's a biological process, or rather a dysfunctional process?
Originally posted by aretood2 View PostAs for the use of pronouns? What if I simply don't believe that hormones and surgeries make someone a he or a she? You would be asking me to abrogate my reality in favor of yours. Is that not then, in its purist form, the same as me saying he or she despite the transition?
Originally posted by aretood2 View PostIronically, that's exactly what Robert E. Lee wanted, to remove all use of CSA symbols and to have no statues or memorials relating to the CSA. Anyway, why is it a problem that traitors and slavers are removed from public displays of honor on public property? After all, no one has memorials for the S.S. in Germany nor are there any statues to Hitler...but you can hardly say that history has been denied or rewritten or something. Why honor treason and a system as barbaric as slavery?
Its also the same as those few colleges who are wanting to ban the US flag, cause some minorities and illegal immigrant students might be offended.. BUT they care not that banning it is offensive to the MAJORITY of US citizens who's tax dollars pay for their school..
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Originally posted by garhkal View PostThey shouldn't, but i HAVE known some who were like "if you really love me, change your party to mine".. Same as i have known too many who were like "if you love me, get out of the military, NOW"..
Both sides are that way, not just republicans.
Where do the dems want to put the wealth?
Where do the Repubs want to put the wealth?
It doesn't falcon. What does, is when they push to make me celebrate it.
Since they still DNA wise Are a he (or she), how is it disprespectful to keep calling them HE?
And since some of these people who make that claim CHANGE their idea of what they are, daily, how am i to know what the proper name is for them at that time???
And isn't it equally disrespectful to the gals in that bathroom/changing room, to have to put up with a grown MAN in their restrooms, cause that man feels he's a woman that day?
Hell, new orleans has already removed 2 of the 4 great statues to southern generals it had.. to appease a small minority..
And what made me laugh, is the first 1 was removed at the dead of night, by FACE mask wearing workers. The 2nd was done by workers not only wearing those facemasks, BUT Bullet proof vests..
It might be in New Orleans, but N.O. is not the U.S.sigpicALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.A lie is just a truth that hasn't gone through conversion therapy yetThe truth isn't the truth
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Originally posted by Annoyed View PostThe symbolism means different things to different people. For me, someone born almost a 100 years after Lincoln & the civil war, the confederate flag has never meant or implied support for slavery. To me, it represents the idea of rebellion against an overactive govt., much in the same vein as Sammy Hagar's hit "I Can't Drive 55" did.
So in the context of the "Dukes", it was perfectly used. There was no question that Boss Hogg and the govt. in general of Hazzard county in the show was as corrupt and overreaching as a $3 dollar bill.
You often see CF flags in the windows of the same pickup trucks (yes, I know, stereotype, but you get the idea) with shotguns in the gun rack in the back window. Rebellion against government overreach, in this case, government overreaching its authority in defiance of the 2nd amendment.
But because a minority group finds it offensive, the society as a whole has to shun a perfectly good symbol of rebellion?
Pretty damned good example of tyranny of the minority.sigpicALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.A lie is just a truth that hasn't gone through conversion therapy yetThe truth isn't the truth
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Originally posted by Annoyed View PostThe symbolism means different things to different people. For me, someone born almost a 100 years after Lincoln & the civil war, the confederate flag has never meant or implied support for slavery. To me, it represents the idea of rebellion against an overactive govt., much in the same vein as Sammy Hagar's hit "I Can't Drive 55" did.
So in the context of the "Dukes", it was perfectly used. There was no question that Boss Hogg and the govt. in general of Hazzard county in the show was as corrupt and overreaching as a $3 dollar bill.
You often see CF flags in the windows of the same pickup trucks (yes, I know, stereotype, but you get the idea) with shotguns in the gun rack in the back window. Rebellion against government overreach, in this case, government overreaching its authority in defiance of the 2nd amendment.
These things are hard to overcome, and if you really want a symbol of rebellion against an overreaching or oppressive government, why not just use the stars and stripes?
But because a minority group finds it offensive, the society as a whole has to shun a perfectly good symbol of rebellion?
Pretty damned good example of tyranny of the minority.
Originally posted by garhkal View PostHell, new orleans has already removed 2 of the 4 great statues to southern generals it had.. to appease a small minority..
And what made me laugh, is the first 1 was removed at the dead of night, by FACE mask wearing workers. The 2nd was done by workers not only wearing those facemasks, BUT Bullet proof vests..
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostIt's your car, you do with it what you want. If that means something different (and I know there have been different meanings throughout history, Germany didn't invent that) to you, so be it. Who am I to tell you what to put on your car?
There's this thing called "morality" that one must consider as well.
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You just aren't getting it.
By the action of a minority of the population, a symbol of rebelliousness is being systematically deleted from our society. You can't buy a "General Lee" toy for your kid anymore that has the flag on the roof, as it did in the series. This was a TV series, more than 30 years ago, and people are bellyaching about it.
The symbol is being removed from society as a result of the demands of a minority.
Which was the point of this discussion, the tyranny of the minority.
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