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Originally posted by garhkal View PostI thought it was all canada's fault..!
*Revokes Garhkal's Republican card*sigpicALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.A lie is just a truth that hasn't gone through conversion therapy yetThe truth isn't the truth
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Originally posted by Ian-S View PostWould it be because nobody wanted to go to Canada so they only ended up with 47 of them, whereas Germany took in a million?
The refugee system in Canada explained.
#WelcomeRefugees: Canada resettles Syrian refugees
And then there's also this little restriction in place as far as Canada is concerned:
Canada's Syrian refugee plan limited to women, children and familiesHeightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
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Originally posted by Coco Pops View PostOK howcome it took countries like Canada 12 months to settle the refugees they took in yet in Australia it's going to take years?
Our cities are bursting because we still hold to suburbia, and our outback is just as red-necked as "the deep south". We may have the land mass of the continental US, but we don't have the arable land of it.
We like to call ourselves "the clever country", but really, there are some things we are utterly backwards in. We should be leading the field of solar power and desert reclamation, not be in a stupid backwards view of it. We could take some very, very good lessons from Israel in that regard.sigpicALL THANKS TO THE WONDERFUL CREATOR OF THIS SIG GO TO R.I.G.A lie is just a truth that hasn't gone through conversion therapy yetThe truth isn't the truth
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Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostWhere do you want to settle them here?
Our cities are bursting because we still hold to suburbia, and our outback is just as red-necked as "the deep south". We may have the land mass of the continental US, but we don't have the arable land of it.
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Originally posted by Annoyed View PostAre you saying that your own country doesn't want to let all comers in, legal or not? How about you, personally? Do you favor your nation controlling who may enter and remain? Or do you favor loose enforcement of the immigration laws in your country? Do you support illegal immigrants being able to enter and remain in your own country, without following the established laws?
Oh dear Lord.
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Originally posted by aretood2 View Post
Oh dear Lord.
If he supports his own country doing the same or similar in order to look after its own interests first, the hypocrisy ought to be pointed out.
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Maybe you should look at the Australian immigration laws before talking about them.
Immigration and Visas
Migration to Australia
Refugee and Humanitarian Programme
Illegal maritime arrivals
The Australian Government’s Operation Sovereign Borders policy to manage IMAs has not changed. Any people smuggling boat that attempts to travel to Australia illegally will be turned back. Settlement in Australia will never be an option for anyone who travels illegally by boat. The rules apply to everyone: families, children, unaccompanied children, educated and skilled.Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
Proper Stargate Rewatch -- season 10 of SG-1
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Originally posted by Gatefan1976 View PostWhere do you want to settle them here?
Our cities are bursting because we still hold to suburbia, and our outback is just as red-necked as "the deep south". We may have the land mass of the continental US, but we don't have the arable land of it.
We like to call ourselves "the clever country", but really, there are some things we are utterly backwards in. We should be leading the field of solar power and desert reclamation, not be in a stupid backwards view of it. We could take some very, very good lessons from Israel in that regard.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostAre you saying that your own country doesn't want to let all comers in, legal or not? How about you, personally? Do you favor your nation controlling who may enter and remain? Or do you favor loose enforcement of the immigration laws in your country? Do you support illegal immigrants being able to enter and remain in your own country, without following the established laws?Originally posted by Annoyed View PostHey, it's a legitimate question. As I recall, GF is very much opposed to the US controlling its borders; ejecting those who have come into the country illegally and closing the borders to prevent future entry.
If he supports his own country doing the same or similar in order to look after its own interests first, the hypocrisy ought to be pointed out.
This is the same good point that everyone else, in other parts of the world, keeps harping on against people in the USA who would prefer a complete vetting of the refugees (and the people they've associated with connections) to prevent more problems than what we've already got going on in various places, like gang violence in Chicago (Illinois), Detroit (Michigan) -- which seems to be on-going, so the news just gets ignored, and other places such as Baltimore (Maryland). If the refugees entering the USA are going to act like the ones in Sweden, France, and Germany, then yes, this situational reaction does apply.
It makes a greater impact when those same people have been placed into your own neighborhood, as anywhere else. And since my own regional towns/area have been living with this for decades, it makes it difficult on the so-called "neighborhood watch" folks if they *do* report suspicious activities (of anyone, regardless if the person reporting the suspicious behavior even remotely knows the other person by casual just seeing that person or persons suddenly change from their usual routines, and especially if something horridly bad occurs shortly after, because the behavior was not reported or dealt with by designated "official" authorities -- night or day.
Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostMaybe you should look at the Australian immigration laws before talking about them.
Refugee and Humanitarian Programme
Originally posted by Falcon HorusIllegal maritime arrivals
The Australian Government’s Operation Sovereign Borders policy to manage IMAs has not changed. Any people smuggling boat that attempts to travel to Australia illegally will be turned back. Settlement in Australia will never be an option for anyone who travels illegally by boat. The rules apply to everyone: families, children, unaccompanied children, educated and skilled.
Live in the Middle East and (generic) you MUST obey the law(s) of the Land (gov't). Live in the USA, and it's almost an issue of live however way you want, until you get caught in a domestic dispute or other issue resulting in some sort of penalty fine or face jail, and that person might still be able to "get of jail FREE card" depending on the persons judging their case. Not so much in the Middle East. Penalties are often harsh and swift, especially if (generic) you are a foreign visitor.
People entering via the Mexican borders getting smuggled into the USA, often do so at their own risk (packed in trucks without ventilation) and many sometimes die before they even set foot on USA soil. Others smuggle in thru the underground tunnels dug that apparently the drug runners built -- and no wall is big enough or deep enough to stop those folks from continuing to cross into USA territory.
Back to the political nightmare topic--
That (fence/wall) is something that Trump NEEDs to be aware of, regardless of the folly of believing in Huuuuuuuuge fences or walls. There would need to be a 2ndary and maybe a 3rd barrier of perhaps some sort of electrical forcefield to work almost totally efficiently if that were the problem. Other countries do it, so why are parts of the rest of the world being exempt, and others required to absorb the masses..?
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Originally posted by Falcon Horus View PostMaybe you should look at the Australian immigration laws before talking about them.
Immigration and Visas
Migration to Australia
Refugee and Humanitarian Programme
Illegal maritime arrivals
The Australian Government’s Operation Sovereign Borders policy to manage IMAs has not changed. Any people smuggling boat that attempts to travel to Australia illegally will be turned back. Settlement in Australia will never be an option for anyone who travels illegally by boat. The rules apply to everyone: families, children, unaccompanied children, educated and skilled.
This is the attitude that I would like to see the U.S. take, and that GF seems to oppose for the US. This makes his comments somewhat hypocritical at best, particularly if he agrees with his own government's stance when it comes to his nation.
If allowing whomever wants to come in free access/amnesty is good for the US, it ought to be good for his country, too.
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Originally posted by SGalisa View PostPeople entering via the Mexican borders getting smuggled into the USA, often do so at their own risk (packed in trucks without ventilation) and many sometimes die before they even set foot on USA soil. Others smuggle in thru the underground tunnels dug that apparently the drug runners built -- and no wall is big enough or deep enough to stop those folks from continuing to cross into USA territory.
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Originally posted by SGalisa View PostPeople entering via the Mexican borders getting smuggled into the USA, often do so at their own risk (packed in trucks without ventilation) and many sometimes die before they even set foot on USA soil.
Hiding in trucks is a trick used just about everywhere. And they know they can die in there, on the container they just crawled into.
Originally posted by Annoyed View PostThe section you cite seems to indicate that Australia takes a zero tolerance approach towards illegals. What does it matter if they arrive by boat or sneaking across the border in a truck or in the dead of the night ?
This is the attitude that I would like to see the U.S. take, and that GF seems to oppose for the US. This makes his comments somewhat hypocritical at best, particularly if he agrees with his own government's stance when it comes to his nation.
If allowing whomever wants to come in free access/amnesty is good for the US, it ought to be good for his country, too.
Nevertheless, Australia has been called out on their harsh policies against boatpeople in particular.
As far as legal immigration goes -- everybody knows it's damn near impossible to migrate to Australia.Heightmeyer's Lemming -- still the coolest Lemming of the forum
Proper Stargate Rewatch -- season 10 of SG-1
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