The Political Discussion Thread

[Gatefan1976]

So, what do people think of Michelle Melania's speech...........

[Annoyed]

I wouldn't be shocked to see it being close to 45% of your overall paychecks..

It's not.
It's less than that.

I don't know where you are, garhkal, but we are already at or over 45%. "Tax Freedom Day" is May 11th this year for NY state. Every dime you earn between Jan 1st and May 11th goes to pay taxes of one sort or another. I'm not going to bother with the math, but it's likely 45% or above. 3 weeks shy of 50%.

[Gatefan1976]

I don't know where you are, garhkal, but we are already at or over 45%. "Tax Freedom Day" is May 11th this year for NY state. Every dime you earn between Jan 1st and May 11th goes to pay taxes of one sort or another. I'm not going to bother with the math, but it's likely 45% or above. 3 weeks shy of 50%.

Ummm.............
https://www.tax.ny.gov/pit/file/tax_tables.htm
What are classifying as "tax" here? Sales tax, ok, what else?

[Annoyed]

All taxes. Income, property taxes, whatever.

http://taxfoundation.org/state-tax-climate/new-york

Tax Freedom Day Arrives on May 11th in New York

Tax Freedom Day is the day when Americans have finally earned enough money to pay off their total tax bill for the year. In 2016, New York taxpayers have to work until May 11th (48th earliest nationally) to pay their total tax bill.

[Gatefan1976]

Hmmm, interesting, thank you.

[aretood2]

And people whine over here about voter ID laws.. They would absolutely hate that way..

Personally, there are two issues. One, the barriers to getting ID's can exclude some. If that is taken cared of then that's one out of two.

Secondly, it doesn't stop fraud. That's the point of my previous post on the matter.

Third, though just a food for thought part, is it needed? Voter Fraud accounts for so few votes that it has zero chance of affecting the election. The fraud that we got is in regards to counting the votes, not submitting the votes (Of which Mexico has had in the past too).

Beyond that, I'm personally not opposed to ID's.

Edit: Forgot to type "not"...

How is being courteous and following orders as given, acting like a submissive slave??

When it comes to dealing with a normal police officer? No. But when it comes to dealing with the "bad apples" then yes. My dealing with the police have been that of mutual respect. "Mutual" being key. Every time they have interacted with me they have explained why they want something done or why they are doing something. They introduce themselves, use respectful language, and assume none-threatening body language. They do that at risk of their own lives, therefore I give them the due respect and courtesy.

But no American citizen forfeits their life or freedom simply because they withhold respect or courtesy. And no American citizen owes an officer any respect if they behave in a manner contrary to their obligations to respect the rights afforded to a person by the constitution and the laws of the land.

In essence, my respect and courtesy end where my rights begin. And if they don't like it, I know of some fruit trees that need to picked and farmers willing to pay a fair wage for it. If they respect my rights, I'll respect the so hard that they'll get bored and annoyed by all the respect that I'd be giving them.

I thought that stuff (dead voters still on the rolls) only happened here!

Thousands and thousands...thought that one happened more in the 80's than in the past decade or so. That's why the PRI lost the presidential elections in 2000 and 2006, they couldn't get away with it anymore.

Then pray tell what/who are they then?

If I kill you because I don't like white people, hate crime. If I kill you because you're a security guard, not hate crime. That's just the law, don't take its title too literally.

I thought that stuff was proven bunk rumors..

This would be the first I hear of it.

Do what i am doing now.. Raising awareness that they have served their purpose and need to go.

No, I mean what are you doing to change the way people think. Those organizations aren't going away until the way people think about race changes.

Well lets see. Where does voting come in oh yea, its first mention is in the 14th amendment. Where as gun ownership comes in under the 2nd amendment, one of the first 10 ratified.. Also known as the bill of rights. So to ME that should mean ITS more of a right than voting...

I wasn't agreeing with them.

Good point. Afgan was needed (which is where binladin was for a while before skipping over into Pakistan)..
Iraq, was just done for good measure to smack Saddam.

I've been following news about the current RIMPAC and noticed that an admiral was complaining about how congress is blocking the navy's efforts at downgrading the amount of oil they use for fuel in favor of greener sources...saves money and dependency on foreign oil. But he seems to think the blocks come in because some think they're doing it for environmental purposes.

Then why has it been damn near every black killed in the past 3-4 years by a white, automatically gets the press and obama saying "HATE.. RACISM"..?

The only case I can think of is Travvon Martin. I don't know what you're talking about.

So then that means that religion IS a requirement for the Potus position.

Would explain why so many seem to care if Obama is Muslim or Christian.

And that's another thing. When asked to debate, often liberals (from what i have seen) will refuse to DO so, unless THEY get their way on what's said...

*Cough* Trump *Cough*

Fut the whuk?? NYC is pooing the scrooch there..

Not sure what to think of it myself. Maybe it's limited to a few precincts? Who knows at this stage.

So, what do people think of Michelle Melania's speech...........

My favorite parts are when she started talking about ISIS. "We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"

[Gatefan1976]

All taxes. Income, property taxes, whatever.

http://taxfoundation.org/state-tax-climate/new-york

To follow up, you might find this interesting:
http://www.nyspropertytaxreform.org/the-full-answer

[Gatefan1976]

My favorite parts are when she started talking about ISIS. "We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender"

You missed a bit, defending the Island.
Or was that design to show it was not plagerised

[aretood2]

You missed a bit, defending the Island.

That was done on purpose >.>

[Gatefan1976]

That was done on purpose >.>

Hence my very quickly adjusted response.

[Coco Pops]

So, what do people think of Michelle Melania's speech...........

She did a great Steve Jobs........

"Good artists copy, great artists steal"

[Gatefan1976]

This should make you happy Annoyed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/21/us...sues.html?_r=0

[Womble]

some inconvenient truths are a nasty jab hehe. how's that for cretinism: being the first to take the bait.

You've really set yourself up for this one, yes.

Let's have a little bit more fun. What definition of "right wing" and "left wing" were you using in that statement? Try to avoid circular logic in your answer.

now pick one: an "honest look" or a look at the converts' claimed political background?
that cretins don't understand what they're dealing with & getting themselves into (no more than they understand their own political parties) doesn't change sh. it's like blue collar workers voting for Trump - or do you also think Trump will favour the common folk gullible enough to vote for him? likewise do you think Isis treat their new western converts with respect?

That's not an answer. I wasn't asking if the converts understand what they're getting into. I asked what political background makes one more likely to convert to Islam.

or do you call them "lefties" just because they tend to support immigration? (all matters of social & economic interior policy be damned. details)
"Islam does not fit the Western definitions..." ...and what does that change when judging them by western standards
but hey let's use the same inane logic & proclaim that westerners shouldn't criticize the terrorists for their actions 'cause you know, them islamists ain't evil they're just applying their own moral standards & we shouldn't be so intolerant

Okay, so I shoul've dropped the word "definitional" from my earlier statement and should've applied it more generally.

Right vs. left, my friend, is a political division specific to European secular democracies. It goes back to the sitting arrangement in the French parliament - the deputies representing the nobles, supporters of the monarchy, were on the right, the deputies representing the common people on the left. From that point on the terms evolved to the point in which the "right-wing" politics are in defense of traditional sociopoltical status quo whereas the "left-wing" politics pursue altering that status quo.

So where does Islam fit on that scale? Well, nowhere. It's a religion, not a political party. A case can be made, for the sheer fun of it, that Islam is a good deal more left-wing than right-wing, because it views itself as a revolutionary movement actively seeking to alter the world's status quo.

[Gatefan1976]

Is it a revolutionary movement though Womble?
I mean, they (those who use it to affect change) are the fundamentalists of the religion, hard core fundamentalists. You could make a case that the moderates are the ones who are attempting to change the status quo, at least of the religion.

[Womble]

Is it a revolutionary movement though Womble?
I mean, they (those who use it to affect change) are the fundamentalists of the religion, hard core fundamentalists. You could make a case that the moderates are the ones who are attempting to change the status quo, at least of the religion.

Depends if you're looking at how Islam works on the inside or how it interacts with the outside world, I guess.

Although you might remember that on the inside, revolutionary movements are always totalitarian, intolerant and fundamentalist, no matter what particular idea they are pursuing. The Communists of the 19th century claimed that they, too, wanted to restore the old ways and claimed that hunter-gatherer societies represented "primitive Communism:" that was classless, egalitarian and based on shared ownership of means of production / tools.

“Nonconformists travel as a rule in bunches. You rarely find a nonconformist who goes it alone. And woe to him inside a nonconformist clique who does not conform with nonconformity.” - Eric Hoffer.

As for moderates in Islam, I'm still waiting for someone to point out an actual Islamic movement for moderation, as opposed to isolated cases of Westernized individuals.