The Political Discussion Thread

[Annoyed]

Is it factless conspiracy theory time again?

Someone get the popcorn. I find the ignorance hilarious

It's good to be able to laugh at one's self.

[SoulReaver]

Oh, I'm pretty sure science existed in the 1970's/1980's.

And if they can't even understand it,

they understand it a hellofa lot more than you

medical science doesn't fully understand the human body either does this mean you'd have your plumber give you an appendectomy because doctors have made mistakes?

what business do they have wanting us to completely disrupt our economy?

if they're right which they most likely are then the repercussions of not doing anything will also have catastrophic repercussions (economic & then some)

ever heard of the precautionary principle?

[jelgate]

It's good to be able to laugh at one's self.

It can be. This is not one of those times. Please go on with your lack of evidence claims so I can laugh some more

[SGalisa]

Specially highlighted below info in quotes for reasons that will be obviously noted later...

Oh, I'm pretty sure science existed in the 1970's/1980's.

And if they can't even understand it, what business do they have wanting us to completely disrupt our economy?

Oh, and btw, that is the real goal behind all their efforts. It has nothing to do with the environment.
Haven't you noticed all the other socialist crap the Kindergartner has in her "green new deal"? That's not about the environment either, it's all about converting the US to a socialist paradise. The environmental crap is just the sugar on the pill to get people to swallow it.

Found the evidence...! Reinforcement of this socialist paradise *theory* is noted in the details on this *socialist* stuff below from the ACTUAL bill...

No CNN, Fox News, The Hill, NPR, or other news outlet needed to explain this. See bill #H.Res.109 in all of its *GREEN DEAL glory*.

Is it factless conspiracy theory time again?

Someone get the popcorn. I find the ignorance hilarious

Really...? ...maybe all of (generic) you *conspiracy* complainer believers should read the bill. Then determine if it is simply environmental GREENHOUSE emissions issues or something much deeper (and thus more involved)...

Here is the actual proposed Green New Deal details.
Text in verbatim is at link. Has 89 CoSponsors.
"Text to H.Res.109 - Recognizing the duty of the Federal Government to create a Green New Deal."
OMG!!!...gotta love the TEXT stuff in the spoiler quote below, too!

Spoiler:

(bill #H.Res.109......Text excerpt)

. . .
Whereas the House of Representatives recognizes that a new national, social, industrial, and economic mobilization on a scale not seen since World War II and the New Deal era is a historic opportunity—
. . .
Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that—

(1) it is the duty of the Federal Government to create a Green New Deal—

(A) to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions through a fair and just transition for all communities and workers;

(B) to create millions of good, high-wage jobs and ensure prosperity and economic security for all people of the United States;

(C) to invest in the infrastructure and industry of the United States to sustainably meet the challenges of the 21st century;

(D) to secure for all people of the United States for generations to come—

(i) clean air and water;

(ii) climate and community resiliency;

(iii) healthy food;

(iv) access to nature; and

(v) a sustainable environment; and

(E) to promote justice and equity by stopping current, preventing future, and repairing historic oppression of indigenous peoples, communities of color, migrant communities, deindustrialized communities, depopulated rural communities, the poor, low-income workers, women, the elderly, the unhoused, people with disabilities, and youth (referred to in this resolution as "frontline and vulnerable communities");
. . .

Is that the conspiracy? Paragraph (E) to supposedly equally "socialize" the geographical and gender/ancestral gap?
Say whaaaaaaaaaat?!!!

Also, bill #H.Res.109 has 11 committees* (as noted below)
* House Energy and Commerce---02/07/2019
* House Science, Space, and Technology---02/07/2019
* House Education and Labor---02/07/2019
* House Transportation and Infrastructure---02/07/2019
---Subcommittee on Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation...02/08/2019
---Subcommittee on Economic Development, Public Buildings, and Emergency Management...02/08/2019
---Subcommittee on Highways and Transit...02/08/2019
---Subcommittee on Railroads, Pipelines, and Hazardous Materials...02/08/2019
---Subcommittee on Water Resources and Environment...02/08/2019
* House Agriculture---02/07/2019
* House Natural Resources---02/07/2019
---Subcommittee on National Parks, Forests, and Public Lands...02/12/2019
---Subcommittee on Water, Oceans, and Wildlife...02/12/2019...02/12/2019
---Subcommittee on Energy and Mineral Resources...02/12/2019
* House Foreign Affairs---02/07/2019
* House Financial Services---02/07/2019
* House Judiciary---02/07/2019
* House Ways and Means---02/07/2019
* House Oversight and Reform---02/07/2019

Why is the "House Foreign Affairs" involved as a committee on this GREEN DEAL? What do other countries / foreign affairs have to do with our USA reduction of *greening* our energy and technology landscapes? ...Especially since net-ZERO emissions to fulfill our energy needs is being explored in vast detail here...

Current summary (as of 03/08/2019) is at different link but reads as noted here--

Summary of H.Res.109 - Recognizing the duty of the Federal Government to create a Green New Deal.

Shown Here:
Introduced in House (02/07/2019)

This resolution calls for the creation of a Green New Deal with the goals of

* achieving net-zero greenhouse gas emissions;
* establishing millions of high-wage jobs and ensuring economic security for all;
* investing in infrastructure and industry;
* securing clean air and water, climate and community resiliency, healthy food, access to nature, and a sustainable environment for all; and
* promoting justice and equality.

The resolution calls for accomplishment of these goals through a 10-year national mobilization effort. The resolution also enumerates the goals and projects of the mobilization effort, including

* building smart power grids (i.e., power grids that enable customers to reduce their power use during peak demand periods);
* upgrading all existing buildings and constructing new buildings to achieve maximum energy and water efficiency;
* removing pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation and agricultural sectors;
* cleaning up existing hazardous waste and abandoned sites;
* ensuring businesspersons are free from unfair competition; and
* providing higher education, high-quality health care, and affordable, safe, and adequate housing to all.

NOTE the bold/highlighted font portions.
"* promoting justice and equality."
Really??!

And this little ditty..
"* ensuring businesspersons are free from unfair competition; and
* providing higher education, high-quality health care, and affordable, safe, and adequate housing to all."

There is NO conspiracy in the above... The info in this GREEN DEAL bill is stated verbatim (at www.congress.gov), which will become LAW if this bill passes all the way thru. It speaks for itself.


(Generic) You (demoncratic supporters world-wide) *conspiracy* mongers need to get educated on this, because you are perpetuating in helping this bill get processed AS IS. Therefore, when TSHTF, the end results will be on your watch/shoulders because you all encouraged it into LAW.

The rest of us (opposed to certain details within the bill), won't feel sorry for you who allowed this bill to BECOME LAW. You all are making this bed possible...so lay in it and don't ever complain again. The warnings have been stated over and over about what is potentially WRONG with
"achieving net-zero greenhouse gas emissions"..
ESPECIALLY if the technology fails to fulfill with adequate speed for getting to work in timely (short travel time) manner with enough spare time to obtain quality family/at HOME/leisure time, then the technologies suggested and activated will ultimately cause more headaches and problems than this (New) GREEN DEAL is worth.

So much for faster, better service and work efficiency for all...

NOTE expected goal time---paragraph "(4)(B) net-zero global emissions by 2050"

hmmm...maybe us older folks will be dead by then, so the next generation will have to deal with this AND support/pay for it from their own taxes, etc...!

[Annoyed]

How's that socialism working out?
This apparently aired on PBS..

Short version

Full version for those with obscene amounts of free time:

http://www.freetochoose.tv/program.php?id=sweden

It doesn't work, Bernie. It doesn't work, Kindergartner.

[SoulReaver]

How's that socialism working out?
This apparently aired on PBS..

Short version

Full version for those with obscene amounts of free time:

http://www.freetochoose.tv/program.php?id=sweden

It doesn't work, Bernie. It doesn't work, Kindergartner.

TLDR

but merica's such a great 'capitalist success' right?

[jelgate]

Of course. Trump is saving the country and world. Everything else is fake news

[Annoyed]

TLDR

but merica's such a great 'capitalist success' right?

Who is ahead of us?

[epg20]

i remember seeing the video from inside of the house that trump tried to buy but failed to force the woman who lived in it to sell the house she had lived in for 35 years, I don't know if the video still exists, but I can't forget about what I saw, they strung a net over her house, to keep debris from falling on it, it showed debris falling in front of it on the streets, seeing this was all I needed to know about the Donald. if you want to read more about it follow the links.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Coking


https://www.google.com/search?q=hous...=1552156087255

[Annoyed]

i remember seeing the video from inside of the house that trump tried to buy but failed to force the woman who lived in it to sell the house she had lived in for 35 years, I don't know if the video still exists, but I can't forget about what I saw, they strung a net over her house, to keep debris from falling on it, it showed debris falling in front of it on the streets, seeing this was all I needed to know about the Donald. if you want to read more about it follow the links.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Coking


https://www.google.com/search?q=hous...=1552156087255

Good for her! Eminent domain is meant to take land for PUBLIC use, not private.

For an example of the decision going the other way, see SCOTUS case "Kelo vs New London".

[epg20]

Good for her! Eminent domain is meant to take land for PUBLIC use, not private.

For an example of the decision going the other way, see SCOTUS case "Kelo vs New London".

don't really need to, got plenty of that here in florida.

[Chaka-Z0]

Good for her! Eminent domain is meant to take land for PUBLIC use, not private.

For an example of the decision going the other way, see SCOTUS case "Kelo vs New London".

Talking about public use, here's a good example of public use of funds.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...deral-agencies

[Annoyed]

don't really need to, got plenty of that here in florida.

Before or since 2005? (The year Kelo was decided)

[jelgate]

Talking about public use, here's a good example of public use of funds.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...deral-agencies

Everyone knows the law doesn't apply to Trump. Look at the laws he ignores

[SoulReaver]

Who is ahead of us?

'us' or 'US'?