The Political Discussion Thread

[Annoyed]

Even though it causes significant impacts to the cost of living for all US islands (Puerto Rico, Hawaii, and the US Virgin Islands mainly)?

Protectionism will tend to push prices higher wherever it is employed as companies can no longer outsource labor to low-wage countries. But I believe the benefits, such as increased domestic employment, upward pressure on domestic wages and such more than offset the price increases.

[garhkal]

It comes forth from an athropological viewpoint that a society has to protect the most vulnerable in their midst, and in every tribe, community and society, children are considered the weakest and are also the future of the tribe, community or society. Without children you die out.

BUT it also in effect, says men are expendable..

Note: holding the door for a woman to exit first, is not considered very chivalrous as you neglected to check whether it's save for her to leave. A misconception of the gentleman-ways.

That is true. And i have had women ***** me out for doing so before..

If you are offended that women and/or children get preferential treatment in anything, you only have your fellow men to blame for that. You literally created that whole thing yourself.

Maybe i am just tired of single men (especially, but men in general) getting the short end of the stick these days..

[Annoyed]

BUT it also in effect, says men are expendable..

This chivalry argument as far as "women and children get the first out" is a non-starter as far as I can see.
It's a survival of the species kind of thing. Although it takes two to tango, in a species threatening disaster, men are more expendable.
Suppose something happens which drastically reduces the number of humans. A single male can impregnate a number of women per day, and then move on to the next batch the next day. A female on the other hand, once impregnated, is out of the game for at least 9 months. So in order to replenish the numbers of a stricken group of humans as quickly as possible, you need far more women than you do men.

[Amara D'Angeli]

Maybe i am just tired of single men (especially, but men in general) getting the short end of the stick these days..

You know, I actually responded to this statement two different ways before I found myself so flummoxed by your statement that I had to ask for some supporting data. How are (single) men (especially) getting the short end of the stick these days?

[garhkal]

How many single dads you know?
How many men you know work in day cares/as child minders? None cause society sees them as creeps and thus makes it hard as hell if not impossible.
Men used to have male only gyms, women had theirs.. MEN got sued to make their gyms co-ed or shut down. WOemn still have their women only gyms..
Practically EVERY BAR Has a womens night (ladies night). NEVER ONCE seen a mens night.

Divorce, the man is 95% of the time getting screwed over..

[Falcon Horus]

BUT it also in effect, says men are expendable.

Everyone's expendable, not just the male species, or collateral damage at some point if we're really that unlucky.

Annoyed's explanation is a bit creepy to say the least, but he neglects to add inbreeding of the species if only one male has to impregnate 10 women. This will ultimately still lead to death of the species.

Patriarchal societies, which most of modern day societies have evolved from deem the male sex the stronger sex and it's up to them to look out for the weaker sex -- you only have the male species to blame for the viewpoints as such.

I found an opinion piece that shows an interesting view on the patriarchal society and how it affects men:

6 Ways The Patriarchy Is Harmful To Men, Because Feminism Isn't Just For Women

Maybe i am just tired of single men (especially, but men in general) getting the short end of the stick these days..

Not just single men... single people in general get the short end of the stick...

How many single dads you know?

I only have one friend with kids and she's in a civil partnership.

How many men you know work in day cares/as child minders? None cause society sees them as creeps and thus makes it hard as hell if not impossible.

Several in fact -- kindergarten teachers and day care employees.

Practically EVERY BAR Has a womens night (ladies night). NEVER ONCE seen a mens night.

Which we have gone over and already explained that technically speaking that is discrimination and therefore illegal. If it's not enforced, that's not something we can help.

Divorce, the man is 95% of the time getting screwed over..

This is true, even though a shift is taking place.
BUT see article above -- this too is a result of the patriarchal society.

[Annoyed]

Annoyed's explanation is a bit creepy to say the least, but he neglects to add inbreeding of the species if only one male has to impregnate 10 women. This will ultimately still lead to death of the species.

Creepy, eh? Well, just about any event that could threaten the existence of the species (or isolated sub-group) would be a bit scary.

I didn't forget about the inbreeding issue. I just was looking at replenishing the numbers as fast as possible. Certainly, there will be defectives, but over time, they will weed themselves out again.

[Gatefan1976]

Creepy, eh? Well, just about any event that could threaten the existence of the species (or isolated sub-group) would be a bit scary.

I am not sure I believe you think that.

I didn't forget about the inbreeding issue. I just was looking at replenishing the numbers as fast as possible. Certainly, there will be defectives, but over time, they will weed themselves out again.

Actually, no they won't. There is a minimum threshold of diverse genetic material required to actually -rebuild- the race, and last time I read something about it, it was 38 men and women. Anything less and the genetic replication errors will still create terminal results for the species.

[garhkal]

Annoyed's explanation is a bit creepy to say the least, but he neglects to add inbreeding of the species if only one male has to impregnate 10 women. This will ultimately still lead to death of the species.

Which is why scientists have long been working on the lowst # of viable pairings to keep the 'gene pool' from getting corrupted from in breeding...

I found an opinion piece that shows an interesting view on the patriarchal society and how it affects men:

6 Ways The Patriarchy Is Harmful To Men, Because Feminism Isn't Just For Women

Nice link, and that was rather eye opening..

Not just single men... single people in general get the short end of the stick...

True, Single people as a whole get the short end of the stick in a lot of things.. BUT society often sees single mothers as still more than single fathers are..

Several in fact -- kindergarten teachers and day care employees.

Maybe its diffferent cultures.. Cause every day care i've known someone at (or kindergarten) they have all said "we would never hire a man,, How creapy"..

This is true, even though a shift is taking place.

Maybe a shift is slowly coming around.. BUT its not enough.

[Annoyed]

Originally Posted by Annoyed
Creepy, eh? Well, just about any event that could threaten the existence of the species (or isolated sub-group) would be a bit scary.

I am not sure I believe you think that.

What, you think I want the Apocalypse?

[Gatefan1976]

What, you think I want the Apocalypse?

No, I just don't think you care all that much about -some- isolated sub groups.

[aretood2]

I get it, but do you?

You may recall, I favor protectionism of US industry, and that is indeed my primary concern with objections to the temporary waiver being rescinded. Those who favor "free trade" think they have a foot in the door towards repealing the law altogether. Sorry, I'd rather slam the door shut on that foot.

That'd be nice, if it ever worked like that. But it has never done that in the past. It failed in Venezuela. It failed in Argentina. It failed here in the US before and during the great depression (Protectionism actually made things worse). On the other hand, we have seen free trade work, because it is an extension of capitalism. If wages don't grow, prices still fall, so workers' wages end up going further.

Your populist path will lead to less choices, lower quality products, higher prices and shortages. And assuming that wages somehow increase, which they won't because economics doesn't work that way, those increased wages would be eaten by the resulting inflation.

In any event, the issue is Puerto Rico, and how Trump wants to "pull out" like if it is a foreign country and not American Soil. Why is he so reluctant to help out versus helping Texas and Florida? Oh wait...could it be a race thing?

[thekillman]

Oh wait...could it be a race thing?

He probably doesn't have any hotels or casinos or fake universities on PR.

[Falcon Horus]

I didn't forget about the inbreeding issue. I just was looking at replenishing the numbers as fast as possible. Certainly, there will be defectives, but over time, they will weed themselves out again.

But time is still a problem, since you said it yourself women are pregnant for a period of 9 months give or take, if there are no complications and the foetus dies prematuraly or the offspring is born prematuraly. They are also not immediately back for another round of action.

And... let's not forget the aspect of forcing a man onto women who might not want this action taking place -- either side.

Actually, no they won't. There is a minimum threshold of diverse genetic material required to actually -rebuild- the race, and last time I read something about it, it was 38 men and women. Anything less and the genetic replication errors will still create terminal results for the species.

It should have been 42 -- it's the answer to everything. I'm disappointed.

True, Single people as a whole get the short end of the stick in a lot of things.. BUT society often sees single mothers as still more than single fathers are..

You should see me grumble when I have to work on a letter for the company I work for with regards to child benefits, which are always paid to the mother of the child, unless otherwise arranged through either court orders or mutual agreement among the parents.

[aretood2]

You should see me grumble when I have to work on a letter for the company I work for with regards to child benefits, which are always paid to the mother of the child, unless otherwise arranged through either court orders or mutual agreement among the parents.

Why not paid to both?