Replicators in the star trek universe

[thekillman]

a few nanites in a borg and he's under replicontrol.

[Buba uognarf]

a few nanites in a borg and he's under replicontrol.

You have no grasp of the Borg at all. Replicator nanites struggle with human immune systems, Borg nanoprobes are designed to conquer all manner of immune systems. Borg nanoprobes would intercept those replicator nanites and destroy them, on the other hand Borg nanoprobes would destroy replicator nanites based on their inability to take over Doctor Weir.

Nanoprobes can also be deployed in torpedoes and using solar system affecting super weapons which spread nanoprobes over 5ly's (obviously using some method of FTL dispersion).

[thekillman]

and the same nanites survive massive explosions and you need to literally fuse the material they're made of to defeat them. nanoprobes wont do a thing to nanites.

weir had organic nanites in her. and besides, the immune system might only be able to surpress the affection of human cells.

[locutes]

a few nanoprobes in a human form repli and that one's borg. A few nanos in a repli ship, and its under borg control

[Buba uognarf]

and the same nanites survive massive explosions and you need to literally fuse the material they're made of to defeat them. nanoprobes wont do a thing to nanites.

weir had organic nanites in her. and besides, the immune system might only be able to surpress the affection of human cells.

Borg nanoprobes survive massive explosions too. Not all the nanites were organic, Borg nanoprobes can replicate into other nanoprobes without having to use the bodies organic materials. If replicator nanites can't then thats another way Borg nanoprobes are superior.

[thekillman]

first off we dont know how many repli nanites there were in her body. secondly, assuming they were all needed to produce more, which is not beyond normal, the immune system could simply have attacked the formed organic nanites.


how did they cure her again? never saw the eppy, only know roughly what happened.


Nanites can only be DESTROYED by fusion the neutronium together on a subatomic level.

[Buba uognarf]

first off we dont know how many repli nanites there were in her body. secondly, assuming they were all needed to produce more, which is not beyond normal, the immune system could simply have attacked the formed organic nanites.


how did they cure her again? never saw the eppy, only know roughly what happened.


Nanites can only be DESTROYED by fusion the neutronium together on a subatomic level.

There were nanites spread throughout her body, tons of them replicating. Like I said Borg nanoprobes replicate inside the body and are nigh unstoppable taking effect in minutes, they have the replicator nanites beat.

She was cured by her own will power if I remember, the nanites needed her to subconsciously stop resisting (ridiculous I know). Borg nanoprobes modified to attack replicators nanites would rip them apart. Thats not to say replicator nanites can't do things Borg ones can't but I do believe Borg nanoprobes would be an effective weapon against the Replicators.

[thekillman]

ill just look it up, first im gonna eat something

[locutes]

It can also be that the borg and the replies cancel eachother out.

they can also merge by means of both nanites and nanoprobes. They both are meant to replicate and take over

[Buba uognarf]

It can also be that the borg and the replies cancel eachother out.

they can also merge by means of both nanites and nanoprobes. They both are meant to replicate and take over

The personality of the Borg especially the Queen will mean that the Borg don't join the replicators. I can see the Borg assimilating the method by which the Replicators communicate maybe that could be used against them?

[Daryl Froggy]

Asuran nanites are unable to defeat Dr Weir's immune system, modified Borg nanoprobes would eat them alive.

I was unaware that we were talking about the Asurans. I thought we were talking about the Replicators, sure they technically fall under that category but they are not nearly as resilient as other Replicators.

Now those that this thread is about, the Replicators or the Milky Way Replicators, are far more resilient and if given the slightest knowledge of how to defeat their enemy they can and will use that knowledge and build upon it far faster than most would believe. Also in most cases they do not need to adapt to the energy being fired at them they will just absorb it without stopping and by the time you try and adjust the frequency you will most likely be dead or dieing.

[Buba uognarf]

I was unaware that we were talking about the Asurans. I thought we were talking about the Replicators, sure they technically fall under that category but they are not nearly as resilient as other Replicators.

Now those that this thread is about, the Replicators or the Milky Way Replicators, are far more resilient and if given the slightest knowledge of how to defeat their enemy they can and will use that knowledge and build upon it far faster than most would believe. Also in most cases they do not need to adapt to the energy being fired at them they will just absorb it without stopping and by the time you try and adjust the frequency you will most likely be dead or dieing.

Borg nanoprobes would probably be effective against the block replicators as well IMO.

[thekillman]

actually buba you were wrong

INT—ATLANTIS INFIRMARY
[Weir lies unconscious, an oxygen cannulas over her nose as a green grid of light scans over her. Medical personnel in hazmat gear are near her while McKay, Beckett, and others work outside. Sheppard approaches the edge of the plastic isolation chamber and looks inside.]
SHEPPARD
What've you got, Doc?
BECKETT
It's gettin' worse. It's not just her brain anymore. They're spreading throughout her body. We're losing her.
[A computer scanner shows a human figure. Red dots appear throughout the body, mostly concentrated at her head and spine. Teyla and Ronon look at the display.]
TEYLA
Those are all nanites?
BECKETT
Aye. They've spread throughout her entire body.
RONON
How'd they get inside her?
MCKAY
Niam.
FLASHBACK
[In the puddle jumper, Niam turns and begins to choke Weir. The others try and pull him away.]
MCKAY
(voiceover)
When he attacked her in the puddle jumper.
END FLASHBACK
MCKAY
In that one brief moment of contact, he managed to infect her with nanites that began replicating immediately. Now they're multiplying exponentially. Consuming her.
SHEPPARD
How much time does she have?
BECKETT
I don't think their intention's to kill her. If that were the case, they could've easily done it already. I don't think there's enough of them to survive on their own. They need Elizabeth's body as raw material.
MCKAY
So they're attempting to assimilate her? To transform her into one of them?
BECKETT
(nodding)
Until they can reach sufficient numbers to form a viable independent entity, I would say so, yes.
TEYLA
And this is how they replicate?
BECKETT
I doubt it's their normal way. It may well be a last-ditch attempt to survive.
RONON
How do we stop them?
SHEPPARD
EMP. Maybe we can hit 'em with the electromagnetic pulse like we did last time.
BECKETT
I'm afraid we're well beyond that possibility now, Colonel. Looking at her scan, the nanites have literally bonded to neurons and other cells throughout her central nervous system. If we attempt to disable them, we'll likely end up killing her along with them.
TEYLA
Then, how do we help her?
BECKETT
In the petri dish, her white blood cells attack individual nanites as though they were a bacterium or a virus, quite successfully. But for some reason, inside her body, there's almost no immune response whatsoever. It's as if the nanites themselves have convinced her immune system that they pose no threat.
SHEPPARD
How do they do that?
BECKETT
I have no idea. I've begun administering drugs to help boost her immunities.
SHEPPARD
Doesn't seem to be working.
BECKETT
Not yet. I've just increased the dosage. For the moment, we're losing this battle.

[Buba uognarf]

actually buba you were wrong

Wrong about what? The nanites could kill her, that wouldn't be hard. Weir's body was able to resist the nanites, you can't resist nanoprobes.

In the petri dish, her white blood cells attack individual nanites as though they were a bacterium or a virus, quite successfully. But for some reason, inside her body, there's almost no immune response whatsoever. It's as if the nanites themselves have convinced her immune system that they pose no threat.

Nanoprobes would easily destroy the nanites.

[Daryl Froggy]

Borg nanoprobes would probably be effective against the block replicators as well IMO.

... right...

I don't know that much about the Borg but when was the last time you heard of Borg nanoprobes effecting something on a subatomic level? Because that is what they would have to do if they were to effect replicator blocks at all. Not to mention that they would have to burrow through some pretty tough materials before they got to that point.