Replicators in the star trek universe

[thekillman]

well its that the asgard were mysterious but they had a face. the ancients were faceless and mystical for their stargate. yet it was implied that though they differed in technology, knowledge and ideas (Asgard beaming, high speed hyperdrives, and energy weapon specialisation, Ancients wormhole physics, ring technology, and energy shield technology(at first), and Nox being cloakers and phasers, healers and (seemingly) teleporters.)

then the Asgard more and more became known, revealling their power, the nox were peacefull, the furlings a plotdevice, and then the ancients just had to become their little plot generator. though they were indeed implied to be the "best of the four", it was also implied they were more or less equal. then the BS of asgard being a few hundred thousand years and ancients over 50 million years (which is ridiculously long), which started to ruin it all. the drone VS APBW is fine with me. i compare it like a railgun to a nuclear missile. arctic weapon: extremely powerfull but thats by its nature. yet the writers were just more and more ubering them. from insta genetic change to life destroyers. from superhealers to ascended killers (though it really was ascended tech). to make it worse, ancient transport obelisk, then even worse with atlantis superfast, and the whole Wraith war which made the wraith look unnessecarily powerfull. IMO the replicators are far beyond the wraith in any way. the wraith are easy beaten yet the ancients lost from them using tumor devices and galactic hyperdrive killers

[Buba uognarf]

Replicators are more formidable than the Wraith because they can use anything they find to replicate. Although before season 8 they appeared to use only stolen ships not ships made of replicator blocks, they would have been beaten if thats the case. However the Replicators are vulnerable to one hit wonders like Dakara, the Wraith are not.

If the Wraith ships of the war were closer to superhives then its understandable how the Ancients were defeated.

[mickhhh]

Not all metals are magnetic.

the reps must use sum kind of advanced magnetic field cos they can make them selves out of non magnetic metals. therefore it should work against the probs.

Apples and oranges, just because they can get through Asgard shields doesn't mean they can penetrate Borg shields. The Borg are thousands of years old and have encountered/assimilated/adapted to thousands of species they may well be able to block Replicator missiles. How do you know the science ship was new? It may have been an older unseen design, its also not a warship like the O'neill. The O'neill was supposed to fight the Replicators, if couldn't do that if the Replicators could get through its shields.

i no the science ship was new cos the Oneil was the first ship to be made from that new material (cant remember its name) and the science ship seems to be made from the same material. it may not have been a war ship and its shields may not have been as powerful but they would have been the same design. the oneils shields might have protected against missiles once but the reps had many years to become much more advanced

Thats a good point about Data but then again they could assimilate the mobile emitter and various other pieces of technology. Nanoprobes could be used to just attack the replicators, not necessarily take them over.

for the nanoprobes to attack or assimilate they would have to get inside the reps how could they do that the block shells seem to be made in 1 piece so the nanoprobes cant get inside to do anything. i dont remember hearing about them eating through metal but if they can it would surely take to long. the reps would do wot they need to do before that.

Every ship the Krenim erase will change history eventually the Replicators would be reduced to one ship. They could fire at the initial planet and erase them that way.

i am sure that the reps would come up against the other Krenim ships first and if they did they would probly do wot voyager did by adapting there shields. by the time they reach the Krenim they will have assimilated many races the knowledge must be some where. i no even then they may not be able to destory the Krenim time ship but they could say away until they can destory it. even if it took a million years. but i dout it would take that long because the reps would be gaining knowledge at an incredible rate and they already have a better understanding of time than voyager.

[thekillman]

magnetic field only works on magnetic materials.


the replicators use a modulated monopolar energy field or so. see "Small Victories". no magnetics.

again, if nanoprobes are so efficient and powerfull, why hasnt the startrek universe been assimilated?

[mickhhh]

magnetic field only works on magnetic materials.


the replicators use a modulated monopolar energy field or so. see "Small Victories". no magnetics.

again, if nanoprobes are so efficient and powerfull, why hasnt the startrek universe been assimilated?

could a modulated monopolar energy field not do the same thing by keeping the nanoprobes away

[Buba uognarf]

the reps must use sum kind of advanced magnetic field cos they can make them selves out of non magnetic metals. therefore it should work against the probs.

Killmans already answered this.

i no the science ship was new cos the Oneil was the first ship to be made from that new material (cant remember its name) and the science ship seems to be made from the same material. it may not have been a war ship and its shields may not have been as powerful but they would have been the same design. the oneils shields might have protected against missiles once but the reps had many years to become much more advanced

How do you the science ship was made of that material? There's still no evidence that the reps could get through the best Asgard, Ancient and Ori shields and no evidence they could easily breach Borg shields.

for the nanoprobes to attack or assimilate they would have to get inside the reps how could they do that the block shells seem to be made in 1 piece so the nanoprobes cant get inside to do anything. i dont remember hearing about them eating through metal but if they can it would surely take to long. the reps would do wot they need to do before that.

Replicators are made of blocks which are in turn made of smaller pieces if the way they crumble when hit by ARG's is anything to go by.

i am sure that the reps would come up against the other Krenim ships first and if they did they would probly do wot voyager did by adapting there shields. by the time they reach the Krenim they will have assimilated many races the knowledge must be some where. i no even then they may not be able to destory the Krenim time ship but they could say away until they can destory it. even if it took a million years. but i dout it would take that long because the reps would be gaining knowledge at an incredible rate and they already have a better understanding of time than voyager.

Temporal shields wouldn't protect the Replicators from being directly fired upon, and I see no reason to belive the replicators could adapt their shields in that way. No other race has displayed temporal shields and who's to say the Krenim won't find the Replicators quickly? What is your basis for the assertion that Replicators understand time better? They're good with a time dilation field but that doesn't mean they could create temporal shields.

magnetic field only works on magnetic materials.


the replicators use a modulated monopolar energy field or so. see "Small Victories". no magnetics.

again, if nanoprobes are so efficient and powerfull, why hasnt the startrek universe been assimilated?

Nanoprobes appear to be a reasonably recent invention, it could also have something to do with the fact that the ST universe is far more densely populated than the SG one. Many dozens of species possess thousands vessels and high billions or even trillions of members.

[thekillman]

we dont know about the shields. but i can tell you: if the Borg send drones, then the replicators can beam one up, contain it and then extract all it knows, reverse engineer, adapt and immunize against any piece of technology on it, and then either absorb it or kill it. they might even hack into the borg collective and absorb tons of information.

drones have shields. one drone captured, and the replicators are tossing their blocks through the borg cube shields. i dont know the strenght of a drone, but a small replicator spider can keep open a blast door.

[mickhhh]

Killmans already answered this.

Killmans answered this and give a better way of defending the reps than i did. a modulated monopolar energy field should work given the reps the edge

How do you the science ship was made of that material? There's still no evidence that the reps could get through the best Asgard, Ancient and Ori shields and no evidence they could easily breach Borg shields.

i dont no for a fact but it looks the same. we did not see any before the Oneil. plus the old ships look different. why would the writers do this if they intended the ship to be older and made out of the same material. there is no evidence that they can get past the best shields in stargate but on AOT we thought the reps would destory the ori fleet so it must have been thought that they would be able to get past the shields. also theres no evidence that they can get past borg shields bet its wot the reps do. all as i can say is IMO they could.

Replicators are made of blocks which are in turn made of smaller pieces if the way they crumble when hit by ARG's is anything to go by.

each block does not crumble into smaller pieces when hit by the ARG's. the smaller pieces seem to be on the inside and by looking at them the out side is made from 1 soild piece. which this would not matter cos the modulated monopolar energy field would protect the reps

Temporal shields wouldn't protect the Replicators from being directly fired upon, and I see no reason to belive the replicators could adapt their shields in that way. No other race has displayed temporal shields and who's to say the Krenim won't find the Replicators quickly? What is your basis for the assertion that Replicators understand time better? They're good with a time dilation field but that doesn't mean they could create temporal shields.

the Krenim could not find the reps quickly cos there ships are not fast enough. first contact would likely be the reps attacking one of there battle ships when they realise the threat thy would set out to make temporal shields. i am not saying it would be fast but with there own knowledge and all of the knowledge they assimilate they should be able to do it if voyager could. it may not protect them but lyk i said all as they need to do is stay away from the time ship until they come up with some thing. the time ship could not catch the reps.

[thekillman]

remember that we have replicarter as the replicator head. both a supersmart scientist, and a soldier. she knows when to retreat, when to attack, when to defend, and when to steamroll over their enemy.


as to AOT: seemed pretty damn obvious how they would get to ori ships: ring one onboard.

[mickhhh]

remember that we have replicarter as the replicator head. both a supersmart scientist, and a soldier. she knows when to retreat, when to attack, when to defend, and when to steamroll over their enemy.


as to AOT: seemed pretty damn obvious how they would get to ori ships: ring one onboard.

ringing aboard does not aways work. i dout they were depending on that

[thekillman]

or just toss enough nanites against the shields till you figure that one out.

[thekillman]

BTW they planned on taking over the ody and then, APBW's could bring down the shields and then let replicators onboard

[mickhhh]

BTW they planned on taking over the ody and then, APBW's could bring down the shields and then let replicators onboard

that could work but i dout they would come up against just 1 ship.

[Buba uognarf]

Anyone seen the Voyager episode Think Tank? I reckon those guys could come up with a solution to the Replicators they're very, very advanced.

[locutes]

lol