Replicators in the star trek universe

[Buba uognarf]

... right...

I don't know that much about the Borg but when was the last time you heard of Borg nanoprobes effecting something on a subatomic level? Because that is what they would have to do if they were to effect replicator blocks at all. Not to mention that they would have to burrow through some pretty tough materials before they got to that point.

Replicator blocks are made of whatever materials the Replicators consumed to make them, its entirely possible for nanoprobes to eat away at Replicator blocks. If these are neutronium replicators then yeah the nanoprobes would have a hard time getting through that but if they're made of the materials in the ST universe the Borg should have no trouble. Borg assimilation tubes and technology and already bypass any known alloys e.g. the kinds the Reps would be using in the ST galaxy.

The Anti replicator gun left small chunks when it destroy the blocks bounds, I don't think the nanoprobes would have to go to the subatomic level to do something.

I'm not saying the nanoprobes would definately be effective against the blocks but with modification they're a possibility.

[thekillman]

buba, read that more carefully. in the PETRI DISH, the rest was unaffected.

besides, replicators can beam, any invading borg would be beamed away.

[Buba uognarf]

buba, read that more carefully. in the PETRI DISH, the rest was unaffected.

besides, replicators can beam, any invading borg would be beamed away.

Unaffected because Weir's immune system wasn't doing anything. Perhaps you should read it more careful?

Borg have personal shields, they can't just be beamed off ships. Nanoprobes can be disrupted as a gas or as part of a warhead or potentially as part of some FTL.

[QuantumDragon]

one thing that most people seem to be forgetting: the asurans would be dead in days. without the attack command they sat on thier asses for 10,000 years for crying out loud. without the threat of the wraith the asurans would have no defined objective. they would likely pick a planet settle it and sit there untill we found a way to deal with them.

the MW/Orilla replicators on the other hand have no such restrictions. they also dont have the organic weaknesses of the asurans. blowen into space the asurans are rendered essentialy inert fairly perminantly it took McKay recharging Liam to bring him back online. in SG-1 New order the human-form replicator came back online essentialy on his own.

another advantage to the replicators is hyper-space. at a "sustainable cruise velocity of warp 9.975" voyager would have taken 70 years to cross the MW the replicators have asgard engines and can do such in a few minutes. only the borg can come close to that rate and it takes them several hours.

a point on the side of the federation is their improvizational abilitys. one captain or another would find a weakness in the replicators probably quite by accident but less than an hour later 100% of starfleet R&D would be focused or exploiting this. a week after that all ships in the fleet would be outfitted with the new weapons, probably an adaptable version seeing as we've already come across a "race" with adaption abilitys we would be prepared for that probability.

[thekillman]

they can hide themselves from the immune system. and seeing as the borg do it for a living and the asurans did it for the first time, the next time may very well feature zero resistance.

im not willing to open the can of worms of Borg VS replicators. mostly cause it all depends on the materials available (can the replicators function without SG matter, or is trek material better? ), the tech available and the enemy resistance, aswell as the type of resistance, the power of SG tech they had versus trek races, and what not.

if borg can travel back in time, and if the borg are so powerfull, why didnt they go back in time to the point where we were in the stone age and wiped us out?

[Buba uognarf]

they can hide themselves from the immune system. and seeing as the borg do it for a living and the asurans did it for the first time, the next time may very well feature zero resistance.

im not willing to open the can of worms of Borg VS replicators. mostly cause it all depends on the materials available (can the replicators function without SG matter, or is trek material better? ), the tech available and the enemy resistance, aswell as the type of resistance, the power of SG tech they had versus trek races, and what not.

if borg can travel back in time, and if the borg are so powerfull, why didnt they go back in time to the point where we were in the stone age and wiped us out?

The Asuran nanites (possibly all replicator nanites) are vulnerable to white blood cells, that won't change overnight without some serious remodelling, Borg nanoprobes have them for breakfast.

We're not that much of a problem to the Borg, no need. Also the 29th Century Federation could make sure the Borg don't mess with the timeline, although they didn't do anything to stop what happened in the current movie. Regardless we've seen various groups in the future monitor the past, perhaps one of these prevent the Borg from travelling into the past. Or perhaps in their quest to acquire new technology its more benefitional to focus on the present.

[thekillman]

The Asuran nanites (possibly all replicator nanites) are vulnerable to white blood cells, that won't change overnight without some serious remodelling, Borg nanoprobes have them for breakfast.

the rest of the nanites was ignored as the body did not recognise them as intruders. whatever made the few nanites that were attacked recognisable as intruders could be prevented by the nanites in the future.

or just go AIDS and disable the immune system first

[Buba uognarf]

the rest of the nanites was ignored as the body did not recognise them as intruders. whatever made the few nanites that were attacked recognisable as intruders could be prevented by the nanites in the future.

or just go AIDS and disable the immune system first

They were ignored because they were invading Weir's mind, seriously watch the episode before you try and argue. Point is;

Borg nanoprobes >>>>>> White blood cells > Replinanites.

[thekillman]

finally found out why.

A Petri dish is a shallow glass or plastic cylindrical lidded dish that biologists use to culture cells. It was named after German bacteriologist Julius Richard Petri, who invented it when working as an assistant to Robert Koch. Glass Petri dishes can be re-used by sterilization (for example, dry heating in a hot air oven at 160 °C for one hour); plastic Petri dishes must be disposed of after one use.

It's as if the nanites themselves have convinced her immune system that they pose no threat.

therefore,

Replinanites > bloodcells

[Buba uognarf]

finally found out why.





therefore,

Replinanites > bloodcells

Sorry I don't know what that proves, could you explain please. From the dialogue white blood cells successfully attack nanites, the Replinanites needed Weir to subconsciously give up to beat her. When she fought back subconsciously the Replicator nanites were destroyed.

[thekillman]

first off, she was loosing. second off, the nanites were only defeated by bloodcells when in experimental circumstances. in a normal body, the white bloodcells sit on their arse and do nothing. third off, the replicators were exponentially increasing. fourth off, replicators significantly enhance their cognitive and calculative abilities when in proximity to annother replicator. a replicator infecting someone would cause assimilation much faster, mainly as the mind would have a harder time fighting.


lastly, they were asurans, who were pretty stupid anyway. MW replis are better in many ways. for example they had massive calculating capacity, could overtake superadvanced computers in seconds, humanforms in space and later retrieved reactivated in moments, niam required a human to do so, repliblocks as a whole are much more resistant to tons of things, replicators can make ships from their own components, thus can make a ship whenever they want, wherever they want. borg require assemblies.

[ykickamoocow]

People are forgeting about the deflector dish on ships in Star Trek. Those things can be modified to produce a lot of different forms of energy.

Also Carter could come up with a way to destroy the replicators so im sure that the Federation could do so as well (especially considering that it has been shown many times that the Federation can adapt to new technology very quickly).

[Buba uognarf]

first off, she was loosing. second off, the nanites were only defeated by bloodcells when in experimental circumstances. in a normal body, the white bloodcells sit on their arse and do nothing. third off, the replicators were exponentially increasing. fourth off, replicators significantly enhance their cognitive and calculative abilities when in proximity to annother replicator. a replicator infecting someone would cause assimilation much faster, mainly as the mind would have a harder time fighting.

She was losing, then she won. The replinanites needed to trick her into giving up before they could do anything and that failed they lost like instantly. There is no way to get around it, white blood cells can defeat replicator nanites, whether they can trick the mind in coma's etc...is irrelevent as they can't trick Borg nanoprobes. Borg nanoprobes FTW.

lastly, they were asurans, who were pretty stupid anyway. MW replis are better in many ways. for example they had massive calculating capacity, could overtake superadvanced computers in seconds, humanforms in space and later retrieved reactivated in moments, niam required a human to do so, repliblocks as a whole are much more resistant to tons of things, replicators can make ships from their own components, thus can make a ship whenever they want, wherever they want. borg require assemblies.

The human form replicator recovered from above the Asgard planet had been in space for hours max, Liam had been in space for months. Its not the same. Yes Replicators can make ships very fast but if the nanoprobes are effective then the Borg can assimilate them (they assimilate technology too) and they'll be able to fight the Replicators and find a way to beat them.

[thekillman]

She was losing, then she won. The replinanites needed to trick her into giving up before they could do anything and that failed they lost like instantly. There is no way to get around it, white blood cells can defeat replicator nanites, whether they can trick the mind in coma's etc...is irrelevent as they can't trick Borg nanoprobes. Borg nanoprobes FTW.

she won because sheppard aided her. however again, if other replis are near she's gonna loose as the replis then will have much more "willpower". during her struggle, replicators were happily reproducing exponentially.


buba, Weir almost instantaniously shut down when she came in space.


besides, mckay could easily fiddle with the asuran basecode, while the MW replicators wouldnt allow it. thor and carter were forced to do it with milliseconds if not less at a time, getting small amounts of info at a huge risk of replis detecting it and reactivating the nanites to full.


so MWreps >>>>>>>Asurans. fancy ancient tech does not help them.


the asuran beam was nothing more but a plasma bridge allowing the asurans to pump through energy rapidly depleting the atlantis ZPM.

[EvilSpaceAlien]

I would write a fanfic about this, but my knowledge of star trek is limited and I don't have the time.