Asgard Hyperdrive v.s. Ancient Hyperdrive..

[s09119]

The reason Thors hip made it to earth in the blink of an eye was becuase it was close to earth to begin with.. the X-303 didn't get far on an untested Goa'uld Hyperdrive.. .

The 303 was in the middle of nowhere, we don't know how far away it was from Earth. You can't go passing off speculation as fact. But if you're right, and it was only a few hundred light years from Earth (if that), then that would explain the speedy arrival... going from Atlantis to Lantea's star, after all, only takes seconds.

And the Apollo was running on its optimum power source, whatever it is. Let's not forget, Atlantis was heavily damaged, too.
[/quote] and thats why it fell out of hyperspace..
the 304's can run their Hyperspace engines at Full power with a ZPM.. they CANT with their in house power plant.. that alone suggest that the hyperdrive is designed to use A LOT more power.. like the 4 NIG's on a Belisker-class.. [/QUOTE]

Considering we know nothing about NIGs, how can you say that? Maybe the Beliskner needs more power because, I don't know... it's about 100 times the size of a 303? Of course it'll need more power, it's a massive ship!

And there's no canon proof to back up your claim that the 304s aren't running at 100%, so please stop saying that.

So yes.. the Apollo was running at full speed (maybe) of what it could do without a ZPM.. thats not the question.. the question is.. Is a Asgard Hyperdrive faster then an Ancient Hyperdrive.. and given the EMENCE! speeds we have seen from the Asgard and the SLOW speeds we have seen from the Ancients.. i say Asgard..

A ZPM just pumps more energy into the drive, like giving a car a second engine; it's going to go a hell of a lot faster. And the Ancients never needed obscenely-fast hyperdrives, so why would they put them on their warships just to let the Wraith capture and use them?

Nope they left earth LONG before they accidentally helped create the Wraith..

Lantean Commander: We are going to Pegasus.. Good by forever!
Lantean Guy: But don't worry.. if you need us we will have Atlantis back in 4 days!
Lantean Commander: Hush! you are ruining the moment!!

just wrong...

Oh... thought you meant the Expedition moving in "First Strike" haha, sorry. In this case, you're still wrong; they couldn't take Atlantis with them because there was a Wraith armada in orbit. Dozens of hive ships would overwhelm the cityshield before they could clear Lantea, no matter how many ZPMs were behind it.

[Kebab Gud]

Considering we know nothing about NIGs, how can you say that? Maybe the Beliskner needs more power because, I don't know... it's about 100 times the size of a 303? Of course it'll need more power, it's a massive ship!

And there's no canon proof to back up your claim that the 304s aren't running at 100%, so please stop saying that.

How about the fact that as soon as they plug in a ZPM they shave 2 weeks of their trip.. and thats the same speed as the asgard ships themself.. and that THEY ARE ASGARD ENGINES!

Also.. One NIG produce 1 Billion Kj

A ZPM just pumps more energy into the drive, like giving a car a second engine; it's going to go a hell of a lot faster. And the Ancients never needed obscenely-fast hyperdrives, so why would they put them on their warships just to let the Wraith capture and use them?

If you give a car a second Engine its going to blow up.. unless you do a proper job then its going to have a lot more power.. but not be faster.. just A LOT more Torque... anyway..
the Ancient never cared about Earth back then.. because the Wraith didn't care about Earth..so why they didn't put a Proper Hyperdrive in their ships.. you have to ask them..

Oh... thought you meant the Expedition moving in "First Strike" haha, sorry. In this case, you're still wrong; they couldn't take Atlantis with them because there was a Wraith armada in orbit. Dozens of hive ships would overwhelm the cityshield before they could clear Lantea, no matter how many ZPMs were behind it.

I never said anything about taking atlantis away then it was under siege.. but they Left the milkyway like it was a long road ahead.. but only 4 days away is not that ... scary..


Also the Atlantis City shield was bombarded from space for a 100 years.. if they wanted to they could have left..
the City shield was the most powerful thing they ever made..

[s09119]

How about the fact that as soon as they plug in a ZPM they shave 2 weeks of their trip.. and thats the same speed as the asgard ships themself.. and that THEY ARE ASGARD ENGINES!

Also.. One NIG produce 1 Billion Kj

So? A ZPM has been shown to boost the efficiency of anything it's plugged into.

the Ancient never cared about Earth back then.. because the Wraith didn't care about Earth..so why they didn't put a Proper Hyperdrive in their ships.. you have to ask them..

Huh?

I never said anything about taking atlantis away then it was under siege.. but they Left the milkyway like it was a long road ahead.. but only 4 days away is not that ... scary..

Sorry, you're wording is just confusing me a bit I guess.

And so what? It was never made to be a scary journey as far as we know, the Ancients just wanted to flee to a galaxy where a plague wasn't wiping them out, that's all. Earth was only a stargate hop away at any given time anyway, so it wouldn't have been scary regardless.

Also the Atlantis City shield was bombarded from space for a 100 years.. if they wanted to they could have left..
the City shield was the most powerful thing they ever made..

No, the war went on for 100 years. The city itself only came under fire towards the end of it, and then they submerged it to dissipate the blasts in the water.

[Kebab Gud]

The Siege of Atlantis lasted 100 years before they abandoned the city..


A ZPM can never boost anything beyond what its already capable off.. it does not Act as a shield generator or a Hyperdrive as well.. its ONLY! a powersource..

a Hyperdrive can ONLY! go to it MAX potential with a ZPM.. not beyond.. and given that the asgard would never have built a ship without having its engine be capable of running at FULL power its safe to say that en Asgard Ships running between MW and Pegasus are running at full power.. just like the Asgard engines on the Deaddy with a ZPM.. they cant go beyond Full power.. because that would fundamentally alter the laws of physics!

So when a 304 has a ZPM .. its running ist engines on 100% and ! by that logic.. you know.. logic.. a regular 304 without ZPM is NOT running on 100% power..
But 100% of the power it can produce .. true.. but not near what the engines can be run at..

[s09119]

The Siege of Atlantis lasted 100 years before they abandoned the city..


A ZPM can never boost anything beyond what its already capable off.. it does not Act as a shield generator or a Hyperdrive as well.. its ONLY! a powersource..

a Hyperdrive can ONLY! go to it MAX potential with a ZPM.. not beyond.. and given that the asgard would never have built a ship without having its engine be capable of running at FULL power its safe to say that en Asgard Ships running between MW and Pegasus are running at full power.. just like the Asgard engines on the Deaddy with a ZPM.. they cant go beyond Full power.. because that would fundamentally alter the laws of physics!

So when a 304 has a ZPM .. its running ist engines on 100% and ! by that logic.. you know.. logic.. a regular 304 without ZPM is NOT running on 100% power..
But 100% of the power it can produce .. true.. but not near what the engines can be run at..

You do realize that machines can run past 100% right? Ever heard of 150% efficiency, etc.?

[morrismike]

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[2ndgenerationalteran]

atlantis with its enormous size and without enough power to even lift off was predicted to beat the apollo in hyperspace speed. If atlantis had been fully powered with 3 ZPMs it would probably match or dwarf the asgard

[jhkplaya888]

Got to disagree, chichi. While the average Asgard hyperdrive is superior to the Ancients', there is no evidence for you to contend that Atlantis stardrive is slower. Sam Carter actually mentioned that Atlantis should beat the Apollo.

And this does not mean that the Asgard were as advanced or more than the Ancients. The Asgard were like the Japanese and the Ancients were like the Americans. The Japanese could never make something like the Mars Rover and take pictures of Mars, or even make a Boeing 747, but they can make less complex technologies, like cars and TVs, better than Americans.

Likewise, the Asgard were scientifically inferior to the Ancients and could enver make something like the Dakara Superweapon or Project Arcturus, but they could make less complex technologies, like hyperdrives and beam weaponry, with superior quality than the Ancients. Making super-fast hypderdrives is a pathetic achievement compared to the many hyper-advanced devices created by the Ancients, that seem more like magic than anything.

Japan is known for the latest cutting edge technology...Many electronics are more advanced then ones found in america. But america also makes things that are better then japan, i cant think of any examples right now though.

[Seastallion]

As a whole, Asgard hyperdrives have been the fastest ever seen.

Even Atlantis is slow in comparison.

As best as I understand it, the intergalactic hyperdrives operated by the Asgard and Ancients are essentially the same, based on the same principles. The primary difference between them has been a matter of power supply which directly influence how fast the ships can travel in hyperspace. Keep in mind, that most of the Ancients ships were NOT equipped with the IG-Hyperdrive (although I don't really understand why). Atlantis is a rather bad example for two reasons, even though it DOES have an IG-Hyperdrive. 1st, the City/Ship is so large that it has to create an enourmous Hyperspace Corridor to travel through hyperspace which consumes an unusually high amount of energy even for an IG-Hyperdrive. 2nd, the one time we saw Atlantis itself in Hyperspace it was damaged, and aside from that was running on only 1 ZPM. Even so, Col. Caldwell mentioned that Atlantis SHOULD have reached their destination point BEFORE the Daedalus (using Asgard IG-Hyperdrive designs).

Just to be clear, the two factors that determine power consumption from a hyperdrive are the size of the hyperspace window (and subsequent corridor within hyperspace), and the speed which the ship is attempting to travel within hyperspace (the more speed, the more power needed). If you can get by with a smaller hyperspace pocket (the window and corridor), you have more power to apply to speed. Alternately, if you have to generate a large pocket, you have less power to apply to speed.

One additional factor that contributes to hyperdrive working efficiency, is the raw materials used in the engine's construction. Less efficiently constructed hyperdrives will consume more power to achieve similiar results compared to hyperdrives made with superior materials.

Hopefully this will help somebody.

[Kebab Gud]

You do realize that machines can run past 100% right? Ever heard of 150% efficiency, etc.?

yes.. and thats when stuff starts to go to hell..
ever tried stepping up the voltage on your CPU?

[thekillman]

thats how you can push hyperengines. funny thing is, deadalus+ZPM could take almost a day off of 4 days travel through pushing. but it has been mentioned many times, that pushing can only go so far before stuff gets damaged. but over such a massive distance, even a slight pushing takes off hours.

besides, using our current knowledge, asgard hyperdrives own in every single corner.
any ancient hyperdrive we have seen thus far gets badly owned.
however, when talking about ancient hyperdrives, it seemed almost as if they took away
a few components and modded some stuff, to make it interstellar, wheras tinkering it a bit would make it intergalactic again. it seemed that way, as it was talked about.
annother odd thing was tria. i mean, it was halfways, yet with its speed, it would only have travelled 10,000 lightyears, not 1.6 million. so actually, its hyperdrive made it quite far.

cityships have good hyperdrives, though we dont know how good. yes, they shouldve beaten apollo. but apollo is underpowered as we know, thus +ZPM would allow the apollo to beat atlantis. and besides, we dont know apollo's speed, and time of entering hyperspace. couse if i were apollo, i'd arrive after atlantis, to make sure its there, or go search for atlantis

[XFire]

You can't have a machine that operates over 150% efficiency as it breaks the second law of thermodynamics, as the machine would be creating energy from nowhere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_efficiency

[puddle_jumper5]

ancient hyperdrive is faster

remember the atlantis stardrive (just a big hyperdrive, sam as on arour class)

well that hyperdrive was faster and could beat the apollo (with the best asguard tech) in first strike

[EternalAlteran]

Yes, but our ships are underpowered. An Asgard ship with Asgard powersource can traverse galaxies in minutes. They can travel to another galaxy while towing the Prometheus under an hour. The Asgard seriously beat the Ancient hyperdrive. If the Apollo had a ZPM they were quicker.

By the way the Asgard hyperdrive powered by their own powersource (neutrino ion generators) are much quicker than an Asgard hyperdrive with a ZPM. (The Asgard are shown to travel millions of lightyears in minutes, while the Daedalus with ZPM traveled three million lightyears in four days. ) Does this mean the Asgard power source is better than a ZPM?

[Kebab Gud]

Yes, but our ships are underpowered. An Asgard ship with Asgard powersource can traverse galaxies in minutes. They can travel to another galaxy while towing the Prometheus under an hour. The Asgard seriously beat the Ancient hyperdrive. If the Apollo had a ZPM they were quicker.

By the way the Asgard hyperdrive powered by their own powersource (neutrino ion generators) are much quicker than an Asgard hyperdrive with a ZPM. (The Asgard are shown to travel millions of lightyears in minutes, while the Daedalus with ZPM traveled three million lightyears in four days. ) Does this mean the Asgard power source is better than a ZPM?

the Asgard have NEVER gone between Galaxies in seconds..