P-90 or AA-12 when head to head with Wraith

[TheGreatLordGeorge]

they guy carrying them

[P-90_177]

If it works, who cares?

well i'm sure the poor guys who have to lug it round for miles upon miles.

Seems to me it is best suited as an urban combat weapon only.....like most shotguns.

[Major Tyler]

well i'm sure the poor guys who have to lug it round for miles upon miles.

Clearly the weapon is capable of being properly utilized by military personnel.

[SaberBlade]

I can't really say that it would be great carrying a extra drums for it. It could be best used for gate protection, with F.R.E.D or even a MALP carrying extra ammunition. The FRAG-12 rounds could make it perfect for holding the gate against Wraith soldiers and Dart's if a team was defending the gate from incoming ships or troops, or if they are attaced while leaving the planet. Since Dart's would try to get close so they can beam up people, it would give the AA-12 a bit more destructive power as I think there could be better weapons to take Dart's down from a distance.

[Argosy]

LOL, if you had K-Naq rounds you'd probably blow yourself up too.

I aint talking about replacing the black power that propels the round silly…I’m just suggesting replacing one type of explosive for another.

If it cannot survive being fired from a conventional firearm I don’t know how you expect your K-Naq round to be fired so violently out of a railgun lol.

With a range of 175 meters I think you could stay out of the blast radius.

And as far as the weight goes…I can only imagine how much one of those triple barreled shotguns native to Pegasus weighs.

[P-90_177]

Clearly the weapon is capable of being properly utilized by military personnel.

Yes but I doubt that it would ever be stadard issue for anywhere. It looks like it would be very heavy and it's far too bulky. Shotguns are used in close quarters. Such as attacking a guarded building........BUT heavy and bulky is the last thing you want in that situation.

[Argosy]

All this talk of the weight is odd considering that a simple google search would inform any one that the weight of the weapon is:

“With an 18-inch barrel, the AA-12 weighs 10.5 pounds; the 13-inch barrel cuts a half pound off that weight.”

That puts it in the same ballpark as many SAW’s (Squad Automatic Weapon) in terms of weight like the M249, which weighs 6.88 kg (15.16 lb) empty 10.02 kg (22.08 lb) loaded.

So what’s the big deal? We got to see Teyla wield a SAW in the episode “Duet” without much hassle & she’s a 5’4” pixie.

[Major Tyler]

I aint talking about replacing the black power that propels the round silly…I’m just suggesting replacing one type of explosive for another.

I wasn't suggesting that were suggesting that, I'm just saying that when the grenade hit the target the shockwave from the explosion would likely hit the person who fired it, even from a distance of 175 meters.

If it cannot survive being fired from a conventional firearm I don’t know how you expect your K-Naq round to be fired so violently out of a railgun lol.

Rail rounds are magnetically propelled, so there is no explosion or "violence" utilized to fire them.

Yes but I doubt that it would ever be stadard issue for anywhere. It looks like it would be very heavy and it's far too bulky. Shotguns are used in close quarters. Such as attacking a guarded building........BUT heavy and bulky is the last thing you want in that situation.

I'm sure trained military personnel could handle a 10-pound gun with almost no recoil. Probably a cake-walk compared to handling a SAW.

[Daryl Froggy]

Me, personally, I'd take whatever that I knew or thought would work against a life sucking alien that is incredibly difficult to stop... all grenade rounds with the AA-12 should be fun... if not fairly heavy to carry. How much does it actually weigh anyway?

[Argosy]

Rail rounds are magnetically propelled, so there is no explosion or "violence" utilized to fire them.

Is it at all possible that your are getting railguns confused with coil/gauss/quench guns? Rail guns use a staggering amount of electrical current that courses through the armature/round to achieving forward momentum via Lorentz force…while that means that it is propelled by an electromagnetic field it also means that producing this electromagnetic field is quite violently with respect to the round unlike a coilgun & much more violent than a firearm.

As far as fratricide/suicide is concerned I never said it had to be a Kiloton explosion or anything of the like. If it just yielded an explosion that was 10 fold of the conventional FRAG-12 grenade then that would be an improvement on the capabilities of the weapon system in the SG-verse.

It’s not as if we don’t have things like airburst grenade rounds with fuses set via laser rangefinders for safety in our real world arsenal so it really is not that much of a stretch.

I’m not trying to be antagonistic I’m just trying to find ways to enhance the weapon for the SG-verse is all, and your K-Naq round is a perfect fit.

[P-90_177]

All this talk of the weight is odd considering that a simple google search would inform any one that the weight of the weapon is:

“With an 18-inch barrel, the AA-12 weighs 10.5 pounds; the 13-inch barrel cuts a half pound off that weight.”

That puts it in the same ballpark as many SAW’s (Squad Automatic Weapon) in terms of weight like the M249, which weighs 6.88 kg (15.16 lb) empty 10.02 kg (22.08 lb) loaded.

So what’s the big deal? We got to see Teyla wield a SAW in the episode “Duet” without much hassle & she’s a 5’4” pixie.

hmmmm. i must admit that's surprising light. But I maintain that it is way too bulky for the task it was built for.

[Ouroboros]

This is more of a specialist weapon than something you'd want to issue to everybody. As has been noted it's quite bulky and unless you've got nothing but those grenade rounds it's still going to have the range limitations of any other ordinary shotgun.

It would be great to have in one of those typical "lets sneak into the Wraith hive" type situations though. A couple of those coming around a corner are going to be a real bad day for anyone there. I still don't think it would work well as a standard weapon though. A 32 round drum of 12 guage shotgun shells isn't something you can just slip into a pocket. For a standard weapon they should just by carrying m4s or something with some of those treaty illegal ammo types you're not allowed to use here on Earth. Even Ak-47s would work. They have them everywhere else, why not the pegasus galaxy.

[Lord batchi ball]

That weapon is awesome!!!

That would totally destroy anything it hit.

I actually laughed when I saw that, because it is so sweet.

[tauriprivatesoldier]

Normally, when a man is hit by a single 5.56mm round from a M16, he stays dead. Since we're talking about a Wraith here, the M14 is proven technology. A single round from a M14 can actually tear off an entire arm.

[Aquarian]

The AA-12 is a nice weapon. But ill suited to the type of missions SG teams carry out. Well, most of them anyway. If they were using them at a permanent defencive position, or on a specialty mission where the extra bulk was deemed necessary, then sure.

But the P-90 is, while not the best choice, a good choice to have against an enemy. Someone earlier suggested an AK-47 and that would be a very good idea. They are much easier to care for than an M16, and they don't jam as easily and they can take more abuse than an M16.

But personally if I was going up against a Wraith I would not choose a P-90... or the AA-12. Time and time again it has been shown that bullets only slow them down unless you put enough into them. I think a good addition to an off-world team would be a Gurkha Khukuri. Just shoot the thing to down it and then finish it off the old fashioned way. Gurkhas are also good general purpose tools and could be used for numerous other applications. And it would be better in close quarters than a gun or those dinky little knives they carry.