Pea shooters against Replicators - Outcast

[peragrin]

Yes its weird how we have ships but no hand held weapons byt why are you always so damn condescending?

It is just how I come across. I generally don't mean too.

No race has handheld combat assault weapons that work like we do. P-90's, MP7's are basically urban close quarter weapons. A staff weapon doesn't work so well in such a confined space. It is also why we win so often. Our teams take cover and can carefully aim their weapons. the other side basically can't really take cover just stand their and get shot while they try to shoot.

An energy weapon for SGC personnel could be no larger than a p-90 with rapid fire abilities. Ronan's gun is useful but isn't rapid fire.

[Durgia]

Most guns favored by the SG people have high rates of fire. Extremely high compared to any energy weapon we have seen except possibly the Anubis Super Soldier weapons.

I do not know exactly but most of their weapons seem to kick out greater than 500 RPM (rounds per minute). They also have very high accuracy.

Ronans gun is a great side arm. It seems to be capable of firing about the same number of shots per minute as one of our side arms, with more kick and a stun setting.

What we need is a rifle version of that.

Also remember that cost is a factor. They spend multi billions on those fancy ships, fire arms are incredibly cheap to produce so instead of spending another billion refitting all their troops with energy guns they build more 304s.

[umopapisdn]

Energy weapons are expensive and all of the other reasons that have been stated above, also energy weapons are completely ineffective against replicators, so why use them. Though all conventional weapons are also useless.

[s09119]

Zats are nearly useless.

Um... what?

[JSPuddlejumper]

Energy weapons are dirt cheap to make (virtually anything else as well), use the Asgard replication device.

The Odyssey has a ZPM, to make 1 energy weapon the 'cost' of power would be so small, probably need to make 1,000 Trillion hand held weapons before the ZPM drains.

Ronon's gun would be excellent. Far better would be Super solider weapon. And better would be a hand held version of the Asgard beam (slicing away anythiing, including replicators and Super soliders, personal shields, nothing is going to withstand that much concentrated raw fire power).

Zats are useless in combat, very limited range, first shot stuns.

Energy weapons would do more damage or way more damage to Wraith, personal shields and possibly Replicators.

[jonos101]

Energy weapons are dirt cheap to make (virtually anything else as well), use the Asgard replication device.

The Odyssey has a ZPM, to make 1 energy weapon the 'cost' of power would be so small, probably need to make 1,000 Trillion hand held weapons before the ZPM drains.

Ronon's gun would be excellent. Far better would be Super solider weapon. And better would be a hand held version of the Asgard beam (slicing away anythiing, including replicators and Super soliders, personal shields, nothing is going to withstand that much concentrated raw fire power).

Zats are useless in combat, very limited range, first shot stuns.

Energy weapons would do more damage or way more damage to Wraith, personal shields and possibly Replicators.

Do we watch the same show??? just coz it stuns dosent mean its useless in combat. also the show just wouldnt be the same if we didnt use P90's, MP7's, G36's. ect

[SoulReaver]

Where was the fire power John was talking about?

They use pathetic P90's and that ridiculous sidearm against the Replicator in Outcast.

Powerful energy weapons anyone??

Ridiculous to think that all this time they can't come with an energy based fire arm.

there were far worse inconsistencies than that

like for example how were humans able to create a replicator that is resistant to the Anti-Replicator-Weapon (which afaik is an Ancient weapon)


even the MW replicators couldn't do that - they could only modify themselves to adapt to one given "frequency" at a time - yet the MW replicators also knew how the ARW worked, way better than humans do (once Replicarter had downloaded the specs)

[Wraith_Boy]

Personally I think the fact that we see 6 guys or whatever going in for a rep in the first place. They go in teams of 2. Bates takes the sneaky coniving scientist with him. Not even thinking of the possibility that when his concentration was elsewhere, this guy might either go on the run, or give him a smack & run off to meet his creation.

If that had in any way been real, we'd have seen helicopters with their chain guns, tanks, Hummers with the .50 cal's etc.

The soldiers would have been using far heavier weapons.

Not to mention they could have removed everyone from the vicinity, then had Apollo beam down a warhead & obliterate the surrounding area.

Easily cover it up as a gas explosion or whatever!

[peragrin]

If that had in any way been real, we'd have seen helicopters with their chain guns, tanks, Hummers with the .50 cal's etc.

The soldiers would have been using far heavier weapons.

Not to mention they could have removed everyone from the vicinity, then had Apollo beam down a warhead & obliterate the surrounding area.

Easily cover it up as a gas explosion or whatever!

a large bomb doesn't cut it. you can't guarantee a kill. No a dedicated sweep team is needed. But I agree that team should have had helicopter assistance armed with a nice big chain gun. also one of those AW's would have been useful.

[jhkplaya888]

yes, the asgard should of invented some sort of energy weapon i mean shesh, even though they cant use it now because of cloning there was a time when they had the strength. and even if they didnt we have the knowledge why not make our own...

[fugiman]

I think the reason that we don't make an energy weapon is that Kinetic Weapons have been better in the past they have several major advantages over energy weapons, stealth, full auto, able to hurt replicators, etc...


So why stop using something that is easy to use and easy to make and has worked better then energy weapons

Also why spend time researching energy weapons instead of other tech from the Asgard?

[Ouroboros]

While there certainly were better choices (Shepard's shotgun was a pretty good call), MP-7 certainly wasn't the worst for that environment and against that particular enemy. Not to mention that we have not yet seen any hole-punching energy weapons sufficiently small for maneuvering in close quarters (zats and Wraith stunners don't count, for obvious reasons).

Against a biological enemy it probably would have been a passable, if not ideal choice yes. Against a replicator though it was ridiculous. How much obvious physical damage to some guy made out of metal is a bullet that small going to do exactly?

They almost would need to treat him like more of small vehicle than a human. You can't just poke a few small holes in him or bust up his internal organs and expect him to go down like a living thing. You've pretty much got to blow him completely apart. Even a vehicle can be knocked out our destroyed by one good hit to the right location though so he's actually something even worse.

[jhkplaya888]

Against a biological enemy it probably would have been a passable, if not ideal choice yes. Against a replicator though it was ridiculous. How much obvious physical damage to some guy made out of metal is a bullet that small going to do exactly?

They almost would need to treat him like more of small vehicle than a human. You can't just poke a few small holes in him or bust up his internal organs and expect him to go down like a living thing. You've pretty much got to blow him completely apart. Even a vehicle can be knocked out our destroyed by one good hit to the right location though so he's actually something even worse.

yes, rocket launchers and grenade launchers would of been better weapon choices

[fugiman]

yes, rocket launchers and grenade launchers would of been better weapon choices

Not in a civilian area, their could have been huge collateral damage so it would have been a horrible idea also it would have attracted not only local authorities but the average joe to the scene. Something the SGC, IOA, and the NID would not have wanted.

So using what they did was a decent choice but nothing what you are recommending thats to much and cause to much noise

[Shadow Da Milky Way Replicator]

We should have weapons like the ones in Mass Effect
MAC- Mass Acceleration Cannon.