Why is there no tanks in SG?

[EnterTheWormhole]

A light armored vehcile for SG teams? Hmmm...

I'd recommend a tracked vehicle about the size of, say, a Wiesel 2 (it has to be thin enough to get through the gate at SGC, of course.) I wouldn't say the Wiesel itself, though, given the need for stronger armor. (Though, as it has already been said, if we have enough naquadah and trinium...).

I'd suggest different variants of the vehicle for different missions. Among them must be, IMHO, an APC and an ambulance. The APC would carry no more than 4-5 passengers, as this is the normal size of an average SG team, and the Wiesel 2 APC carries about this many passengers (maybe it carries one more). The ambulance would have an interior, I presume, much like the Wiesel 2 ambulance (maybe a bit more high-tech given the technology the SGC has acquired over the years.)

If it is feasible, a RCWS-30 remote weapons mount might prove ideal to be mounted on the top, as it has weaponry for dealing with infantry (7.62mm MG), heavier targets (30mm cannon), plus two missiles/rockets (which will probably be naquadah-enhanced.)

Though, if a vehicle the size of an M113 can fit through the ranp & gate at the SGC, I'd prefer that size, as a bigger vehicle can have, say, more stuff. (Though I wouldn't suggest giving the SG teams M113s)

A naquadah generator would probably prove more than enough to power the vehicle, and a shield generator should be added. Perhaps Asgard beaming technology could be added to the ambulance (to beam a wounded SG team member out of a hostile area), though you then risk the chance of said Asgard tech falling into enemy hands if the ambulance is captured.

Last but not least, the vehicle should have an interior gate-dialing device so that neither crew nor SG team need dismount in order to dial home (or wherever they are going.)

I'll admit that my knowledge on Stargate tech is not that great, but I do no a thing or two about military hardware.

[V-MAN]

Adding a TOW missile would take down those Death Gliders[/IMG]

No it wouldn't, trying to shoot down a fast moving aerial target with a TOW missile mounted on a HMMWV is a stupid idea. TOWs are ment to be fired at armoured vehicles.

I would love to see this one:

Some Jaffa patrol working for Baal, walking through the woods.

They encounter SG-1 and pin them down, calling for backup. More Jaffa patrols show up.

SG-1 calls for backup (they have a team guarding the gate)!

A few minutes later a tank comes out of the woods and starts blowing up Jaffa! Of course, they'll shoot back, but they're out-gunned. And of course, the tank is being supported by no less than two ground teams.



Sadly, were this to happen, the baddies would respond in kind and steal the idea, likely producing a tank that has shields!

A heavy battle tank wouldn't fit through the stargate it's too wide. Maybe an APC like the Warrior IFV might, it does in the OFP stargate mod all be it with a lot of scraping lol. A HMMWV would definatly.

Although I wouldn't mind seeing the panther in Stargate

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[Hooperman1990]

In SG1 im sure a few challenger II's would have gone down well in the one where Dr. Fraisier dies (anyone remember the episode name?) However the Alkesh's would have been a problem.

[Exiled Master]

Real answer: budget concerns
SG answer: It would be hard to move a tank through the SGC hallways.

[V-MAN]

Real answer: budget concerns
SG answer: It would be hard to move a tank through the SGC hallways.

It would require a whole new command base built around the stargate with an enormous room for the gate to sit in, then there's the trouble of fitting armoured vehicles through the gate. Some APCs might manage it but MBTs no way.

[Milleniumlance]

answer is ......mobile suits!!!!!!!!
POWER ARMOR....

[Avatar28]

Tanks would be good if really overkill. Even the heavier staff cannons mounted on gliders and tripods would not be able to effectively stop it. Look at the size of the blasts from those staff cannons. Tanks are designed to withstand significantly more abuse than that.

All of that being said, though, I really don't think a tank fits with the MO of the SGC. Plus, as noted, except for special rare occasions there is not much need for it since jaffa don't really use armored vehicles or heavy fortifications. On the occasions where there IS that need, it can often be served just as well with missiles fired throught he gate from the SGC. Even a much lighter vehicle, such as a humvee armored with the plate they developed for body armor against staff blasts, would be more than sufficient for dealing with the types of things we typically encounter going through the gate.

However ultra light vehicles such as bikes and ATVs especially would be EXTREMELY useful to the SGC in the types of roles they typically take. With an ATV you could also mount a .50 cal machine gun to the back for some heavier firepower and could tow a trailer besides. Sure, you could use a FRED but they're slow. A trailer pulled behind an ATV would likely let you get around much faster than that.

[hotshotalpha1]

Tanks would be good if really overkill. Even the heavier staff cannons mounted on gliders and tripods would not be able to effectively stop it. Look at the size of the blasts from those staff cannons. Tanks are designed to withstand significantly more abuse than that.

All of that being said, though, I really don't think a tank fits with the MO of the SGC. Plus, as noted, except for special rare occasions there is not much need for it since jaffa don't really use armored vehicles or heavy fortifications. On the occasions where there IS that need, it can often be served just as well with missiles fired throught he gate from the SGC. Even a much lighter vehicle, such as a humvee armored with the plate they developed for body armor against staff blasts, would be more than sufficient for dealing with the types of things we typically encounter going through the gate.

However ultra light vehicles such as bikes and ATVs especially would be EXTREMELY useful to the SGC in the types of roles they typically take. With an ATV you could also mount a .50 cal machine gun to the back for some heavier firepower and could tow a trailer besides. Sure, you could use a FRED but they're slow. A trailer pulled behind an ATV would likely let you get around much faster than that.

For the light 'tanks' the british paras use something called a Supercat Atv to transport the heavy weapons . It can carry 2 7.62mm GPMGs or a 81mm mortar or a javilin missile system . It can travel at about 130KPH on road, and is fully amphibous.Without the weapons it can carry about 10 infantry.Its 3.4m long and 2.1m wide.I also believe that the paras and marines are now using a smaller platform called the roush , that weight about 800kg. That could easily carry a heavy weapon .Also a land rover or humvee could easily tow the 105mm light gun . This is a light artillery system that could easily fit through the gate. Also landrovers, humvees and 4 ton trucks could all be used as heavy weapon carryiers.A landie will fit at least 2 of GPMG, 50 call, 81mm mortar, javalin , stinger, 30mm cannon and with enimies such as the ori on the ground in our galaxy , the SGC needs some thing more than just some infantry to defeat them without huge casulites.

To house the new armour would be easy enough, you get a deserted planet with a gate. Add an iris, command centre and some sheds to house the vehicles and there you are.

[hotshotalpha1]

I wouldn't be so quick on the draw there FAII.....back in the '80s there was an exercise in Germany between a US army unit with M-1s and a Canadian unit using Leopard-1 tanks, which resulted in total defeat for the Canucks..the poor buggers nicknamed it the "Whispering Death" afterwards. This was because the M-1 is fast (>50mph when the engine governor is removed....from what I've heard, usually one of the first things a crew does in the field), has good acceleration and is so quiet thanks to its turbine engine, that it couldn't be heard at ranges beyond 200yards....this from a tank that using the latest guided munitions can also engage targets from >8km awayhttp://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Ra..._Tank_999.html.

I would bet that it is only for budgetary reasons that neither show has made use of armored vehicles as of yet...it has got to be painfully expensive renting a tank for even a few hours of filming...and that's if there are even vehicles available to rent

I might be wrong but isn't the furthest confirmed kill by a tank on a tank, held by the Challenger 2 with something like 3210m in iraq. just thought i'd say if your on the subject of tank rivialry. O ye, the tanks cannot fire guided munitions out to 8 km. The russians are the only country to try this apart from the (165mm gun/ missile on the sheriden) and their max range was 3500m . Heavy mortars or Howizers could and can lauch guided munition, because they can fire indirectly, such as the swedish AMOS - 8.4Km guided, and the excalibur guided munition- 50 km guided.Also anyone with infa-red goggles can see a M-1 from up to 1000m

[Avatar28]

Well if you wanna just talk about big guns, let's talk about the Iowa Class battleships, shall we? :-)



Note the concussive effects of the blast on the water.

[Hong3103]

SGC/Cheyenne Mountain Complex is bit cramped for any kind of vehicles... and it would cost MGM money to operate and maintain these vehicles for use in production.

If the Humvees were upgraded with a naquadah power generator in place of a diesel engine, energy absorant armor plating or shields, and energy based weapons, a cloaking field, we definelty got something to work with but will it fit throught the Stargate. Maybe a supped-up meaner PJ...

The perfect vehicle would the be one the Marine Corps already has and uses with great effectiveness, the LAV-25.

It is smaller than the Stryker (which is a death trap) and has a 25mm chain gun in its turret and can mount two TOW missles beside it. There are air defense varriants as well as mortar, ambulance, command, recovery. You name it and the LAV-25 can do it. Another big plus is since it is a Marine Corps vehicle it is totally amphibious. It can go 65 miles an hour over land and carry 9 fully equipped infantry Marines in the back. I think it would be the best solution seeing as how the Marine Corps is the most involved service in the SG program next to the Air Force and it is a vehicle they already have at there disposal. On a side note I am a US Marine infantryman and I have seen more than a handful of strikers on the side of the road in flames. We got to calling them 8 wheel coffins they got blown up so much.

Aren't the US marines currently holding 8 or 9 men on completely unfounded charges and who now have less rights than our sworn enemies, the terrorist who are being held?
just a heads up, the USMC is not perfect.

True, the Marine Corp isn't perfect but neither is the Army. When it comes to Light Infantry tactics we've got it down cold. Its the Marine Corp's meat and potatoes and has been since day one and now the Army is doing the same thing. Their Stryker brigades are doing what Marine Corp infantry normally train for. I'm not saying what the Army is doing is wrong or bad. They follow a different doctrine. Its just that the Corp has been training for that kind of combat for a long time and you shouldn't just discount it. On top of that they've only mentioned Air Force and Marine SG teams.

SGC's 4-man teams operate similar to special forces units they use speed and stealth to accomplish their missions. Tanks would defeat that purpose. I agree that a dune-buggy would help them out quite a bit. But having the option to use some sort of heavy weapons platforms would help out in those really hairy situations... or a supped up PJ.

this may be really really stupid but could it be because
THERE IN THE AIRFORCE

that generally specialises in the "Air"
and uve seen a minitank in that episode of sg1 when shar'e dies

Just because the Air Force runs SGC doesn't mean that the tanks idea hasn't come across Gen.Hammond/O'Neill/Landry's desk. For all we know there are SG teams consisting of Army Special Forces and Navy SEALS. Tanks just gets in the way of how SGC operates. Light, quick, silent, and deadly.

[ACharmedAsgard]

I think the reason there is no tanks is because they don't really fit into the "Sci Fi" genre, the enemies don't really have their own version of tanks (That we have seen yet) and also because it would make Earth look too primitive.

Energy Weapons and other advanced technology still are seen as 'better' for the majority of sci fi viewers to see in sci fi programmes then standard earth weaponry.

I also agree with the statement about them not fitting through the gate or the SGC

Just my Opinion

[ray245]

Yah right. What about Halo? There's plently of tanks. Also star wars has walkers...since they fit the role of tanks. What about Mechs? There are plently of tanks and armored vehicles in sci-fi. Having tanks are not primitive, just the fact that we did not see ground combat in most sci-fi. Furthermore, Star trek already sucks at ground combat. How often have we see their troops being killed? Those red shirts who can't even shot on the target at short range.

You still need the use of tanks in ground combat...tanks can easily roll over the jaffas with its armor protecting it. The jaffa aren't the best army just becasue they use energy weapons.

[Exiled Master]

Tanks would be good if really overkill. Even the heavier staff cannons mounted on gliders and tripods would not be able to effectively stop it. Look at the size of the blasts from those staff cannons. Tanks are designed to withstand significantly more abuse than that.

All of that being said, though, I really don't think a tank fits with the MO of the SGC. Plus, as noted, except for special rare occasions there is not much need for it since jaffa don't really use armored vehicles or heavy fortifications. On the occasions where there IS that need, it can often be served just as well with missiles fired throught he gate from the SGC. Even a much lighter vehicle, such as a humvee armored with the plate they developed for body armor against staff blasts, would be more than sufficient for dealing with the types of things we typically encounter going through the gate.

However ultra light vehicles such as bikes and ATVs especially would be EXTREMELY useful to the SGC in the types of roles they typically take. With an ATV you could also mount a .50 cal machine gun to the back for some heavier firepower and could tow a trailer besides. Sure, you could use a FRED but they're slow. A trailer pulled behind an ATV would likely let you get around much faster than that.

Why not put a rack of rockets on that trailer? Or put those rockets on a humvee? The SGC needs some mobile artillery, something that isn't launched through the gate.

[Hong3103]

Yah right. What about Halo? There's plently of tanks. Also star wars has walkers...since they fit the role of tanks. What about Mechs? There are plently of tanks and armored vehicles in sci-fi. Having tanks are not primitive, just the fact that we did not see ground combat in most sci-fi. Furthermore, Star trek already sucks at ground combat. How often have we see their troops being killed? Those red shirts who can't even shot on the target at short range.

You still need the use of tanks in ground combat...tanks can easily roll over the jaffas with its armor protecting it. The jaffa aren't the best army just becasue they use energy weapons.

Halo & Star Wars have one thing in common. A standing regular army(that generally consists of 1 or more divisions). SGC doesn't have a large standing army. The SGC has what... 15, 20, 25. If you go with standard number of people per team that stands somewhere around 100 special forces trained people. That's about the size of a company. Throw in the rest of the support personnel that are miltary and basically trained to use weapons and you probably have a regiment or brigade of military personnel at most. A brigade is around 4000 people.

You're right about the Jaffa not being the best army because of their weaponry. They mainly fought other Jaffas, policing their "God's" worlds, or putting down human rebellions. Humans that were relatively unarmed and had no training. So they had it easy till they encountered SG-1 but it didn't help that the script kept saying that SG-1 was suppose to win either.